Draft Watcher Young Talent Time 2013 - A Phantom Draft

[eaglespremiers]

Interesting. Billings looked a class above at times in last year's champs, I will be surprised if he doesn't go top 10.

Perhaps doesn't quite have the hurt factor of some of the other mids.
Will get 25 - 30 touches in a very unassuming way.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Fair point. Height is very over-rated IMO.

I'm not complaining.. Hopefully we can get Taylor for our second round pick! Just like Hrovat.

Saw Taylor against Coll VFL. Looked really composed and you'd be doing well to get him for a second round pick.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Probably have to put him down as a rookie pick, maybe someone takes him late in the national draft. But I suppose he'd compare to someone like a Kyle Hartigan who was overlooked for years, before finally getting a rookie shot at the Crows.



I wont do a proper one, but for something a little different using the current ladder...

1 GWS - Tom Boyd
2 Melbourne - Marcus Bontempelli
3 Bulldogs - James Aish
4 St Kilda - Ben Lennon
5 Brisbane - Matt Crouch
6 North - Luke McDonald
7 Gold Coast - Matt Scharenberg
8 West Coast - Trent Dumont
9 Carlton - Josh Kelly
10 Collingwood - Dwayne Wilson
11 Richmond - Christian Salem
12 Port Adelaide - Luke Dunstan
13 Fremantle - Darcy Hourigan
14 Sydney - Jack Billings
15 Essendon - Dom Sheed
16 Geelong - Darcy Gardiner
17 Hawthorn - Eli Templeton

18 GWS - Nick Bourke
19 Melbourne - Billy Hartung
20 Bulldogs - Isaiah Miller
21 St Kilda - Lewis Taylor
22 Brisbane - Cain Tickner
23 North - Clayton McCartney
24 Gold Coast - Kade Kolodjashnij
25 West Coast - Jason Cooke

Think that highlights how open the field is, and how you can't really predict much at all until the Championships are played. Just the four KPPs too, which will hopefully change. Speaking of which, people need to get on board with Cain Tickner - at this stage, I'd be bidding pick 20 if I were the Bulldogs.

Wow Bontempelli at 2.
For some reason I feel like that is reaching.
Have I just not seen the best of him in the couple games I've observed?

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Perhaps doesn't quite have the hurt factor of some of the other mids.
Will get 25 - 30 touches in a very unassuming way.

Fair call, can hit the scoreboard though - very smart player, not unlike a Sidebottom except can really hit the scoreboard and take a mark inside 50.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Fair call, can hit the scoreboard though - very smart player, not unlike a Sidebottom except can really hit the scoreboard and take a mark inside 50.

Certainly can kick a goal.
Kelly's a better option IMO.

 

[Thurlow2Mackie]

Brave move to pick a big bodied tall at number 1. Boyd is very good, but he usually has a massive weight advantage on whoever he is playing in junior footy. I watched him live against Tassie and he dominated, but mainly because we, like most teams, have nobody who can actually match his size and strength. He played a lot of the game on a guy who was seven centimetres shorter and fourteen kilos lighter. Or we switched him with someone who was twenty kilos lighter and two centremetres shorter. If he didn't dominate with the amount of ball coming in, it would have been amazing. It is much easier for a massive unit with decent hands and kicking skills to look like a gun at junior levels than for your average sized player.

Not saying Boyd isn't very good and worth a number 1 pick, but if you look at the history of big guys who dominate at junior levels and go early, it is pretty damning. I know Butcher and Patton are early in their careers and have been injury affected, but going back further it still shows that the big guys take ages to develop, seem more prone to injury, usually aren't able to develop to their full potential and are therefore risky picks to use with your number 1, particularly as teams that finish bottom would probably be better of drafting a ready made player, and try and if they want to develop a tall, use a late draft pick or a rookie on someone a bit more raw or mature aged.

I suppose it is risk/reward though. Boyd should be a very good player, and might be worth the risk particularly if the team selecting him has other early picks as well.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Brave move to pick a big bodied tall at number 1. Boyd is very good, but he usually has a massive weight advantage on whoever he is playing in junior footy. I watched him live against Tassie and he dominated, but mainly because we, like most teams, have nobody who can actually match his size and strength. He played a lot of the game on a guy who was seven centimetres shorter and fourteen kilos lighter. Or we switched him with someone who was twenty kilos lighter and two centremetres shorter. If he didn't dominate with the amount of ball coming in, it would have been amazing. It is much easier for a massive unit with decent hands and kicking skills to look like a gun at junior levels than for your average sized player.

Not saying Boyd isn't very good and worth a number 1 pick, but if you look at the history of big guys who dominate at junior levels and go early, it is pretty damning. I know Butcher and Patton are early in their careers and have been injury affected, but going back further it still shows that the big guys take ages to develop, seem more prone to injury, usually aren't able to develop to their full potential and are therefore risky picks to use with your number 1, particularly as teams that finish bottom would probably be better of drafting a ready made player, and try and if they want to develop a tall, use a late draft pick or a rookie on someone a bit more raw or mature aged.

I suppose it is risk/reward though. Boyd should be a very good player, and might be worth the risk particularly if the team selecting him has other early picks as well.

Bit of a default response isn't it?
He'll still be ridiculously hard to match up on at AFL level.
He also seems to dominate nearly every week, so how can you not read into that.
He is also handy in the ruck.
A better version of Watts at the same age IMO, however, I'm not sure GWS will actually take him because of their abundance of tall forwards already. May be not enough room for Patton, Cameron and Boyd in the same forward line.

 

[Thurlow2Mackie]

He also seems to dominate nearly every week, so how can you not read into that.
He is also handy in the ruck.

I do read into that, which is why I say he should be a very good player. However, I am just pointing out the risk in general of taking a guy his size very early in the draft. Not bagging Boyd. All draft picks come with risk, I am just saying the risk is greater with the big guys. They can look better than they are, they tend to be more injury prone, and they usually take four or five years to develop.

The reward is potentially greater as well, since the depth of truly elite big guys at the highest level is pretty low. Whilst most teams have at least one elite midfielder, not all teams have an elite tall.

It is why I say you have to be "brave" to take a Boyd at number 1. Not that you'd have to be "stupid". It is a risky pick in comparison to other potential selections at that pick.

 

[eaglespremiers]

It is why I say you have to be "brave" to take a Boyd at number 1. Not that you'd have to be "stupid". It is a risky pick in comparison to other potential selections at that pick.

Granted, but on talent and output ATM he is a clear no. 1 choice.

 

[Chris Grant]

Granted, but on talent and output ATM he is a clear no. 1 choice.

I don't agree he's the "clear" No 1. Aish has just as much right to go No 1 as Boyd ATM.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Bit of a default response isn't it?
He'll still be ridiculously hard to match up on at AFL level.
He also seems to dominate nearly every week, so how can you not read into that.
He is also handy in the ruck.
A better version of Watts at the same age IMO, however, I'm not sure GWS will actually take him because of their abundance of tall forwards already. May be not enough room for Patton, Cameron and Boyd in the same forward line.

He doesn't have Watts' skill, definitely has him in the physicality stakes though.

I think that in general big powerful boys become big powerful men - Boyd's dominating now, but even strong boys don't mature strength wise until they hit 24-25.

 

[Thurlow2Mackie]

Granted, but on talent and output ATM he is a clear no. 1 choice.

I can agree with that. Looks the goods

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Certainly can kick a goal.
Kelly's a better option IMO.

Kelly can't win the contested ball though, he's like a Gaff except Gaff could still win contested ball at U18 level and will work it into his game when he has the body.

 

[eaglespremiers]

He doesn't have Watts' skill, definitely has him in the physicality stakes though.

True, but Boyd has a gorgeous kick for goal.
Will dob them from 50+ meters without fuss.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Kelly can't win the contested ball though, he's like a Gaff except Gaff could still win contested ball at U18 level and will work it into his game when he has the body.

Was alright in the contested situations on the weekend, though admittedly he does seem to stand a handball away from the contest most of the time.

 

[eaglespremiers]

I don't agree he's the "clear" No 1. Aish has just as much right to go No 1 as Boyd ATM.

Fair enough, but if Aish is the only one you can name that rivals him it certainly suggests that on his merits he can't be considered as merely the type of player who is beating up on those who are smaller than him.

 

[coniglio_number1]

Given that gws have ATM picks 1,10 and 20 would it be possible to land Boyd, Kelly and trade 20 for an experienced player seeing as we can score errin wasley-black via zone

 

[Chris Grant]

Fair enough, but if Aish is the only one you can name that rivals him it certainly suggests that on his merits he can't be considered as merely the type of player who is beating up on those who are smaller than him.

Absolutely, Boyd's very talented in his own right.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Given that gws have ATM picks 1,10 and 20 would it be possible to land Boyd, Kelly and trade 20 for an experienced player seeing as we can score errin wasley-black via zone

Doubt that Kelly would last to pick 10.
It is possible though.

 

[manny100]

Update on Billy Stretch from Demonland.

"SANFL News
11 MAY 2013


SANFL U18 State Squad Red v Blue

SANFL U18 State Squad Red 3.3 9.6 12.9 15.11 (101)
SANFL U18 State Squad Blue 2.1 4.3 6.5 7.6 (48)

BEST -SANFL U/18 Red Best Players: S.Durdin, J. Battersby, O. Fantasia, L. Reynolds, P. Wilson
U/18 Blue Best Players: J. Redden R. Knight S. Wundke C. Combe B. Stretch

GOALS: SANFL U/18 Red: L.Reynolds 3 R. Young 2 P.Wilson 2 B.Stretch 2 Z. Bates 2 O. Fantasia 1 S.Durdin 1 J. Ross 1 J. Hayes 1
SANFL U/18 Blue: T. Hutchesson 1 R. Dijksman 1 R. Knight 1 A. Neal Bullen 1 M. Harvey 1 J. Redden 1 J. Miller 1"

Evidently he got 27 possessions, played well and is the youngest in the squad by 2 months. If he develops really well next year again in the U18's the Demons could be lucky to get him 2nd round as they will likely get a pick 2 - 4 in the first round in 2014.
The Dees need some luck!!!!!

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

The Dees don't need some luck - we need to do something 'right'.

 

[tigs2010]

I think this year we will be looking for midfielders, midfielders and more midfielders. Actually that's what I hope we do.

I expect us to go midfielder, flanker, flanker, flanker, flanker But hey a man can dream.

Outside the first round who are the midfielders who you could see going 2nd round-late or rookie fitting into our criteria of good kick and can win their own footy? Doesn't have to be a contested beast as we need guys to play outside but still be able to go when it's their turn not unlike say Salem.​

 

[Thurlow2Mackie]

I think this year we will be looking for midfielders, midfielders and more midfielders. Actually that's what I hope we do.​

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I expect us to go midfielder, flanker, flanker, flanker, flanker But hey a man can dream.​

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Outside the first round who are the midfielders who you could see going 2nd round-late or rookie fitting into our criteria of good kick and can win their own footy? Doesn't have to be a contested beast as we need guys to play outside but still be able to go when it's their turn not unlike say Salem.​

Eli Templeton might possibly slip that low. Hard to say at this stage where he will end up going and could/should be a lot higher than your late 2nd round pick, but if he is still there at that pick he'd fit the bill perfectly.

 

[tigs2010]

Eli Templeton might possibly slip that low. Hard to say at this stage where he will end up going and could/should be a lot higher than your late 2nd round pick, but if he is still there at that pick he'd fit the bill perfectly.

late 2nd rounder? I barrack for Richmond Can you help me out with what sort of role he would play?

 

[Sin City]

I think this year we will be looking for midfielders, midfielders and more midfielders. Actually that's what I hope we do.

I expect us to go midfielder, flanker, flanker, flanker, flanker But hey a man can dream.

Outside the first round who are the midfielders who you could see going 2nd round-late or rookie fitting into our criteria of good kick and can win their own footy? Doesn't have to be a contested beast as we need guys to play outside but still be able to go when it's their turn not unlike say Salem.​

A lot of guys playing at Sandringham fit that description. Freeman, Amon etc.