WTC Final Australia v India Only Test June 7-11 1800hrs @ the Oval

[Iceman!]

Khawaja & Warner are 36/37 - Smith 34 with lots of miles on the clock nothing lasts forever

Was talking in the short term, Khawaja is batting as well as he ever has.

 

[freo_leo29]

The draw being a win or sorts is a stupid rule, can easily see one side putting the cue in the rack and taking the win out if it, most likely India.

I guess it would also suck if you finished 2nd and your opponent played for a draw from the outset

 

[melanChronic]

The draw being a win or sorts is a stupid rule, can easily see one side putting the cue in the rack and taking the win out if it, most likely India.

Having thought about it, I think it's the best option available.

A shootout style mechanism i.e. super over would be ridiculous after 5/6 days of grind.

The higher placed team only needing a draw to win increases the risk of a team going for a draw early on, and even incentivises the top team to pick a side around aiming for a draw. The shield used to have this and it often made the final a bit of a non-event.

Having some kind of in-game tiebreaker like first innings runs could work, but it warps the nature of the contest and could also see teams batting to make huge first innings scores rather than go for the win.

I think you want the option of a draw to be on the table, as draws are an important part of test cricket. You don't want one team dropping their bundle once they don't look like winning. The question then is whether both teams share it or neither team gets the mace if it's a draw. I think the first option works better as an incentive for each side to stay in the contest as long as possible.

The trick is just to make sure the pitch for the final has enough in it to ensure that surviving for a draw is an achievement in itself worthy of sharing the title.

 

[Jamurp]

Having thought about it, I think it's the best option available.

A shootout style mechanism i.e. super over would be ridiculous after 5/6 days of grind.

The higher placed team only needing a draw to win increases the risk of a team going for a draw early on, and even incentivises the top team to pick a side around aiming for a draw. The shield used to have this and it often made the final a bit of a non-event.

Having some kind of in-game tiebreaker like first innings runs could work, but it warps the nature of the contest and could also see teams batting to make huge first innings scores rather than go for the win.

I think you want the option of a draw to be on the table, as draws are an important part of test cricket. You don't want one team dropping their bundle once they don't look like winning. The question then is whether both teams share it or neither team gets the mace if it's a draw. I think the first option works better as an incentive for each side to stay in the contest as long as possible.

The trick is just to make sure the pitch for the final has enough in it to ensure that surviving for a draw is an achievement in itself worthy of sharing the title.

Very true, still reckon both teams will want to go for it, as if either will want to share it, hopefully India give a genuine go anyway, although we look in a really strong position, could bat them out of the match today really.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Head will be found out by the English bowlers, will be lucky to get 80 runs for the whole Ashes, i think we will lose 3-2

Explain? Which bowler(s), and what tactic?

 

[grumbleguts]

TFW the curators didn't manufacture a dustbowl for you to stat-pad on and maintain your manicured world's best bowler ratings.

 

[magpiemaniac44]

Having thought about it, I think it's the best option available.

A shootout style mechanism i.e. super over would be ridiculous after 5/6 days of grind.

The higher placed team only needing a draw to win increases the risk of a team going for a draw early on, and even incentivises the top team to pick a side around aiming for a draw. The shield used to have this and it often made the final a bit of a non-event.

Having some kind of in-game tiebreaker like first innings runs could work, but it warps the nature of the contest and could also see teams batting to make huge first innings scores rather than go for the win.

I think you want the option of a draw to be on the table, as draws are an important part of test cricket. You don't want one team dropping their bundle once they don't look like winning. The question then is whether both teams share it or neither team gets the mace if it's a draw. I think the first option works better as an incentive for each side to stay in the contest as long as possible.

The trick is just to make sure the pitch for the final has enough in it to ensure that surviving for a draw is an achievement in itself worthy of sharing the title.

Yeah it's tricky, perhaps too hard logistically but maybe if they play out a draw, the two teams play a rematch a week later, until someone wins

Don't like the fact a team can play for a draw and get/share the mace but there's not many other options

 

[largebus]

The only alternative is that nether side wins the mace if they draw. Would be silly but better than both teams holding up the mace and mutedly celebrating.

Would be like a draw in boxing when the title is vacant. Nobody wins the belt.

 

[grumbleguts]

It's amazing how much more over rates are talked about on the first day when you can see the amount of overs bowled really clearly as it equals to the amount of overs bowled for the innings.

It barely gets talked about after that as its no longer obvious how many overs have been bowled in the day.

This may be the case where you are from, but here, we have this thing called maths, and we don't even need to use it, we use basic arithmetic. Try it out tonight, you'll be amazed. Subtract 85 from the total overs bowled, and you'll get the overs bowled tonight. It really works.

 

[big_e]

TFW the curators didn't manufacture a dustbowl for you to stat-pad on and maintain your manicured world's best bowler ratings.
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Averages 28 in England, took 3/74 in his previous Oval test and 4/45 in the 2021 WTC final.

But yeah, needs a dustbowl...

 

[grumbleguts]

Averages 28 in England, took 3/74 in his previous Oval test and 4/45 in the 2021 WTC final.

But yeah, needs a dustbowl...

So... 28 would get him the best bowler in the world status would it?

 

[dogs105]

Balls are already dying on day 3, by day 4 this could be a very tricky wicket to bat on.

What's the weather like on day 3, Doctor?

 

[troybe]

I’m loving Indian cricket social media at the moment. So many sooks.

 

[k31th]

In fairness to 7 Plus it looks like it’s in 4K, whereas 7HD is in 1080. A much better picture.

I know I'm a bit late to respond to this, but the best resolution you get out of 7Plus is 720p. The best you get out of 7HD is 1080i... the "i" is interlaced and it looks worse to a human eye compared to the "p" of progressive video and in common parlance 1080i is about the same quality as 720p. 7plus (720p) and 7HD (1080i) looks like in comparison to the 1080p of Kayo (when you can get enough CDN bandwidth to actually play 1080p of Kayo haha). 4K is 4 times as big as 1080... 720p is just tiny/blurry in comparison to actual 4K (2160p)

 

[Malifice]

And we're back.

Big 1st session. A few wickets and they're into the tail. OTOH, a big 1st session from us totally takes an Indian win off the table.

Popcorn ready.

 

[Kappa]

Having thought about it, I think it's the best option available.

A shootout style mechanism i.e. super over would be ridiculous after 5/6 days of grind.

The higher placed team only needing a draw to win increases the risk of a team going for a draw early on, and even incentivises the top team to pick a side around aiming for a draw. The shield used to have this and it often made the final a bit of a non-event.

Having some kind of in-game tiebreaker like first innings runs could work, but it warps the nature of the contest and could also see teams batting to make huge first innings scores rather than go for the win.

I think you want the option of a draw to be on the table, as draws are an important part of test cricket. You don't want one team dropping their bundle once they don't look like winning. The question then is whether both teams share it or neither team gets the mace if it's a draw. I think the first option works better as an incentive for each side to stay in the contest as long as possible.

The trick is just to make sure the pitch for the final has enough in it to ensure that surviving for a draw is an achievement in itself worthy of sharing the title.

Good post, the entire trick is having a pitch which has something for the bowlers across all 5 days

 

[2notepockets]

Mo Shami would be first picked if he was English... but the Poms will sort Trav out...

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

No one should win if it's a draw

 

[Iceman!]

No one should win if it's a draw

A 2 year comp that can ultimately end in no winner? Not sure about that

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

A 2 year comp that can ultimately end in no winner? Not sure about that

That's cricket

It's perfect

 

[Gough]

Big scores on offer today.

 

[troybe]

Track good weather fine. Let’s rock.

 

[troybe]

Too easy Smudge

 

[Westend]

shot smudge

 

[Moonwatcher]

Didn't have to wait long