Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[Worm4]

We're just talking about something that is being widely reported and it's on topic

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And in the latest news, putrid team tipped to really struggle in season 2025 with extremely mediocre list handed a fixture playing 3 sides with similar abilities.....( on top of 2 finalists from last season of which both are joint 2nd favourites to take out the premiership)

 

[Worm4]

Where have I done that?

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Pretty sure you stated that Carlton finished 2024 season 16th for the 2nd half of the season, and that form will continue heading into 2025 .

 

[Worm4]

It really is something to behold, probably Carlton's greatest achievement since their last flag. The 3rd time in 20 years they have finished above Collingwood. I can see why Carlton supporters brag about a failed season as finishing with only slightly higher percentage as the pies to finish above them is an incredible almost incomprehensible feat.

Fancy beating your arch rival twice in a season and not finishing ahead of them in a premiership defence year .Talk about fluffing your chances of going ahead of the premiership table

 

[Fadge]

Pretty sure you stated that Carlton finished 2024 season 16th for the 2nd half of the season, and that form will continue heading into 2025 .

Are you disputing that assessment?

 

[Fadge]

Fancy beating your arch rival twice in a season and not finishing ahead of them in a premiership defence year .Talk about fluffing your chances of going ahead of the premiership table

Carlton aren't Collingwood's arch rival - don't kid yourself.

You need to play in big games regularly to maintain any sort of rivalry. Collingwood have played in plenty of big games in recent times... where have Carlton been?

And for about the 10,000th time in this thread, we've been reminded that we were the 2023 premiers, in an effort to be a sick burn. As if winning the premiership one year and 9th the next is a lesser result that being miles from the genuine premiership contenders in both seasons...

 

[Fadge]

Going back 20 years seems pretty fair especially considering I'm 30 and that's the core of my memory. It's not like going back 40+ years is relevant to modern day footy aswell. 10-20 year reflections seem pretty standard doesn't it?

You're spot on with this.

By going back a couple of decades, we can see the Have's and Have Not's - those who have adjusted to the challenges of the modern era, and those that haven't.

There are clear 'Have's' - Geelong, Sydney, Hawthorn, Collingwood, West Coast and Brisbane.

There are clear 'Have Not's' - Carlton, Essendon, North Melbourne.

Then there are other clubs who sit somewhere in between - Have popped up for a single brief period or are close but can't quite put it together - St. Kilda, Richmond, Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Fremantle, etc.

 

[doppleganger]

Fancy beating your arch rival twice in a season and not finishing ahead of them in a premiership defence year .Talk about fluffing your chances of going ahead of the premiership table

You make some good points.

In 2024, the Pies were defending a premiership...last time Carlton could say that was 1996

In 2024, Collingwood beat Carlton twice pretty standard really...the last time Carlton beat the Pies twice in a season we had a Buckley in the team

And yes in 2024, Carlton was fixtured 4 gimme wins against teams that lost 20+ games. 30% of Carlton's wins came from the gimmes. They were a ladder fraud, but that meant everyone got to enjoy their 0-60 EF performance

But yeah 50 years ago, in the 1970s, Carlton used to be strong...

 

[Worm4]

Are you disputing that assessment?

You keep bringing up the FACT that Collingwood are equal 2nd favourites for the flag. It's more than likely disputable that Carlton won't finish 15th given their odds as well. ( or are the odds reflecting the Pies a true indication, whereas the odds for Blues are a poorly framed market according to the multi million dollar corporations who are putting the odds up ?)

 

[Worm4]

You're spot on with this.

By going back a couple of decades, we can see the Have's and Have Not's - those who have adjusted to the challenges of the modern era, and those that haven't.

There are clear 'Have's' - Geelong, Sydney, Hawthorn, Collingwood, West Coast and Brisbane.

There are clear 'Have Not's' - Carlton, Essendon, North Melbourne.

Then there are other clubs who sit somewhere in between - Have popped up for a single brief period or are close but can't quite put it together - St. Kilda, Richmond, Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Fremantle, etc.

Lol - richmond won 3 flags, close but couldn't quite put it together. Another beauty from the Fadgelator

 

[Fadge]

You keep bringing up the FACT that Collingwood are equal 2nd favourites for the flag. It's more than likely disputable that Carlton won't finish 15th given their odds as well. ( or are the odds reflecting the Pies a true indication, whereas the odds for Blues are a poorly framed market according to the multi million dollar corporations who are putting the odds up ?)

Go back to his assessment that Carlton were the 15th best team in the competition for the last two months of the year.

Are you disputing that assessment?

 

[Worm4]

Carlton aren't Collingwood's arch rival - don't kid yourself.

The fadgelator is on fire today . Its time for your morning meds

 

[Fadge]

Lol - richmond won 3 flags, close but couldn't quite put it together. Another beauty from the Fadgelator

Go back and read what I wrote. I'll give you a hint... one of the key words when I was describing the teams Richmond are grouped with was 'or'....

But surprise, surprise... a Carlton supporter leaping to the defence of Richmond...

 

[Worm4]

Go back to his assessment that Carlton were the 15th best team in the competition for the last two months of the year.

Are you disputing that assessment?

The assessment on our VFL side....
Now, can you please frame your market accordingly just so you can get the trifecta for the day -
First - Carlton and Collingwood aren't rivals
2nd - richmond have been useless this century
3rd - I'm waiting

 

[doppleganger]

You're spot on with this.

By going back a couple of decades, we can see the Have's and Have Not's - those who have adjusted to the challenges of the modern era, and those that haven't.

There are clear 'Have's' - Geelong, Sydney, Hawthorn, Collingwood, West Coast and Brisbane.

There are clear 'Have Not's' - Carlton, Essendon, North Melbourne.

Then there are other clubs who sit somewhere in between - Have popped up for a single brief period or are close but can't quite put it together - St. Kilda, Richmond, Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Fremantle, etc.

The old crusty Baggers must be like what poor Melbourne fans were like back in the 1990s...always wanting to talk about ancient success (6 flags 40 years ago) that nobody gave a shit about anymore because the Dees had been rubbish for a quarter of a century.

 

[Worm4]

The old crusty Baggers must be like what poor Melbourne fans were like back in the 1990s...always wanting to talk about ancient success (6 flags 40 years ago) that nobody gave a shit about anymore because the Dees had been rubbish for a quarter of a century.

Reminds me of Collingwood in the 80's when they were rubbish for 32 years

 

[Fadge]

Reminds me of Collingwood in the 80's when they were rubbish for 32 years

Yet we played in 8 more Grand Finals in that time than Carlton have in the last quarter of a century.

I think you need to look up the definition of 'rubbish' - I suggest it will say something about 5 wooden spoons, zero times contending for a premiership and a median ladder position of 13th over a quarter of a century.

 

[JustaBattler]

Carlton aren't Collingwood's arch rival - don't kid yourself.

That is ok Fudgey - Collingwood is the ugly dumb cousin down the bottom of the hill to Carlton supporters. Here is a pat on the head for trying too hard.

 

[Worm4]

Yet we played in 8 more Grand Finals in that time than Carlton have in the last quarter of a century.

I think you need to look up the definition of 'rubbish' - I suggest it will say something about 5 wooden spoons, zero times contending for a premiership and a median ladder position of 13th over a quarter of a century.

They lost every single one of them.

 

[Fadge]

They lost every single one of them.

And won a lot of games, and indeed a lot of big games, to get there.

Have you found your definition of rubbish yet?

If not, here it is:
'Carlton in the 21st Century'.

 

[Fadge]

The assessment on our VFL side....

No, the assessment was from watching Carlton's AFL side. Not sure many Collingwood supporters would waste their time watching Carlton VFL games.

 

[Fadge]

That is ok Fudgey - Collingwood is the ugly dumb cousin down the bottom of the hill to Carlton supporters. Here is a pat on the head for trying too hard.

Yet another illustration of the delusion of Carlton Supporters, given Collingwood are superior to Carlton in every way - current and historical.