Who would we be looking to draft?

[Bluebear]

*coughjackziebellcough*
Best available with our first pick, and then see what happens after that.

I hate doing this, but if you were to compare Ziebell to a current player, who would he most closely play like?

 

[DaveyBlues]

Seeing as the top 3 are lock this year (Watts, Rich, NickNat), that means if we stay where we are, we are guaranteed to get one of Hartlett, Ziebell or Hurley.

I can live with that.

Hartlett would spell the end for who? Surely Carrazzo would never make it back into the midfield with the amount of classier players we'd have than him. If got Shoenmakers in the second round id be estatic.

 

[nogood99]

i say we go after dave mundy from freo, great foot skills and a bit of experience in the backline also can kick goals on the run from outside 50 very reguarily

 

[Banga19]

I hate doing this, but if you were to compare Ziebell to a current player, who would he most closely play like?

Not the best person to answer, but I have asked around myself and Arron Hamil that can play in the midfield seems to be a popular answer. A tough HFF with good skills and potential to play in the middle.

 

[Bluebear]

Not the best person to answer, but I have asked around myself and Arron Hamil that can play in the midfield seems to be a popular answer. A tough HFF with good skills and potential to play in the middle.

Robert Murphy type???

 

[Banga19]

Robert Murphy type???

I think that was my exact reply, but I didn't get an answer unfortunately!

But I hope so, I think Murphy is a great player and someone like that would fit in nicely.

 

[BLUE BLEEDING]

*coughjackziebellcough*
Best available with our first pick, and then see what happens after that.

ziebell is good and is up there, but i would not like to pick him up with our first pick.

 

[djholmes]

I think this is what we need to become a finals side next season. We need 3 new backmen. Player to trade for an experienced backmen include Carrazzo, Cloke, Russel, Wiggins.

FB: NewPlayer Thornton NewPlayer

HB: NewPlayer Jamison Scotland

C: Gibbs Stevens Walker

HF: Houlihan Waite Simpson

FF: Fisher Fevola Betts

RR: Kreuzer Judd Murphy

Bench: Hampson, Austin, Hadley, Pffifer

 

[Ole Gill]

No offence, but thats ridiculous. The backline is the last place we need help. Between Jammo, Bowyer, Thornton, Waite and Austin, we've got enough quality talls. Between Walker, Scotland, Armfield, Browne etc etc we've got enough quality smalls.

We need KP forwards and a ready to go ruckman, plain and simple.

 

[btdg]

As always, first round pick should be a midfielder - its the safe option given where we are going to be drafting, and you can never have too much midfield depth.

Second round pick should be a specialist; preferably a goal-kicking small forward, but if a specialist KP defender is available that might be an idea

Third and fourth round picks should be either another specialist, or just speculative KP tall players.

If we can trade to get another first-round pick then we can afford to gamble on a KP prospect (KP/ruck picks in our range over the past 5 years: Mitch Thorp, Beau Dowler, Patrick Ryder, Mitch Clark, John Meesen, Kepler Bradley)

 

[walkers a legend]

I would like to get Hurley with our first pick i seen highlights of him and he was great.


and do we have any chance of getting Johnstone ? i think he will go in between our first and second pick which is a shame.

 

[SimonH]

As always, first round pick should be a midfielder - its the safe option given where we are going to be drafting, and you can never have too much midfield depth.

You sure you're not Paul Roos? Singin' straight from his songbook.

Although where he parts company with you is on 2nd round picks. That should be a midfielder, too. KPPs and rucks are only for trades, or if you must draft them, 3rd round and subsequently. Preferably the rookie draft.

 

[Blue Dimension]

If Watts doesn't nominate then I don't think he will get past the Dees, and if the Bombers finish below us then they may also be looking for a Fletcher/Michael replacement.

But if he gets through then I'm with you.

You reckon they'd take Hurley at 1 before Naituini BB?

And yeah, personally can't see the Bombers going past a solid backman. I'm assuming with our run home that we'll finish below them (hope not though).

 

[Smell The Glove]

Michael Hurley Key Defender 192cm
Northern 1/06/1990 88kg
Hurley is a proven performer at both ends of the ground and produced impressive numbers in the 2007 season. In 17 games for Northern in the TAC Cup he averaged 18 disposals per game playing in key positions at either end of the ground. When up forward he was always a threat, being a multiple goal kicker five times including a haul of 6. He spent most of his time in defence, however having six or more rebound 50s on seven occasions and averaging four spoils and two marks from opposition kicks per game. He is strong overhead highlighted by his tally of 29 contested marks, of which he took at least one in all games. He dominated at full back for Vic Metro in the 2007 NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, totalling four more rebound 50s than any other player.

Yes please.

 

[bomba4eva]

You reckon they'd take Hurley at 1 before Naituini BB?

And yeah, personally can't see the Bombers going past a solid backman. I'm assuming with our run home that we'll finish below them (hope not though).

Pretty much spot on mate. Cannot see Essendon passing on Hurley if we had the chance to pick him up. Taking a look at both our draws it is likely that we will finish above you. I question whether Carlton need Hurley though? Would have thought you had your long term KPB already on the list and it is simply a case of them maturing?

 

[Blue Dimension]

Pretty much spot on mate. Cannot see Essendon passing on Hurley if we had the chance to pick him up. Taking a look at both our draws it is likely that we will finish above you. I question whether Carlton need Hurley though? Would have thought you had your long term KPB already on the list and it is simply a case of them maturing?

The issue is our forward line.

Waite is playing down back, but we need him up forward.

If the chance to take a strong bodied backman to play on the gorillas a la J.Brown, i think we'd take it. Then throw Waite up forward again with Fisher, Fev and perhaps trade/draft for small and tall forwards (what we're severely lacking in) and then it's all about continuing to push forward.

Perhaps there could be an option to develop him (Hurley) into a CHF?, and hope somebody like Austin can continue to improve and take that spot at CHB.

Either way, drafting somebody of his type would give us the options we need, and would be able to get rid of the cracks in our side that we are currently lacking in regards to the CHF position.

 

[jonoman89]

Draft Hurley, throw Waite forward

Backline of Jamison, Austin, Bower, Thornton and a big bodied CHB would be fantastic and would basically complete our defence. (Browne, Armfield, Anderson all developing as smaller backs).

Waite currently plays at CHB right? Well we have two youngsters in Bower and Austin who naturally play at CHB (both earning awars at U-18 level for their skills). Bower is a lot more like Waite as he can set up play and break lines, whereas Austin is more of a purely defensive player.

So what are we going to do if we draft Hurley? Would we play him CHB or FB? If we played him at CHB then we are wasting Bower and Austin's potential and we'd have too many talls in our backline - Jamison, Thornton, Hurley, Austin, Bower = far too many players (who are capable of starting every week). We don't need more tall defenders at the moment. Play him at FB and we'd throw Jamison out of his preffered area.

If we drafted Hurley into the backline then we'd have a mass glut of tall talent down there and it would waste opportunities for other players who are more than capable of playing in that position. Hurley, Jamo, Thornton, Austin, Bower, Setanta vs. Armfield, Browne and Anderson = 6 talls vs. 3 smalls. BAD balance.

Hurley would only be useful as a forward to us. And drafting young players for an unatural position has more room for failure.

We don't need Hurley. It would be a waste of a pick and a waste of the time we have given to our young defenders to draft him.

So we should knock back the chance to draft another classy mid like Gibbs just because they're not quick?

We still have too many young players and established players who can't kick, so I don't think you can honestly say Carlton doesn't need another midfielder.

Bentick and Carrazzo won't be in our best 22 when we're playing finals.

2008 appears to be a good year to have pick five or six when we could get our hands on a player like Joel Selwood who has played better than anyone in the draft. The bottom four will get a gun and a franchise player, but we will get the type of player our list needs and yet another young gun. A player like Rioli who has made Hawthorn a better side and given them the quick crumbing and defensive forward they needed.

A class inside player like Selwood or a ball user/hard nut like Hodge would complement Judd, Gibbs, Walker, Murphy and Stevens and do wonders for our onball division.

We've missed Hadley's size and versatility as much as we've missed Walker.

I hoping for a Hartlett/Ziebell or Johnston with our first pick after Austin's promising second game on the weekend. It's still early to pass on one of these players if they're the best available to draft for need. We've done that in the past with our second or third round picks and picked a Hampson and Austin to address the ruck and CHB.

True, good midfield talent is always needed. But midfield talent is available at every draft you have to remember, and usually very deep into each draft. Good KPPs are much harder to come by and rarely slip past the 2nd round.

Next year we will probably play in finals so our pick won't be as good as this year, giving us a prime opportunity to get a REALLY good CHF this year. If we draft a good forward this year it will also give them more time to develop and get ready for our flag tilt - and god knows they need more time to develop than a mid.

If draft say Johnston or Ziebell this year, they will have a years' development under their belt, so we can then draft the best mid we can in 09 and have them similar in progress.

 

[Silvagnis]

Waite currently plays at CHB right? Well we have two youngsters in Bower and Austin who naturally play at CHB (both earning awars at U-18 level for their skills). Bower is a lot more like Waite as he can set up play and break lines, whereas Austin is more of a purely defensive player.

So what are we going to do if we draft Hurley? Would we play him CHB or FB? If we played him at CHB then we are wasting Bower and Austin's potential and we'd have too many talls in our backline - Jamison, Thornton, Hurley, Austin, Bower = far too many players (who are capable of starting every week). We don't need more tall defenders at the moment. Play him at FB and we'd throw Jamison out of his preffered area.

If we drafted Hurley into the backline then we'd have a mass glut of tall talent down there and it would waste opportunities for other players who are more than capable of playing in that position. Hurley, Jamo, Thornton, Austin, Bower, Setanta vs. Armfield, Browne and Anderson = 6 talls vs. 3 smalls. BAD balance.

Hurley would only be useful as a forward to us. And drafting young players for an unatural position has more room for failure.

We don't need Hurley. It would be a waste of a pick and a waste of the time we have given to our young defenders to draft him.



True, good midfield talent is always needed. But midfield talent is available at every draft you have to remember, and usually very deep into each draft. Good KPPs are much harder to come by and rarely slip past the 2nd round.

Next year we will probably play in finals so our pick won't be as good as this year, giving us a prime opportunity to get a REALLY good CHF this year. If we draft a good forward this year it will also give them more time to develop and get ready for our flag tilt - and god knows they need more time to develop than a mid.

If draft say Johnston or Ziebell this year, they will have a years' development under their belt, so we can then draft the best mid we can in 09 and have them similar in progress.

I think Hurley can play CHF as well CHB.

Nothing wrong with having Hurley, Waite and Austin on our books when they have the ability to play CHB and CHF.

 

[thegreenmachine]

I think we should be looking for a key position player, we're looking the goods in the midfield but lack some KPPs. A potential CHF would be nice in particular.

 

[HBF]

I think Hurley can play CHF as well CHB.

Nothing wrong with having Hurley, Waite and Austin on our books when they have the ability to play CHB and CHF.

Can we get some perspectiv here guys. And this isn't aimed at you TG. Hurley, as good as he is, shouldn't be expected to play round 1 one next year. And even if he does, I wouldn't have thought he'd have a huge impact over the game. He'll be a good player no doubt, however, like most big blokes, will need some time to develop.

 

[Salaryman]

Can we get some perspectiv here guys. And this isn't aimed at you TG. Hurley, as good as he is, shouldn't be expected to play round 1 one next year. And even if he does, I wouldn't have thought he'd have a huge impact over the game. He'll be a good player no doubt, however, like most big blokes, will need some time to develop.

Don't know mate, I reckon he'd be about as close to a ready made AFL KPP as there is.

 

[Ole Gill]

I think the progress of Bowyer and, to a lesser extent, Austin at CHB means our need for a CHF is not as great as some might think as Waite could well be playing there next year

 

[Kaladin Stormblessed]

I think the progress of Bowyer and, to a lesser extent, Austin at CHB means our need for a CHF is not as great as some might think as Waite could well be playing there next year

That'd be all well and good if Waite was actually GOOD at playing CHF. Don't forget he didn't really set the world on fire up forward and was mightily inconsistent, one of the major reasons he was moved to CHB.

2nd tall at best.

 

[BlueYoss]

I think the progress of Bowyer and, to a lesser extent, Austin at CHB means our need for a CHF is not as great as some might think as Waite could well be playing there next year

 

[HBF]

Don't know mate, I reckon he'd be about as close to a ready made AFL KPP as there is.

Maybe, but 12 months worth of development wouldn't hurt him either. It's a big step up from TAC to AFL. Not too many big men have done it recently. Only a couple of ruckmen in Kreuzer and Leuenberger have done it.