Draft Watcher Young Talent Time 2013 - A Phantom Draft

[Chris25]

Since I haven't had a chance to do more profiles yet, I thought I'd add some more names with a third round in the opening post.

Was going to ask you and KM about Jono Marsh. Judging by your convo in the other thread you have seen more of him? From memory Wallace had him slotted in at 7 on TAC Future Stars which is interesting seems it's usually a top 10 of Victorians.

I saw that earlier today, tend to think #7 might be a little bit early for Marsh at this stage. I actually think he could work his way up to late first round selection, although I'm keeping him lower until I see more of him. Think he projects quite nicely as a CHF. At 191cm, he is a decent size to play that role. Unlike others around that height, he isn't a contested marking forward - so his slightly shorter size isn't that big of a deal.

He tends to play a similar way to Nick Riewoldt - runs hard, and uses that to work up the ground and then double back on his opponent. That coupled with his speed is how he gets his ball, so I think he'll do quite nicely at the next level. Still hasn't really played as a permanent CHF, so there should still be improvement to come - particularly in terms of goals.

So while top 10 may be a little early for me at the moment, I wouldn't be surprised to see him push into the top 20.

Hi Chris, what are your thoughts on the following players?
Daniel McStay
Patrick McCartin
Tom Langdon
Bryden Squire
James Sicily
Aidan Franetic
Ben Kearns

First off, McCartin is one I really like, but he is underaged this year. Looking forward to seeing more of him over the next 18 months.

Tom Langdon was one player I was quite keen on last year. Pushing 190cm, and able to play through the midfield as well as off half back. Was surprised he didn't get a gig last year, perhaps the lack of pure leg speed was his down fall? I'd have both him and Kearns as rookie chances.

I had Franetic rated a little higher at the start of the season, don't think he has quite improved as much as I thought he would. He had some really impressive games as a 17 year old last year. Good little half forward, although his kicking can be a bit hit and miss from what I've seen. Another rookie chance for me. On the other hand, Sicily is one who has very much improved this year - and I have him in my third round. The move into the forward half this year has definitely helped and for someone his size, he has really good hands above his head.

I've mentioned McStay before, and thought he'd have gotten more of a chance with Metro in the first couple of weeks. Not sure why he hasn't gotten a game yet. He is a good size, can play either end and is another strong mark. He'd be the one I look at in the middle to later rounds if I were after a KPP.

 

[tigs2010]

Thanks for that Chris. Interesting to read the more names and look forward to your descriptions and player comparisons. Totally agree with what you say about the 190cm types making good no.2 forwards. Marsh sounds like someone we could put to good use out at CHF. We already have our no.1 forward (Riewoldt) We have our 3rd tall/2nd ruck (Vickery) We desperately need a CHF type. We've been playing Edwards/McGuane there (184cm/192cm respectively) Hourigan/Willsmore probably fit what we need to, so good to see there are options for us. We've been keen on Darling/Membrey in the past.

I also like the Impey pick for us.

 

[U Little Beauty]

thanks Chris, appreciate your feedback

 

[Chris Grant]

Hi Chris. I've noticed Cameron McCarthy's name pop up a few times at the champs, would love to hear a bit more about him?

 

[Chris25]

Hi Chris. I've noticed Cameron McCarthy's name pop up a few times at the champs, would love to hear a bit more about him?

Big, 195cm forward from WA. I've been impressed so far this season, someone from WA really need to step up and be a target and he is doing just that. McCarthy and Marsh are forming a very good partnership up forward. He isn't the most talented player, but neither are the likes of Roughead or Podsiadly and it hasn't stopped them. He uses his size well and can take a strong mark. And while he won't ever be mistaken for a midfielder, he doesn't move too badly all things considering.

Obviously Rodda and Howson were popular on here last season, and that didn't pan out too well. But, I think his added size and presence might see McCarthy have a bit more luck.

 

[Chris Grant]

Thanks Chris, I'll look out for him over the coming weeks

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

I mainly am posting here to be notified of progress - but I thought I'd get your temperature on Nick Holman. What AFL level attributes do you think he possesses and will he get drafted?

 

[philthy05]

i didnt see mitch harvey in your top 3 rounds chris??

not convinced yet? any knocks on him?

port really has to look for life after shultz , and that guy needs to be drafted in the next 2 years to partner with butch in our f50. im liking our chances that mason might come on but you dont put all your eggs in one basket when it comes to key forwards.

 

[Chris25]

i didnt see mitch harvey in your top 3 rounds chris??

not convinced yet? any knocks on him?

I'm probably Harvey's biggest fan on here, but that doesn't mean I'm going to put first round expectations on him. He is doing a great job so far, and would arguably be the All Australian full forward. But he is still raw, and needs to improve his body and fitness still. It's easy to look at his measurements and stats and be impressed though.

 

[Nemisis]

I'm probably Harvey's biggest fan on here, but that doesn't mean I'm going to put first round expectations on him. He is doing a great job so far, and would arguably be the All Australian full forward. But he is still raw, and needs to improve his body and fitness still. It's easy to look at his measurements and stats and be impressed though.

I am officially on the Harvey Band wagon from what I saw today. He hits the packs really hard. The biggest surprise today packet today was how good Harvey is. The other surprise for me was the skill level of Riley Knight

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Big, 195cm forward from WA. I've been impressed so far this season, someone from WA really need to step up and be a target and he is doing just that. McCarthy and Marsh are forming a very good partnership up forward. He isn't the most talented player, but neither are the likes of Roughead or Podsiadly and it hasn't stopped them. He uses his size well and can take a strong mark. And while he won't ever be mistaken for a midfielder, he doesn't move too badly all things considering.

Obviously Rodda and Howson were popular on here last season, and that didn't pan out too well. But, I think his added size and presence might see McCarthy have a bit more luck.

Agility and speed is what separates him from those two. Makes him a slightly more balanced package.

Howson was very strong overhead but he didn't lead too well, Rodda he's quick but his vertical leap and lack of agility hurt his case.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Another youngun with a ripping name I like and would recruit is Yarran Jaffer-Williams to complement His Royal Apeness and Brae McConnell.

Add to that Errin Wasley-Black.

 

[Barrels]

Chriso, asked KM the same question; what's the go with Sean Tighe?

Seems a real hard-luck story in terms of being drafted. Apparently tearing it up as a mobile ruck - through necessity - in the WAFL, but was predominantly a CHB for Werribee. At 23 next year, 199cm and very mobile, and 95-odd kgs is he worth a shot for my lads? We desperately need some height with attached bulk down back after all.

For me its either him and/or Sully from Geelong to fill the KPD spots at the Saints, with Mitch Brown to finally come over from the Duckers.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

I'm probably Harvey's biggest fan on here, but that doesn't mean I'm going to put first round expectations on him. He is doing a great job so far, and would arguably be the All Australian full forward. But he is still raw, and needs to improve his body and fitness still. It's easy to look at his measurements and stats and be impressed though.

Could easily fall to the 3rd round for the Crows or Power to draft.

 

[Nemisis]

Could easily fall to the 3rd round for the Crows or Power to draft.

Yes please

 

[Chris25]

Finally got around to posting the fourth round I put together last week. It's still technically a 'pre Championships' mock, so some players are lower or higher than what I would have them now. But oh well, just good to get some more names out.

 

[Nemisis]

Finally got around to posting the fourth round I put together last week. It's still technically a 'pre Championships' mock, so some players are lower or higher than what I would have them now. But oh well, just good to get some more names out.

The update looks interesting. If I was in Ports shoes I would pick Wilson as my first pick - has x factor to burn - mitch Harvey at 63 is great value and young Bates is a the steal of the draft if he goes late -
I would be happy for Port to get Wilson, Harvey and Bates

 

[themightydoggies]

Finally got around to posting the fourth round I put together last week. It's still technically a 'pre Championships' mock, so some players are lower or higher than what I would have them now. But oh well, just good to get some more names out.

What is your top 5 ATM in this year draft?

 

[Wild Bill]

We play Brisbane in 3 weeks in Brisbane - we drop that game we will finish 14th. With McDonald ranked around the 6th best in this draft what are the chances on GWS, Dees, Saints and Dogs bidding on him? For me GWS and Dees are zero chance and Saints and Dogs small. Would they risk a top 4 draft pick on a kid that is not actually in the top 4 players to be drafted? Looks alot like the Viney situation.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

What is your top 5 ATM in this year draft?

It's on the first page

I know what you mean, but have a bit of patience.

Chris puts a lot of time into this, no doubt he has others things he needs time for as well.

 

[texdog]

I think if the draft goes you have predicted the Bulldogs are more likely to take
Pick 5: Luke Dunstan
Pick 24: Jonathan Marsh
Pick 42: Jonathan Freeman
pick 60: Lloyd Perris (didn't see him on the list, I reckon doggies would give him a shot if Sydney don't)
Do you think this is possible Chris25

 

[themightydoggies]

I think if the draft goes you have predicted the Bulldogs are more likely to take
Pick 5: Luke Dunstan
Pick 24: Jonathan Marsh
Pick 42: Jonathan Freeman
pick 60: Lloyd Perris (didn't see him on the list, I reckon doggies would give him a shot if Sydney don't)
Do you think this is possible Chris25

We don't need another inside mid

 

[texdog]

We don't need another inside mid

he looks from what I have seen a bit of both, inside and out because he always has so much time on the ball.

 

[Chris25]

We play Brisbane in 3 weeks in Brisbane - we drop that game we will finish 14th. With McDonald ranked around the 6th best in this draft what are the chances on GWS, Dees, Saints and Dogs bidding on him? For me GWS and Dees are zero chance and Saints and Dogs small. Would they risk a top 4 draft pick on a kid that is not actually in the top 4 players to be drafted? Looks alot like the Viney situation.

I was going to mention this at some point. I'm not convinced that North will be forced to use their first pick on McDonald. Obviously, the closer to the bottom they finish, the more likely he slips through to their second round pick. But I don't consider him a clear step above the likes of Kelly, Lennon and Crouch. And I'd have him below the top guys in Boyd, Aish and Scharenberg. He looks to be one of a number of players who would be rated anywhere from 5-10ish. My post-Championhips update will likely feature him in the second round.

I think if the draft goes you have predicted the Bulldogs are more likely to take
Pick 5: Luke Dunstan
Pick 24: Jonathan Marsh
Pick 42: Jonathan Freeman
pick 60: Lloyd Perris (didn't see him on the list, I reckon doggies would give him a shot if Sydney don't)
Do you think this is possible Chris25

I personally wouldn't take Dunstan if I were the Bulldogs, and I wouldn't take him that early either. I'd probably look towards Lennon or Bontempelli personally. They just have that extra size and versatility. Could even go early on Garlett, he is just what you guys could use. The rest looks good, even though its unlikely Marsh is available at that pick.

What is your top 5 ATM in this year draft?

It keeps changing, and depends on whether I include my personal favourites or not. Scharenberg, Aish and Boyd would be the top three. At the moment I'm liking Lennon and Dumont, but that could just as easily be Kelly or Crouch. Bontempelli and Salem have also featured at times. Today's top 5 likely won't be the same in a weeks time.

 

[Pykie]

I was going to mention this at some point. I'm not convinced that North will be forced to use their first pick on McDonald. Obviously, the closer to the bottom they finish, the more likely he slips through to their second round pick. But I don't consider him a clear step above the likes of Kelly, Lennon and Crouch. And I'd have him below the top guys in Boyd, Aish and Scharenberg. He looks to be one of a number of players who would be rated anywhere from 5-10ish. My post-Championhips update will likely feature him in the second round..

This is gaining legs with North supporters atm. Would obviously be a huge win in what's turning out to be a pretty disheartening season. But there remains the fact that North have committed to him, it's probably seen as more of a free hit for those clubs below us. However, there is still that inherent risk, the further down the ladder we go, we could pass, and the clubs miss out on who they really want.

I hadn't really considered any of the top prospects, as I never thought we were in with a chance for them, now im considering it a bit more.

I think Bontempelli, Sheed and Salem would be pretty good fits.