Willy T Asks to be Traded

[Madtiger2006]

How do you work that out? Astbury has shown he can handle CHB, while Gourdis is a good option at FB for the time being.

You need 3 talls 192cm+ in defence. Moore is a small. Grimes is a long way off. Very skinny. Rance may be more suited up the ground. With the loss of Thursty, Mcguane becomes even more important

 

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You need 3 talls 192cm+ in defence. Moore is a small. Grimes is a long way off. Very skinny. Rance may be more suited up the ground. With the loss of Thursty, Mcguane becomes even more important

Even with those 2 gone we'd still Astbury(195), Gourdis(194), Post(194) & Grimes(193) who are all capable of playing KPD. Add to that the possibility of another 1-2 kids being draft in the next year or 2 and I don't see a problem.

 

[The Goon]

If we somehow managed to walk away from trade week with:
Pick 6, 15, 21, Veszpremi & Sherman for McGuane Thursfield Tambling 28 & 45, would it be considered a good week or a bad week?

Remove Sherman and Tambling from that and I'd be ecstatic. Still don't want to lose Bling.

 

[Rancid_Beasties]

Even with those 2 gone we'd still Astbury(195), Gourdis(194), Post(194) & Grimes(193) who are all capable of playing KPD. Add to that the possibility of another 1-2 kids being draft in the next year or 2 and I don't see a problem.

Astbury - 1st year, will still be undersized going into next year. Possible long term option.
Gourdis - I've always been a huge fan, I think he is going to be a gun but there are always issues of self belief there that could stop him from being the player he should be.
Post - has gone backwards, needs more games.
Grimes - Athlete, not much of a footballer at this stage.

We could have 3-4 good backs out of these guys in 2 or 3 years time. But at the moment there are alot of question marks.

Thursfield almost always blanketed his opponent. Sure, he created no drive but had "neat" skills and knew his limitations, unlike McGuane. I'm quite disappointed to lose him. Always rated him as a far superior option to McGuane whose athleticism doesn't make up for his brain fades and well below par skills.

 

[partycorolla]

Astbury - 1st year, will still be undersized going into next year. Possible long term option.
Gourdis - I've always been a huge fan, I think he is going to be a gun but there are always issues of self belief there that could stop him from being the player he should be.
Post - has gone backwards, needs more games.
Grimes - Athlete, not much of a footballer at this stage.

We could have 3-4 good backs out of these guys in 2 or 3 years time. But at the moment there are alot of question marks.

Thursfield almost always blanketed his opponent. Sure, he created no drive but had "neat" skills and knew his limitations, unlike McGuane. I'm quite disappointed to lose him. Always rated him as a far superior option to McGuane whose athleticism doesn't make up for his brain fades and well below par skills.

If those guys are going to be good in 2 or 3 years then why not get more game time into them in 2011-12. Dispense with the players we don't think we need.... Draft more kids in those positions too. Wins and losses next year count for little in the search for our next premiership.....

If it were up to me, I'd keep 1 or 2 of McGuane/Thursty/Rance.... Dont care who, thats up to Dimma.... I'll back him

 

[Madtiger2006]

Even with those 2 gone we'd still Astbury(195), Gourdis(194), Post(194) & Grimes(193) who are all capable of playing KPD. Add to that the possibility of another 1-2 kids being draft in the next year or 2 and I don't see a problem.

One of Post or Astbury will be up forward. So that only leaves Gourdis and Grimes who needs another 10kg. That's not much at all for tall defenders

 

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Astbury - 1st year, will still be undersized going into next year. Possible long term option.
Gourdis - I've always been a huge fan, I think he is going to be a gun but there are always issues of self belief there that could stop him from being the player he should be.
Post - has gone backwards, needs more games.
Grimes - Athlete, not much of a footballer at this stage.

We could have 3-4 good backs out of these guys in 2 or 3 years time. But at the moment there are alot of question marks.

Thursfield almost always blanketed his opponent. Sure, he created no drive but had "neat" skills and knew his limitations, unlike McGuane. I'm quite disappointed to lose him. Always rated him as a far superior option to McGuane whose athleticism doesn't make up for his brain fades and well below par skills.

Agree with the points you raised, but I look at it like this, if we were to trade out McGuane and Will this year we might take a step or 2 backwards next year, but long term we would be better off. With less competition for spots we would be forced to play the kids and fast track their development or find out sooner rather than later whether the kids could play or not.

 

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One of Post or Astbury will be up forward. So that only leaves Gourdis and Grimes who needs another 10kg. That's not much at all for tall defenders

Stop looking short term and think long term. As I mentioned we've already got Astbury Post Gourdis & Grimes who are all 193 or taller who can all play down back. We need to find out if these kids can play. Sure it might hurt in the short term regarding wins and losses next year but wouldn't you rather find a couple of 10 year KPD we can build a backline around rather than hold on to a couple of guys who although handy footballers and probably never going to be part of our next premiership side.

 

[folester41]

i think astbury will be a player, and i see grimes as a better prospect than gourdis, rance and post.

still need to recruit a young tall, even in the rookie draft.

 

[Tiger_Stripes]

i think astbury will be a player, and i see grimes as a better prospect than gourdis, rance and post.

still need to recruit a young tall, even in the rookie draft.

If Gourdis had been drafted properly, this board would be so excited it wouldn't be funny. Never forget he was rated a top ten pick in all the mock drafts but clubs steered clear because of his depression. Has more potential than the lot.

 

[TigerTime88]

Gourdis athletically is a freak and is a great mark, that is most of the battle of being a KPD. He is super quick, has a huge leap (draft camp results), can take a grab, his skills are ok.

Seriously this kid is one of my favourite players. Last year he took alot of marks in the backline of the games he played and chopped off alot of passes. I honestly think he will play FB/CHB for the next 10 years if everything goes right. He reminds me of Ben Reid from Collingwood.

He also provides more run than Thursfield.

 

[UpTheGuts]

Gourdis athletically is a freak and is a great mark, that is most of the battle of being a KPD. He is super quick, has a huge leap (draft camp results), can take a grab, his skills are ok.

Seriously this kid is one of my favourite players. Last year he took alot of marks in the backline of the games he played and chopped off alot of passes. I honestly think he will play FB/CHB for the next 10 years if everything goes right. He reminds me of Ben Reid from Collingwood.

He also provides more run than Thursfield.

Agreed. Wish Willy all the best, but otherwise think this might solve a few more problems than it creates

 

[mitch richmond]

If it's an underveloped backline you're after Astbury, Gourdis, Post and Grimes would do the job. They are all at least 3 years away from being top quality. To state the bleeding obvious we need men like Scarlett, Lake, Croad, Barry. Thursfield only turned 24 this year and is a must keep!

 

[Deledio2Conca]

I actually prefer McGuane to Thursfield. Yes I shudder a bit when he is going for a short pass, but his athleticism and run off style is something I prefer to Thursfield's stopping ability, which IMO has been a little overrated after his knee injury back in '06. McGuane is a very good stopper in his own right anyway.

Thursfield wasn't a cemented player in our 22 this season, so I think we were playing with an underdeveloped backline anyway. Although I'm not sure that's a true statement anyway given Moore and McGuane are reasonably experienced.

 

[tugga]

I actually prefer McGuane to Thursfield. Yes I shudder a bit when he is going for a short pass, but his athleticism and run off style is something I prefer to Thursfield's stopping ability, which IMO has been a little overrated after his knee injury back in '06. McGuane is a very good stopper in his own right anyway.

Thursfield wasn't a cemented player in our 22 this season, so I think we were playing with an underdeveloped backline anyway. Although I'm not sure that's a true statement anyway given Moore and McGuane are reasonably experienced.

Me too.
McGuane is fearless and actually doesn't miss many targets.
I am a McGuane fan but I also realise the fan club is very short on numbers on here

 

[partycorolla]

I actually prefer McGuane to Thursfield. Yes I shudder a bit when he is going for a short pass, but his athleticism and run off style is something I prefer to Thursfield's stopping ability, which IMO has been a little overrated after his knee injury back in '06. McGuane is a very good stopper in his own right anyway.

Thursfield wasn't a cemented player in our 22 this season, so I think we were playing with an underdeveloped backline anyway. Although I'm not sure that's a true statement anyway given Moore and McGuane are reasonably experienced.

I agree.... who cares if we play with an under developed backline in 2011... we are looking to develop a premiership winning side. Play the kids we think are going to make it going forward should be the object. Wins/losses in 2011 mean nothing

 

[Madtiger2006]

Stop looking short term and think long term. As I mentioned we've already got Astbury Post Gourdis & Grimes who are all 193 or taller who can all play down back. We need to find out if these kids can play. Sure it might hurt in the short term regarding wins and losses next year but wouldn't you rather find a couple of 10 year KPD we can build a backline around rather than hold on to a couple of guys who although handy footballers and probably never going to be part of our next premiership side.

I am looking long term. Mcguane is only 23, is our best stopper and has more size and improvement in him

 

[partycorolla]

Me too.
McGuane is fearless and actually doesn't miss many targets.
I am a McGuane fan but I also realise the fan club is very short on numbers on here

I think the team just can't have both McGuane and Thursfield in the one team.... Time and time again the opposition are just happy to let them have it short in the back pocket and wait for them to turn it over. Rance sort of fits in this category too...

Personally I would prefer McGuane if he can work on not losing his s..t and giving away dumb free kicks and work on his disposal....

I think the club would get better trade value out of trading McGuane.... Leave it to Dimma....

 

[SAtiger11]

#2 Free now ...... Anyone got any ideas?

 

[tugga]

I think the team just can't have both McGuane and Thursfield in the one team.... Time and time again the opposition are just happy to let them have it short in the back pocket and wait for them to turn it over. Rance sort of fits in this category too...

Personally I would prefer McGuane if he can work on not losing his s..t and giving away dumb free kicks and work on his disposal....

I think the club would get better trade value out of trading McGuane.... Leave it Dimma....

Yeah, Luke is not without his flaws, but he has balls of steel and is a smarter kick than what most people give him credit for.
Hopefully we get something OK in return for Thursty.
I would be rapt if we could get a packet of Twisties (cheese, not chicken) for Rance.

 

[partycorolla]

Yeah, Luke is not without his flaws, but he has balls of steel and is a smarter kick than what most people give him credit for.
Hopefully we get something OK in return for Thursty.
I would be rapt if we could get a packet of Twisties (cheese, not chicken) for Rance.

Looks as though Carlton are out of the running for Thursty... or is it Swann just being coy.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ut-of-retirement/story-e6frf9jf-1225932184327

Could you couple Rance with Bling in the hope of getting something decent pick wise???

 

[the ranger]

I would be rapt if we could get a packet of Twisties (cheese, not chicken) for Rance.

I don't get this kind of attitude. A top 20 pick, 20 years old. Has shown a bit already. You want him delisted? If we did, he'd be taken in the national draft, probably quite high and we'd be made to look incredibly stupid.

 

[tugga]

I don't get this kind of attitude. A top 20 pick, 20 years old. Has shown a bit already. You want him delisted? If we did, he'd be taken in the national draft, probably quite high and we'd be made to look incredibly stupid.

he has shown little. didn't say delisted. traded, yes.

 

[the ranger]

he has shown little. didn't say delisted. traded, yes.

For cheese twisties. In other words, you'd take anything at all for him which is the equivalent of delisting.

He's shown a bit, I reckon. Definitely too early to think about cutting him loose. If we were going to move him on, there's be a fair amount of interest.

 

[tugga]

For cheese twisties. In other words, you'd take anything at all for him which is the equivalent of delisting.

He's shown a bit, I reckon. Definitely too early to think about cutting him loose. If we were going to move him on, there's be a fair amount of interest.

I was being a touch facetious with the Twisties comment.
I would consider this to be prime time for moving him on for something reasonable.
If he stays, he stays. Which I think he will.
I just don't think he will amount to anything, hence my reason for getting something for him now while he may hold some currency.