Society/Culture Why are young males now more right wing then older males?

[Episode IV]

Why are young males now more right wing then older males?​

I think most people are going to become older, eventually. It doesn't really matter what they were before they become older males.
Some men are left wing, then older males, some are accountants, and then older males. Some are footy players, then become older males upon retirement.

I don't really understand what this thread is supposed to be about... the inevitability of ageing, perhaps?

 

[RandB]

It reminds me of a Bill Maher monologue a little while back.

In a US context at least, I think there are some elements of truth amongst the puff humour, particularly the Tate stuff.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

The left went too far and pushed their agenda of race, gender, feminism, virtue signalling, cancel culture, labelling onto the next generation. They see what a lot of these people look like - coloured hair, beta, feminine low testosterone. They want to steer clear.

Young men easily find themselves struggling with mental health issues and they turn to self help, where the community is all right wing.

Chronic disease is at an all time high and you find out pretty quick pharma isn’t the answer here and turn natural health where the community is all right wing.

Much like how the left hates trump so much that they look beyond what’s happening in dem party because trump must lose at all costs. Look at the sorry state of America, they’d rather 4 more years of that than Trump. In the same way, young men look beyond all that shady things Trump has said and done because theyre sick of what woke left is preaching to them and how they want them to think.

 

[Seeds]

Why are young males now more right wing then older males?​

I think most people are going to become older, eventually. It doesn't really matter what they were before they become older males.
Some men are left wing, then older males, some are accountants, and then older males. Some are footy players, then become older males upon retirement.

I don't really understand what this thread is supposed to be about... the inevitability of ageing, perhaps?

people tend to become more conservative as they age.

And yet today younger males are more conservative then older males already. That is unique. It is not consistent with history.

How comservative will gen z males be when they are older? Mega comservative if historically trends are the norm.

 

[stax on the mull]

This question about young men turning to the right, and away from young women, was discussed in an interview on Planet America on Friday Nov 1.

Just before the 2nd last tab bar. Approx 36:45. (I think I've posted the video link so it's start about there)

 

[Gethelred]

Why are young males now more right wing then older males?​

I think most people are going to become older, eventually. It doesn't really matter what they were before they become older males.
Some men are left wing, then older males, some are accountants, and then older males. Some are footy players, then become older males upon retirement.

I don't really understand what this thread is supposed to be about... the inevitability of ageing, perhaps?

Seeds is trying to do what Grin did, and it isn't working.

 

[Gethelred]

people tend to become more conservative as they age.

Not these days, they don't.

And yet today younger males are more conservative then older males already. That is unique. It is not consistent with history.

How comservative will gen z males be when they are older? Mega comservative if historically trends are the norm.

Methinks their politics will have to loosen up as they get married or exposed to women, because the expectations of their brand of traditional masculinity are going to see them ostracised if they persist with them.

That, or we're going to see a spate of the messiest divorces ever in around 20ish years.

It's also a thing where some young men choose to reject polite society for a bit. Some will persist with it - countercultures exist for a reason - but most mature out of it, when the 'opt in' forces of capitalism and wider society make their marks on those boys.

 

[CD Xbow]

Mix of rallying against radical stupidity the left come up with and more likely Trump has been on all the popular podcasts in that demo, he's seen as a bit of a 'meme hero'.

He's on Rogan, Logan Paul, Theo, goes to UFC events. Can you think of more 'young men' shit than that?

I think people are also well and truly over everyone being a Nazi too.

You mean people seem to have forgotten the horrors of fascism and for some folks its even become cool and edgy. For Trump, he's found the ultimate grift.

 

[burge13]

You mean people seem to have forgotten the horrors of fascism and for some folks its even become cool and edgy. For Trump, he's found the ultimate grift.

You're proving my point

Everything you dont like is fascism and everyone you dont like is a Nazi.

You'll try and spin it into "falling for Trumps grift" too. The words fascism and nazi have lost all meaning to regular folk, just wildly overused buzzwords by inner city lefty freaks

 

[faible]

You're proving my point

Everything you dont like is fascism and everyone you dont like is a Nazi.

You'll try and spin it into "falling for Trumps grift" too. The words fascism and nazi have lost all meaning to regular folk, just wildly overused buzzwords by inner city lefty freaks

I’d argue it’s more that people don’t understand what fascist means and confuse that lack of knowledge with a lack of understanding that a significant amount of what Trump says, is fascist.

You seem to fall in to the ‘would vote for Trump for the lols’ category, so there’s at least some hope there you could learn more and change your views.

 

[burge13]

I’d argue it’s more that people don’t understand what fascist means and confuse that lack of knowledge with a lack of understanding that a significant amount of what Trump says, is fascist.

You seem to fall in to the ‘would vote for Trump for the lols’ category, so there’s at least some hope there you could learn more and change your views.

Been threw this 1000x, I dont vote. It's pointless, they are all corrupt
We are not American, my view "for lols" doesn't matter.

I think some of our more unhinged friends here will be ****ing hilarious next week if Trump wins though

 

[RedStarUncle]

people tend to become more conservative as they age.

And yet today younger males are more conservative then older males already. That is unique. It is not consistent with history.

How comservative will gen z males be when they are older? Mega comservative if historically trends are the norm.

It goes hand-in-hand with the fact than GenX and GenY have not trended towards conservatism as they age to the same extent that previous generations have.

The now middle-age-group is less conservative than ever, and it's making being right-wing more "rebellious" than ever. The right for the youth is an active rebellion against then norm, not an act of conservatism.

 

[RedStarUncle]

You're proving my point

Everything you dont like is fascism and everyone you dont like is a Nazi.

You'll try and spin it into "falling for Trumps grift" too. The words fascism and nazi have lost all meaning to regular folk, just wildly overused buzzwords by inner city lefty freaks

Not everything right is fascism and not everyone on the right is a Nazi. And no-one is claiming that... it's a useful deflection from the fact that (less importantly) there are neo-Nazis and they do support Trump, but (more importantly) Trump politics are genuinely and in a real way lined with fascist tendencies.



He and his supporters will rail against the claim and deflect from it and use the catch-cry that it's the hysteria of the left that labels everything that way... and they'll do that because for older generations, fascism is tinged with very unpopular and basically socially unacceptable connotations.


But for young male right-wingers...... I think you could just be honest and call it fascism and they wouldn't even care. Because it's just what they genuinely believe in. And to be honest... other than not agreeing with it personally... it should be acceptable to have those beliefs just like it should be acceptable to have communist or socialist or capitalist or conservative beliefs... with the one factor that needs to be preserved being the need for democracy to be valued above and coexistent with whatever beliefs you're holding.

I think the anti-democratic leanings and arguments are the greatest concerning aspect of modern politics.

 

[Seeds]

It goes hand-in-hand with the fact than GenX and GenY have not trended towards conservatism as they age to the same extent that previous generations have.

The now middle-age-group is less conservative than ever, and it's making being right-wing more "rebellious" than ever. The right for the youth is an active rebellion against then norm, not an act of conservatism.

Im not aware of that gen x and millenials have not trended towards conservatism. Have you seen any data on that?

 

[faible]

the ‘would vote for Trump for the lols’ category

Exhibit A

will be ****ing hilarious next week if Trump wins

 

[liz]

people tend to become more conservative as they age.

And yet today younger males are more conservative then older males already. That is unique. It is not consistent with history.

How comservative will gen z males be when they are older? Mega comservative if historically trends are the norm.

I think you’re conflating “conservative” with “right wing”.

Traditionally that has been the case. Maybe it still is for many who consider themselves on the right. But I don’t think younger males’ attraction to Trumpism has anything to do with conservatism. Indeed, it’s oft portrayed (including in this thread) as railing against the status quo. The attraction is something that demands change. It’s just a different kind of change to that which those on the traditional left want, and a kind of change that horrifies most of those on the traditional left.

 

[Seeds]

I think you’re conflating “conservative” with “right wing”.

Traditionally that has been the case. Maybe it still is for many who consider themselves on the right. But I don’t think younger males’ attraction to Trumpism has anything to do with conservatism. Indeed, it’s oft portrayed (including in this thread) as railing against the status quo. The attraction is something that demands change. It’s just a different kind of change to that which those I’m the traditional left want, and a kind of change that horrifies most of those on the traditional left.

Its a change about going back to 1950 social values. That very much fits with conservatism.

 

[liz]

Its a change about going back to 1950 social values. That very much fits with conservatism.

Demonising immigrants (the ones with non-white skins) and refuting their contribution to the US economy and social fabric isn’t going back to 1950s social values.

Undermining faith in government institutions and in fair elections isn’t going back to the 1950s social values.

Concentrating, even further, wealth in the hands of a few isn’t going back to 1950s social values.

 

[Seeds]

Demonising immigrants (the ones with non-white skins) and refuting their contribution to the US economy and social fabric isn’t going back to 1950s social values.

Undermining faith in government institutions and in fair elections isn’t going back to the 1950s social values.

Concentrating, even further, wealth in the hands of a few isn’t going back to 1950s social values.

Demonising immigrants is very much going back to 1950s values. The Irish and italians were blamed for everything. As is wanting to return to a world where men ruled the household, women were house wives and manufacturing and unskilled service jobs had relatively high social status. This is the world trump and his supporters envisage when trump says "make america great again".

And very few are voting republican to undermine democracy. Ignorance that trump is doing that enables them to still vote republican. But its not the reason.

Likewise the uninformed masses arent voting for trump to concentrate wealth. They probably see no difference on this issue between trump and democrats.

 

[Coolangatta]

Demonising immigrants is very much going back to 1950s values. The Irish and italians were blamed for everything. As is wanting to return to a world where men ruled the household, women were house wives and manufacturing and unskilled service jobs had relatively high social status. This is the world trump and his supporters envisage when trump says "make america great again".

And very few are voting republican to undermine democracy. Ignorance that trump is doing that enables them to still vote republican. But its not the reason.

Likewise the uninformed masses arent voting for trump to concentrate wealth. They probably see no difference on this issue between trump and democrats.

Yes. Uneducated young men are getting left behind. They see Trump as a way to helping them regain their status in society.

But little do they realise that trickle down Trump is not going to make their lives any better. It’ll get worse, but not as bad as it’ll get for women and minorities.

I don’t think he’s going to win though but the problem of angry disenfranchised young men isn’t going anywhere.

 

[Episode IV]

I think you’re conflating “conservative” with “right wing”.

That's right. There is a tendency, particularly on this forum, to view conservatism only from a modern Western perspective. The word has a acquired a negative connotation as a result of that - the rejection of Western traditional values.
However, literally speaking, the Aboriginal Australians could also be seen as a deeply conservative people.

I also dislike the use of the word "progressive", which those in opposition to conservative values often use to describe themselves - change is not necessarily progress, and conservative values often exist for very good reasons, social cohesiveness and stability being chief among them.

If conservatism is defined as being an adherence to traditional values and a resistance to change, then the type of person seen as being conservative will also change with time, as the dominant social values change.
In short, today's liberal becomes tomorrow's conservative not always or only as a function of age, but also as a function of changing social values (particularly within the lifetime of a single individual). One of the things which should be kept in mind is the comparative rate of social change and attitudes over the last century or so compared with that of centuries past. Significant and widespread social change occurring within a single lifetime is no longer a rarity, but something quite common (in Western society) and almost to be expected. Not only that, but it often comes as a result of economic necessity (and at the direction of corporate interests), but I won't venture too far into that at this stage.

Julius Caesar was assassinated by elements of the Roman Senate.
Without overcomplicating it, Caesar was an authoritarian progressive, and the Senators conservative democrats.
Who the "good guys" were would depend entirely upon subjective moral values.

So,
"It’s just a different kind of change to that which those I’m the traditional left want, and a kind of change that horrifies most of those on the traditional left."
Yep.

 

[stax on the mull]

The only people who watch Sky News are the people who hate Sky News...

Obviously not true. I don't watch it either, but I see enough of it in clips spread/spammed via social media. Murdoch makes it quite clear that the reason he buys the rights to Sport is so that he can get his viewers to watch his news, and his news is one of the reason why not just far right views, but lunatic views (like stolen elections) have become mainstream.

 

[burge13]

Obviously not true. I don't watch it either, but I see enough of it in clips spread/spammed via social media. Murdoch makes it quite clear that the reason he buys the rights to Sport is so that he can get his viewers to watch his news, and his news is one of the reason why not just far right views, but lunatic views (like stolen elections) have become mainstream.

Way over valuing Sky News reach and underestimating social media

 

[cartwright]

Way over valuing Sky News reach and underestimating social media

Most of the increase in viewers for Sky news is via YouTube.

And up until July this year, was available FTA in regional towns

 

[peetoo]

See everything through the lense that extremities are a small portion of peoples true attitudes, but get an obscene amoint of media space, tras and social