Coach Who should be our next coach?

[Lore]

Spoiler: Timeline and reported candidates

15/8 Board toppled (reportedly will pursue Clarkson)
19/8 Alastair Clarkson to join North
21/8 Ben Rutten

Ben Rutten

Age

41

Ht

190cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.4

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

7.0

4star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

10.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.0

3star

sacked
22/8 Coach selection sub-committee to be established to find a replacement
26/8 Committee members announced: Josh Mahoney

Josh Mahoney

Age

46

Ht

180cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

(GM-Footy, chair), Dorothy Hisgrove (Board member), Andrew Thorburn, Simone McKinnis, Robert Walls, Jordan Lewis

Jordan Lewis

Age

38

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

11.5

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.7

4star

MG

310.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

15.0

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.8

5star

7/9 James Hird, Dean Solomon

Dean Solomon

Age

44

Ht

189cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

5.5

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

17.6

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

2.8

5star

, Brendon Lade

Brendon Lade

Age

48

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.0

3star

HO

15.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.4

4star

HO

9.6

5star

, Adem Yze

Adem Yze

Age

47

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.2

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

0.6

1star

T

0.6

3star

interviewed at EY
13/9 Daniel Giansiracusa

Daniel Giansiracusa

Age

42

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.6

4star

K

11.0

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.0

4star

reportedly interviewed
17/9 Don Pyke “not pursuing that at this stage”
21/9 Brad Scott contacted by the club but won’t make a decision on whether to pursue the role until after the Grand Final
21/9 Adem Yze

Adem Yze

Age

47

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.2

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

0.6

1star

T

0.6

3star

has second interview and tours the training facilities at Tullamarine
22/9 Blake Caracella

Blake Caracella

Age

47

Ht

186cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.6

3star

will put his hat in the ring
27/9 Brendon Lade

Brendon Lade

Age

48

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.0

3star

HO

15.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.4

4star

HO

9.6

5star

appointed as assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs, out of the running for Essendon job
28/9 Brad Scott to be interviewed on Thursday
29/9

 

[fairbump_playon]

It was almost as if the Tigers knew? You would have thought he was the winning coach.

Good on him. Does he get 2 wages next year now?

Anyone else sensing that far from being orchestrated by Sheedy, the board coup was all driven by secret Richmond influence?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Could there be more than one appointment made here? Hird's people skills and knowledge of Essendon used to support new senior coach in a different role?

Can you imagine this. “Congrats you got the job!

Oh by the way James Hird is your new assistant, that totally won’t make your position less stable at all. Believe us.”

 

[Lore]

Can you imagine this. “Congrats you got the job!

Oh by the way James Hird is your new assistant, that totally won’t make your position less stable at all. Believe us.”

I’m trying to figure out what the heck a “split role” looks like and

Stupid twitter accounts aside you can basically have a director of coaching and/or a senior assistant to support a senior coach, and you can have line coaches and strategists and statisticians. But they’re all support roles, idk how you split it down further than that. Handover concept clearly not a good thing (not at Essendon anyway). Splitting the GM-Footy into Ops and Performance clearly not a good thing.

Idk why the club feels this incessant need to invent more roles all the time. It’s not like we have a bigger budget than any of the other clubs, so having more roles means less money for the rest, or cutting from somewhere else, neither of which feel like a good idea.

That said: Are there any sports that have two in that role? I know some sports have a team manager, but that’s effectively analogous to a coach, you don’t have both. But I’m not super across a lot of other sports so maybe there’s one somewhere that has multiple senior coach type roles

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I’m trying to figure out what the heck a “split role” looks like and

Stupid twitter accounts aside you can basically have a director of coaching and/or a senior assistant to support a senior coach, and you can have line coaches and strategists and statisticians. But they’re all support roles, idk how you split it down further than that. Handover concept clearly not a good thing (not at Essendon anyway). Splitting the GM-Footy into Ops and Performance clearly not a good thing.

Idk why the club feels this incessant need to invent more roles all the time. It’s not like we have a bigger budget than any of the other clubs, so having more roles means less money for the rest, or cutting from somewhere else, neither of which feel like a good idea.

That said: Are there any sports that have two in that role? I know some sports have a team manager, but that’s effectively analogous to a coach, you don’t have both. But I’m not super across a lot of other sports so maybe there’s one somewhere that has multiple senior coach type roles

There’s actually a lot of merit in splitting the GM footy role and a lot of clubs would have a similar setup in all but name.

There is a LOT of admin that needs to be done in a footy dept, and you want the right kind of anally retentive types doing it, and it doesn’t have a hell of a lot to do with being a good footy manager who needs to know the game, judge coaches, game plans, players, recruiting and everything else.

 

[ant555]

There’s actually a lot of merit in splitting the GM footy role and a lot of clubs would have a similar setup in all but name.

There is a LOT of admin that needs to be done in a footy dept, and you want the right kind of anally retentive types doing it, and it doesn’t have a hell of a lot to do with being a good footy manager who needs to know the game, judge coaches, game plans, players, recruiting and everything else.

As you say a few clubs have done it now. Melbourne have Alan Richardson as GM of football performance and Tim Lamb as list manager covering that side of things.

 

[Lore]

There’s actually a lot of merit in splitting the GM footy role and a lot of clubs would have a similar setup in all but name.

There is a LOT of admin that needs to be done in a footy dept, and you want the right kind of anally retentive types doing it, and it doesn’t have a hell of a lot to do with being a good footy manager who needs to know the game, judge coaches, game plans, players, recruiting and everything else.

Was an oblique reference to the saga and blurry lines of authority.

Found a wiki article about managers in European/British soccer and it talks about them doing all the senior coach stuff, but also the gm-footy stuff and the list managing and transfers stuff.

As a sport though their squad is way smaller and their transfer systems don’t involve draft picks so it’s probably a little more straight forward for one person to do.

But that said I guess our GM-Footy role is split with Mahoney and Dodoro

And then of course we have 5 teams, not 1.

 

[Maxabillions]

And a thumping from a bottom 4 side

Almost as if young sides are inconsistent

 

[DERO]

3 votes Mr Mojo Risin
2 votes Doss
1 vote the carpark guy who was banned.

 

[Albertross]

3 votes Mr Mojo Risin
2 votes Doss
1 vote the carpark guy who was banned.

4 posts in!!! Is that some kind of record?

 

[yodellinhank]

I thought it was hysteria too but every day that passes, more and more things happen that suggest this is and always has been a forgone conclusion

When you get that feelin', better start believin

 

[yodellinhank]

This last survey question will be a bit of fun:

In 25 words or less, tell us what moment in our 150th year was the most memorable for you?

Every day I drink a little more, and try to forget.

 

[sameolds33]

Can you imagine this. “Congrats you got the job!

Oh by the way James Hird is your new assistant, that totally won’t make your position less stable at all. Believe us.”

If Hird's not appointed as senior coach now he never will be. Any appointment of Hird to another role will not make the new senior coach's appointment any less tenuous if there's no on-field coaching success.

 

[BrunoV]

So even as an assistant he could not teach us anything but the premiership club wants him.

I thought it was commonly accepted that there are guys who are good assistants.

Bomber got us to defend. Only 3 sides conceded less in 2014.

 

[Doss]

I thought it was commonly accepted that there are guys who are good assistants.

Bomber got us to defend. Only 3 sides conceded less in 2014.

Bomber is the single coach in the past 20 years who had us as a genuinely good defensive side.

The unfortunate trade off was that they just couldn’t score, though.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Bomber is the single coach in the past 20 years who had us as a genuinely good defensive side.

The unfortunate trade off was that they just couldn’t score, though.

Would have been fascinating to see if that might have come in subsequent years.

Third time lucky with a Hird appointment I guess they're hoping.

 

[Mootsy]

I still think that we don't have the list or the synergy right at all, which seems harsh, but the top 8 sides usually have a high percentage of strong bodied, adaptable, natural footy players, and our senior players have been woeful over the last ten years, aside from Merrett and a few others.

Sure bring in a new coach, but we've seen over the last 12 years that it doesn't solve the core problems.

I'm not a fan of Dodoro's recruiting record either. He just can't get the balance right at all, but i think it's been a few other departments that have struggled as well, not just recruitment.

 

[Don Won]

I’ve been firmly against bringing Hird back. But there is part of me that wonders if he could have been a great coach, and it would be great that if in some Parallel universe he got the job.

But then it occurred to me, what if this is the parallel universe? It’s certainly beginning to feel like a parallel universe.

 

[topdon]

I'm on the Hird train. We need our soul back, and no one cares for the club more than James. I think he has that fire in the belly.

At the end of the day, I will back the coach we select (unless its Pyke or Scott... i would lose my s*t). Yze is my #2 preference.

 

[MiguelM]

I still think that we don't have the list or the synergy right at all, which seems harsh, but the top 8 sides usually have a high percentage of strong bodied, adaptable, natural footy players, and our senior players have been woeful over the last ten years, aside from Merrett and a few others.

Sure bring in a new coach, but we've seen over the last 12 years that it doesn't solve the core problems.

I'm not a fan of Dodoro's recruiting record either. He just can't get the balance right at all, but i think it's been a few other departments that have struggled as well, not just recruitment.

Our biggest issue is our forward pressure and lack of a genuine speedy small pressure forward (aka Papley, Bolton type). Losing
Tippa was huge.

With zero forward pressure the ball rebounds so easily which makes our defence look much worse than it probably is.

 

[Doss]

I'm on the Hird train. We need our soul back, and no one cares for the club more than James. I think he has that fire in the belly.

At the end of the day, I will back the coach we select (unless its Pyke or Scott... i would lose my s*t). Yze is my #2 preference.

Can confirm that if you sliced into Hird’s guts and opened him up, you’d find a literal bonfire smouldering away.

 

[ant555]

I thought it was commonly accepted that there are guys who are good assistants.

Bomber got us to defend. Only 3 sides conceded less in 2014.

Yet Bomber said we needed to have a stronger team defense at the end of 2014. Not just about points conceded. Plus we had AA KP defenders then.
My real point was some here where saying he could not do anything over 4 years with us. 2 of those years where as an assistant.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

This has been the funniest thread on my time in BF. Well done everyone!

You missed the whole

I’ve been firmly against bringing Hird back. But there is part of me that wonders if he could have been a great coach, and it would be great that if in some Parallel universe he got the job.

But then it occurred to me, what if this is the parallel universe? It’s certainly beginning to feel like a parallel universe.

 

[84859300]

No, just the one wage. EFC pays him 500K, we give him some new polo shirts & hoodies, plus free off street parking.

I believe we're still contracted to supply Truck with Wallpaper Wednesday content for another 12 months as well

 

[Happyskeret]

This is the one time I don’t want to get Lade. If we get Lade we all get Lade!

 

[faible]

unless its Pyke or Scott... i would lose my s*t

I'm on the Hird train

Well this is… weird.

Hird is clearly the worst of those three options, Scott overachieved with a bog average North list.