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Sam Edmund's latest update on the Collingwood coaching race
“The net has been cast really wide."
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“The net has been cast really wide."
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When was the last time we sacked a coach after 2-3 years? Even Shaw got 4 years and he was very possibly the worst tactician in our clubs history. It’s just not the way our club works.
I thought the same originally. But then I later heard him say McCrae is in the thick of it. I think he may have meant a headline nam like Clarko, Lyon or Pyke. Whoever it is will get plenty of support and time.
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After last 2 weeks no Coach be Excited to Coach us
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Offer Clarko a ten year contract.
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Agree Dave. You’d think the players would be auditioning for their spots but hasn’t looked like that in the last 2 weeks. Very lazy footballers running around at the club and nothing a coach would be too excited about going by exposed form.
I listened to the podcast on that discussion (SEN Crunch Time). They spoke quite a bit about McRae (he was the main focus of the discussion) though that may be in part because Justin Leppitsch was in the discussion and of course he knows McRae quite well. They also spoke quite favourably about our process compared to Carlton’s. They’re going straight for the known names in a very shallow process not too dissimilar to how they ended up with Pagan and Malthouse. We’ve cast the net wide, we’re not go for a name. We have a deep process designed to find the right fit for our needs. They also pointed out that no coach (even Clarko) is good at everything but our process will allow us to know exactly what we need to put around the new coach to give them the best chance of success. We apparently are looking for a long term coach. The conversation goes for about half an hour and the Collingwood specific discussion starts at about 56 minutes into the show, though some of this may have come when they were discussing the Carlton situation prior too because we came up in that conversation too. I’m pretty sure they also reiterated Pickering’s claims that we weren’t interested in Lyon but I listened to a few discussions yesterday so I could be wrong on that.
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No way he would want to Coach us as we going to be a Massive Job for us to be Good Again
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No ‘untried’ coach is saying no to this job if we’re the only one available. There’s 1 opening this off season, no more than 2-3 at any time and only 18 jobs in the country. When your offered, you take your chance cause there’s no guarantee it comes round again..
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I disagree with the view that we are not an attractive club for a coach. The results of the last few weeks were entirely predictable, disappointing yes, but what happens when a coach leaves mid-season, injuries and illness take their toll, the media holds a torch to the club, and the board is held up to scrutiny.
These results are not an indication of what will happen next year. We may still be cellar dwellers in the short term, but things will be different with a new senior coach and able assistants. We’ll have a new high performance coach too (to replace White) and a new list manager.
Until the last couple of years we were also seen as a stable and well-managed club. Wright will help us get back to that. We still have the resources and we’ve hung onto 80k plus members. I will be renewing my membership in October.
So a good coach will see this year for what it is, and it’s not a template for our future.
Plus we fans still have a job to do in season 2021 - barrack hard for whoever it is that will tip Essendon out of the finals!
These results are not an indication of what will happen next year. We may still be cellar dwellers in the short term, but things will be different with a new senior coach and able assistants. We’ll have a new high performance coach too (to replace White) and a new list manager.
Until the last couple of years we were also seen as a stable and well-managed club. Wright will help us get back to that. We still have the resources and we’ve hung onto 80k plus members. I will be renewing my membership in October.
So a good coach will see this year for what it is, and it’s not a template for our future.
Plus we fans still have a job to do in season 2021 - barrack hard for whoever it is that will tip Essendon out of the finals!
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The problem I'm finding with these coaches.. Bolts.. Teague.. NB.. Neeld.. all these types right.. say they were all assistants under Clarko.. it's all ok to believe in Clarko's principles and that re.. but they're probably integrating shit they don't necessarily believe in as well.. so the shit they don't necessarily believe in.. becomes a part of their coaching strategy as well.. so they never actually think through everything in its entirety before they assimilate it.
So they ****en do their team meeting.. and run their ****en drills and shit.. come up with a game plan that's full of shit.. in lots of ways.. it's Clarko.. not them coaching. So they repeat Clarko's philosophies about football and how the game should be played and shit like that.. only to realise.. after a while.. that they haven't got the slightest clue what they're talking about.. and they're actually idiots. The players pick up on it.. and the game goes to shit.
So I would ask the likes of Macrae.. Kingsley.. and these types of blokes.. look re.. are you an idiot.. or not?
If I was interviewing these blokes and I got a sense I was talking to Clarko.. the interview would last another 5 minutes before I showed them the door.
It has to come from 'you' as a coach.. otherwise don't waste my time. That's my philosophy. I'm not saying Macrae Kingsley Yze and these other types are like that.. but if they are.. they will get found out.. and they will not win premierships.
So they ****en do their team meeting.. and run their ****en drills and shit.. come up with a game plan that's full of shit.. in lots of ways.. it's Clarko.. not them coaching. So they repeat Clarko's philosophies about football and how the game should be played and shit like that.. only to realise.. after a while.. that they haven't got the slightest clue what they're talking about.. and they're actually idiots. The players pick up on it.. and the game goes to shit.
So I would ask the likes of Macrae.. Kingsley.. and these types of blokes.. look re.. are you an idiot.. or not?
If I was interviewing these blokes and I got a sense I was talking to Clarko.. the interview would last another 5 minutes before I showed them the door.
It has to come from 'you' as a coach.. otherwise don't waste my time. That's my philosophy. I'm not saying Macrae Kingsley Yze and these other types are like that.. but if they are.. they will get found out.. and they will not win premierships.
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100% accurate.
Take a look at all of Malthouse’s assistants that got senior gigs and let me know which ones lasted more than 2 minutes without doing exposed as idiots.
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I can think of one that lasted way more than 2 minutes while looking like an idiot does that count?
Give me a man who is excited about coaching our club as opposed to those who equivocate or need think time. It's McRae for me.Sam Edmund's latest update on the Collingwood coaching race
“The net has been cast really wide."
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Which Cwood player from any era has succeeded as a coach in VFL / AFL at another club? Can't think of one.
McHale and Kyne were ok for Pies in the pre-industrial era. That's about it.
The club just hasn't had a model other clubs are interested in for decades.
I get the feeling they're being very thorough with coach selection this time to lay the ground for sustained success.
On the other hand the likes of Hardwick, Simpson, Beveridge etc also were assistants under Clarkson. This comes back to strength of your process. If your just looking for a name, then if you can't get a Clarkson or a Malthouse (in the case of Neeld) then you go for one of their highly regarded assistants without proper due diligence. If your process is not about the name then you are going to dig deeper and almost disregard who they assisted for beyond the references and look to their performances, their person, their philosphies. But before this you go into your search with a firm direction of what you need in a coach to take your team forward so your not looking for a name but a coach who matches the qualities and abilities you are looking for. The second option historically seems to have a higher strike rate for success than the first. Based on reports in recent days it seems the second approach is the one we are taking so you would assume if we went with McRae, Kingsley or Graham we would be looking deeper than just who they were assistants too.
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I agree, anyone aspiring to be a senior coach, first time or previous senior experience should be brimming with excitement and passion to get into the drivers seat, otherwise move on..
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This is the Collingwood Football Club.. if you're not genuine.. confident.. and honest.. about being here.. then bugger off.
Can't handle that question.. then why are you here.. are you well scripted.. have you memorised the football coaching manual? Ok.. bugger off.
Love your work Vicky Park . You belief in the club and general approach to football seems to align with mine, and you express your opinions better than I would ever hope to.
Plus you provide some much needed balance to all the Chicken Little posters around these parts.
Keep it up!
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