Covid-19 Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 4 - Ivermectin doesn't work either.

[Chief]

Continued in Part 5:

Covid-19 - Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 5 - Get vaccinated.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/in-focus/covid-19-vaccination-case-surveillance-051121.pdf In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated...

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[yebiga]

Luc Montagnier went downhill after his Nobel. He’s now a full blown conspiracy theorist shunned by mainstream science. Anti-vaxxer, homeopath, Covid truther, believer in teleportation, radio waves controlling humans etc

Don’t know why he cracked, mental degradation, illness, stress, whatever he’s now a full blown quack shunned by his peers. They openly call him an idiot

There are plenty of medical experts calling each other idiots during the last 15 months. The fact some are supported by MSM and some vilified is the only consistent distinction. Pick you expert. There was even a current GAVI guy arguing that vaccines are dangerous and should not be used during a pandemic.

If the World Media decides you are legit - they can portray Dr Mengele as a humanitarian - and the world will bow to him and award a posthumous nobel prize.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Currently about 15% of Victorian have received one dose, of those a significant number will not have had time to develop immunity, and even fewer have received the second dose. At population level, the risk of transmission is probably reduced by ~5%. Not enough to make a meaningful difference.

What are the numbers around initial immunity?

 

[Snake_Baker]

So what is the point of the vaccine?

Do you know if the vaccine caused the infection?

 

[Paul Kersey]

Bah. All ok here in Victoria. It’s likely just going to be a few deaths, some job losses, a handful of company liquidations, increase in mental health problems, slight erosion of business confidence etc. Nothing to see here. The important part is we got back a few people who voluntarily travelled overseas during a pandemic (yes - voluntarily) and gifted us another outbreak on their return due to (drumroll) - inept contact tracing and a broken quarantine system. But we got them out of a covid hotspot so all ok. Feels good.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

To not be severely ill (TP mentioned his friend who is in ICU with covid, unvaccinated)

Only one person in Australia is in ICU, in NSW, is that him?

 

[swingdog]

Only one person in Australia is in ICU, in NSW, is that him?

No, I think TP’s friend is in Bulgaria.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

That would be conclusive proof of....?
If the vaccine does not prevent spread but merely reduce it's severity if contracted - are there not many other therapeutics and behaviours that do the same? Why aren't they then given any billing. In the USA, something over half the covid dead were technically obese. For those people, exercise and diet are surely as effective in reducing the effects of covid as these vaccines. It is essentially what you are saying, is it not? Then, why are these obese not encouraged to walk more, eat less and only encouraged to vaccinate?

Further, if the vaccine only reduces severity, why the pressure to vaccinate? Why are the covid passports being considered if all the vaccine achieves is a reduction in severity?

Losing a large amount of weight in order to not be obese, or morbidly obese, takes a long time, years even, and takes a lot of strength of will and discipline. Not everyone has the commitment, or even the desire, to discipline themselves in this way, over a long period. Kudos to those who can. But everyone’s circumstances are different. Perhaps the obese people could have avoided death if only they’d changed their ways years earlier. Now, though, starting a weight loss regime in the middle of the pandemic is unlikely to help them avoid serious outcomes in the short to middle term (although it should of course be encouraged).

 

[Crankyhawk]

Bah. All ok here in Victoria. It’s likely just going to be a few deaths, some job losses, a handful of company liquidations, increase in mental health problems, slight erosion of business confidence etc. Nothing to see here. The important part is we got back a few people who voluntarily travelled overseas during a pandemic (yes - voluntarily) and gifted us another outbreak on their return due to (drumroll) - inept contact tracing and a broken quarantine system. But we got them out of a covid hotspot so all ok. Feels good.

Add in failed HQ system from SA and a tradies who decided to ignore advice to swab if symptoms (nah mate ill just ignore this runny nose)

 

[Crankyhawk]

Only one person in Australia is in ICU, in NSW, is that him?

I think TP and friend are in Bulgaria.
Now I know of one positive in ICU in my hospital but the ICU issue is not actually covid related (more I should not say)

 

[Total Power]

So what is the point of the vaccine?

The fact that i am barely feeling it and my conspiracy theory loving client is in ICU? FWIW i have mild hypertension and he is fit. Vaccines don't guarantee you won't get covid or you won't die from it, it but it reduces the probability by 70-90% depending the vaccine you get.

 

[Total Power]

Crankyhawk Snake_Baker

How long do you think the immunity (anti-bodies) lasts from the vaccines? Another question is that whether it will be possible to get a Pfizer vaccine a few months down the line even if i had the AZ one?

I have read stuff online but it seems like the opinion is divided, interested to know your thoughts.

 

[Seeds]

Bah. All ok here in Victoria. It’s likely just going to be a few deaths, some job losses, a handful of company liquidations, increase in mental health problems, slight erosion of business confidence etc. Nothing to see here. The important part is we got back a few people who voluntarily travelled overseas during a pandemic (yes - voluntarily) and gifted us another outbreak on their return due to (drumroll) - inept contact tracing and a broken quarantine system. But we got them out of a covid hotspot so all ok. Feels good.

wouldnt have an issue with the virus if you over 50s just got vaccinated. it doesn’t impact us under 50s. we have sacrificed our lives for you old farts. Go get vaccinated so we can stop locking down.

 

[Paul Kersey]

wouldnt have an issue with the virus if you over 50s just got vaccinated. it doesn’t impact us under 50s. we have sacrificed our lives for you old farts. Go get vaccinated so we can stop locking down.

Maybe direct that rant to someone who is aged 50 or over.

 

[Seeds]

Maybe direct that rant to someone who is aged 50 or over.

If you are going to have a Clint Eastwood avatar for a decade everyone thinks your atleast 60.

 

[Paul Kersey]

If you are going to have a Clint Eastwood avatar for a decade everyone thinks your atleast 60.

No they don’t.

 

[Seeds]

No they don’t.

Yes they do. It’s subconscious. You represent yourself with an old man for a decade everyone thinks your an old man. It’s just our intuitive reaction. Humans didn’t evolve in the time of avatars and photos. our subconscious don’t know the difference.

 

[Dry Rot]

So i have 2 shots of AZ and i am now Covid positive. Very mild with CT score (Crankyhawk might know better) of 31. I have no symptoms but now i have to self isolate for 2 weeks

How could this be? The vaccines are safe and effective.

Maybe you play for the New York Yankees?

New York Yankees say 8 vaccinated members tested positive for Covid-19. Here's how that could happen

The single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine was 72% effective against Covid-19 among US trial participants and 85% effective against severe Covid-19. But even if you get Covid-19 after being vaccinated, your symptoms will likely be far less severe.

edition.cnn.com

 

[Snake_Baker]

Crankyhawk Snake_Baker

How long do you think the immunity (anti-bodies) lasts from the vaccines? Another question is that whether it will be possible to get a Pfizer vaccine a few months down the line even if i had the AZ one?

1) Years & potentially your life time.

2) I wouldn't double up on vaccines unless your doctor recommends it.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Crankyhawk Snake_Baker

How long do you think the immunity (anti-bodies) lasts from the vaccines? Another question is that whether it will be possible to get a Pfizer vaccine a few months down the line even if i had the AZ one?

I have read stuff online but it seems like the opinion is divided, interested to know your thoughts.

They are assuming it needs a booster every year. Obviously there is insufficient evidence to say one way or another yet.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yes they do. It’s subconscious. You represent yourself with an old man for a decade everyone thinks your an old man. It’s just our intuitive reaction. Humans didn’t evolve in the time of avatars and photos. our subconscious don’t know the difference.

My intuitive reaction is that Clint would kick your ass.

 

[yebiga]

Losing a large amount of weight in order to not be obese, or morbidly obese, takes a long time, years even, and takes a lot of strength of will and discipline. Not everyone has the commitment, or even the desire, to discipline themselves in this way, over a long period. Kudos to those who can. But everyone’s circumstances are different. Perhaps the obese people could have avoided death if only they’d changed their ways years earlier. Now, though, starting a weight loss regime in the middle of the pandemic is unlikely to help them avoid serious outcomes in the short to middle term (although it should of course be encouraged).

mmm

 

[Stronzo]

Bah. All ok here in Victoria. It’s likely just going to be a few deaths, some job losses, a handful of company liquidations, increase in mental health problems, slight erosion of business confidence etc. Nothing to see here. The important part is we got back a few people who voluntarily travelled overseas during a pandemic (yes - voluntarily) and gifted us another outbreak on their return due to (drumroll) - inept contact tracing and a broken quarantine system. But we got them out of a covid hotspot so all ok. Feels good.

Citizens should have free passage to return home.

The quarantine system and snail’s pace vaccination are the issues, not citizens returning home.

 

[yebiga]

The fact that i am barely feeling it and my conspiracy theory loving client is in ICU? FWIW i have mild hypertension and he is fit. Vaccines don't guarantee you won't get covid or you won't die from it, it but it reduces the probability by 70-90% depending the vaccine you get.

I am happy for you - I feel the same after a work-out, a walk on the beach, a salad, and a good night sleep. Of course none of it will prevent me catching a virus but it reduces the probability by 70-90% of it being debilitating depending on my age, health and peace of mind. FWIW

 

[adogsfan5]

As a Victorian - I’m back on the blame train. Gimme a few days and I’ll get over it. When can I start pointing fingers at Wuhan again?

 

[Total Power]

I am happy for you - I feel the same after a work-out, a walk on the beach, a salad, and a good night sleep. Of course none of it will prevent me catching a virus but it reduces the probability by 70-90% of it being debilitating depending on my age, health and peace of mind. FWIW

Yes cause a workout stops the virus hey? my client who is in ICU works out every day (i don't workout at all), and he's now in ICU for a fit bloke. On top of that even me being asymptomatic, i have elevated levels of D-dimer which increases the chances of blood clot. Thanks to the vaccine i have taken it isn't off the charts.