Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[Worm4]

Desperation.

Collingwood had a down year, whilst Carlton's ladder position was inflated by their double up games against the easy beats.

An aberration, as exemplified by the 2022 and 2023 results, and as we'll see in 2025.

That's why we've beaten Carlton in basically every meaningful game we've played in recent times.

Don't think I will bother going into debate about your player rankings. Can't even have a serious conversation without you taking the piss .

 

[black is White]

Don't think I will bother going into debate about your player rankings. Can't even have a serious conversation without you taking the piss .

Did you enjoy the player ratings in 2022 last game of the year

 

[black is White]

Wrong again mate, Harry's is much bigger.

Mentally that's about right tho

 

[black is White]

No , I was questioning how a player ranked by your colleague as a 15-20 on carltons list is the equivalent of 30-35 on collingwoods given that both sides were pretty much even apart from %. It's not logical in the slightest

To be fair he probably would be we we got a lot of small forward. Jamie Elliot's, Shultz, McCreery, Bobby hill ECT he wouldn't get in above any of them, he'd be as useful as a Ben Crocker for us.

 

[Worm4]

To be fair he probably would be we we got a lot of small forward. Jamie Elliot's, Shultz, McCreery, Bobby hill ECT he wouldn't get in above any of them, he'd be as useful as a Ben Crocker for us.

Good call considering Owies kicked more goals than all those players this season

 

[black is White]

Good call considering Owies kicked more goals than all those players this season

Well two of them missed half season through injury, Bobby Hill admittedly had a unusually bad year and Shultz couldn't fit into the team structure for multiple reasons mostly we had zero cohesion all year. It's literally a one off year let's see if owies ever scores more than any of these guys again? Besides Elliot cause he will retire soon. When we are in full swing/inform like the previous 2 years he wouldn't make the starting team. Do you honestly believe he does if we had 2023 form and if so who would he replace and why?

 

[Worm4]

Well two of them missed half season through injury, Bobby Hill admittedly had a unusually bad year and Shultz couldn't fit into the team structure for multiple reasons mostly we had zero cohesion all year. It's literally a one off year let's see if owies ever scores more than any of these guys again? Besides Elliot cause he will retire soon. When we are in full swing/inform like the previous 2 years he wouldn't make the starting team. Do you honestly believe he does if we had 2023 form and if so who would he replace and why?

You agreed with Fadge that Owies would be ranked 30-35th player on collingwoods list, and then revert back to 2023 premiership team. It's the classic fallback for most of you pie posters. Can only go off current form, but I could name a minimum of 15 players worse than Owies on Collingwoods 2024 list which would debunk any of yours, or Fadges theories on that ranking

 

[Robertio]

To be fair he probably would be we we got a lot of small forward. Jamie Elliot's, Shultz, McCreery, Bobby hill ECT he wouldn't get in above any of them, he'd be as useful as a Ben Crocker for us.

I stopped reading at Shultz.

 

[Worm4]

I stopped reading at Shultz.

I stopped reading at "to be fair"

 

[adammania9]

I stopped reading at "to be fair"

Doesn't seem accurate since you responded to the full post

 

[Worm4]

Doesn't seem accurate since you responded to the full post

Not many accuracies around this neck of the woods

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Players ranked 15 to 20 for Carlton would be 30 to 35 for Collingwood.

So to add them to Collingwood's list, it would make it 0.5% better, but by Carlton trading them out, it makes your list 7.5% worse.

Remember, they were good enough to play 47 of a possible 48 games at Carlton in 2024.

So just to confirm...As of 2024 which of these players are better than Owies and Kennedy?

1- Will Parker
2- Josh Carmichael
3- Harry Demattia
4- Nathan Kreuger
5- Ed Allan
6- Fin Macrae
7- Tew Jiath
8- Iliro Smit
9- Oscar Steene
10- Jakob Ryan
11- Reef McInnes
12- Jack Bytel
13- Lachlan Sullivan
14- Josh Eyre
15- Aiden Begg
16- Ash Johnson
17- Ned Long
18- Wil Parker
19- Mason Cox
20- Charlie Dean
21- Oleg Markov
22- Joe Richards
23- Billy Frampton

 

[Chief]

Well two of them missed half season through injury

They are injury prone?

 

[black is White]

They are injury prone?

McCreery isn't Injury prone just had a really bad and unlucky year and Elliot you would argue is but is 3 times the player owies will ever be

 

[Fadge]

So just to confirm...As of 2024 which of these players are better than Owies and Kennedy?

1- Will Parker
2- Josh Carmichael
3- Harry Demattia
4- Nathan Kreuger
5- Ed Allan
6- Fin Macrae
7- Tew Jiath
8- Iliro Smit
9- Oscar Steene
10- Jakob Ryan
11- Reef McInnes
12- Jack Bytel
13- Lachlan Sullivan
14- Josh Eyre
15- Aiden Begg
16- Ash Johnson
17- Ned Long
18- Wil Parker
19- Mason Cox
20- Charlie Dean
21- Oleg Markov
22- Joe Richards
23- Billy Frampton

Half of those players either are, have been, or will be better players than Owies and Kennedy.

Have been:
Cox
Markov
Frampton

Will be:
Macrae
DeMattia
Allen
Jiath
Ryan
Mcinnes
Sullivan
Long
Richards
Dean

I'd keep all of them on Collingwood's list before picking up Kennedy and Owies. (Noting Richards is no longer on our list)

 

[Worm4]

Half of those players either are, have been, or will be better players than Owies and Kennedy.

Have been:
Cox
Markov
Frampton

Will be:
Macrae
DeMattia
Allen
Jiath
Ryan
Mcinnes
Sullivan
Long
Richards
Dean

I'd keep all of them on Collingwood's list before picking up Kennedy and Owies. (Noting Richards is no longer on our list)

So you believe that if all of those players were available on the open market, they would all be selected in a draft / chased by other clubs , before Owies or Kennedy.
Maybe go have your meds for the day

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Half of those players either are, have been, or will be better players than Owies and Kennedy.

Have been:
Cox
Markov
Frampton

Will be:
Macrae
DeMattia
Allen
Jiath
Ryan
Mcinnes
Sullivan
Long
Richards
Dean

I'd keep all of them on Collingwood's list before picking up Kennedy and Owies. (Noting Richards is no longer on our list)

Fadge there's delusion then there's this. Not a single one of those players is better than Owies or Kennedy
Get off the Ayahuasca and have a lay down.

30-35 on Collingwoods depth chart

 

[Arr0w]

Half of those players either are, have been, or will be better players than Owies and Kennedy.

Have been:
Cox
Markov
Frampton

Will be:
Macrae
DeMattia
Allen
Jiath
Ryan
Mcinnes
Sullivan
Long
Richards
Dean

I'd keep all of them on Collingwood's list before picking up Kennedy and Owies. (Noting Richards is no longer on our list)

Only half ? Has someone hacked your account?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

In reality Kennedy would be fringe 22 next year for both sides. Arguably ahead of some duds like Mitchell and Perryman but we'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

So far ahead of a spud like Macrae though it's not even funny.

 

[Bale Dup]

Probably thinks their 1st pick this year will be a better player than ours
Sad really

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