Strategy Your ideal starting 22

[Meteoric Rise]

B: Grimes Astbury Broad
HB: Houli Vlastuin Short
C: Pickett Cotchin Caddy
HF: Castagna Edwards Bolton
F: Rioli Lynch Riewoldt
R: Soldo Martin Prestia
INT: Baker Graham Lambert Nankervis

B: DES Garthwaite Nyoun
HB: KMac Balta Stack
C: Naish Ross Turner
HF English Chol Higgins
F: Aarts Miller Markov
R: CCJ RCD Dow
INT: Martyn Ralphsmith Cumberland

With Rances retirement, the only change to the premiership 22 is Graham replacing Ellis in the 22 with Pickett moving to the wing.

With the depth players I want to see them perform well at VFL level before handing them a spot in the 22 as we no longer need to reward kids just because they are young. If we reward their good form in game that will help ensure that our club continues to enjoy success as they will have earned the right to be in the side.

The first spot up for grabs is obviously Rances and it's not just Balta who is in contention, Garthwaite is highly regarded by the club and will be pushing just as hard to try and claim that spot, which all goes well for the future as they will both be forced to earn the spot.

Then there is a couple of midfield spots that will need filling sooner rather than later with Cotchin & Edwards in particular closer to the end than the start of their careers as well. RCD Ross Naish Turner Higgins Dow will all be keen to put their hands up as the heir apparent to those 2 in particular. Again it's going to create a real contest in the VFL for these guys to put their hands up.

Along side Rances departure from the back 6 Houli is another who is coming towards the end of his career and there will be an opportunity down the track for someone to take that rebounding HB role with a couple of good options already in the 22 in Baker & Short with the likes of Stack & DES waiting in the wings.

What this shows is that we're in a very good spot for sustained success, but it will require those depth players to keep pushing to get them best out of themselves.

You must rate your top 22 if Stack is in the seconds. Fully fit, he would be in my top 10 and I could probably narrow it down further as well and have him in the top 6 or 8. Based on what he did on field last season, he would be selected in any team in history imo. Astonished you left him out.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

You must rate your top 22 if Stack is in the seconds. Fully fit, he would be in my top 10 and I could probably narrow it down further as well and have him in the top 6 or 8. Based on what he did on field last season, he would be selected in any team in history imo. Astonished you left him out.

Yep Stacky in for Shorty or Baker if fully fit

 

[Marcel Proust]

You must rate your top 22 if Stack is in the seconds. Fully fit, he would be in my top 10 and I could probably narrow it down further as well and have him in the top 6 or 8. Based on what he did on field last season, he would be selected in any team in history imo. Astonished you left him out.

i dont know about top 6 but i see it as crazy to not have stack in the best 22

rance or no rance

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

B: Grimes Astbury Broad
HB: Houli Vlastuin Short
C: Pickett Cotchin Caddy
HF: Castagna Edwards Bolton
F: Rioli Lynch Riewoldt
R: Soldo Martin Prestia
INT: Baker Graham Lambert Nankervis

B: DES Garthwaite Nyoun
HB: KMac Balta Stack
C: Naish Ross Turner
HF English Chol Higgins
F: Aarts Miller Markov
R: CCJ RCD Dow
INT: Martyn Ralphsmith Cumberland

With Rances retirement, the only change to the premiership 22 is Graham replacing Ellis in the 22 with Pickett moving to the wing.

With the depth players I want to see them perform well at VFL level before handing them a spot in the 22 as we no longer need to reward kids just because they are young. If we reward their good form in game that will help ensure that our club continues to enjoy success as they will have earned the right to be in the side.

The first spot up for grabs is obviously Rances and it's not just Balta who is in contention, Garthwaite is highly regarded by the club and will be pushing just as hard to try and claim that spot, which all goes well for the future as they will both be forced to earn the spot.

Then there is a couple of midfield spots that will need filling sooner rather than later with Cotchin & Edwards in particular closer to the end than the start of their careers as well. RCD Ross Naish Turner Higgins Dow will all be keen to put their hands up as the heir apparent to those 2 in particular. Again it's going to create a real contest in the VFL for these guys to put their hands up.

Along side Rances departure from the back 6 Houli is another who is coming towards the end of his career and there will be an opportunity down the track for someone to take that rebounding HB role with a couple of good options already in the 22 in Baker & Short with the likes of Stack & DES waiting in the wings.

What this shows is that we're in a very good spot for sustained success, but it will require those depth players to keep pushing to get them best out of themselves.

Have you lost your marbles!
Stack in for Short .

 

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Stacky comes in too. Would of 100% been there if fit. Reckon Shorty/Baker would make way.

Agree if fit he would have been there, but he wasn't and I see no reason to drop any of the premiership players remaining at the club, for a second year player.

You must rate your top 22 if Stack is in the seconds. Fully fit, he would be in my top 10 and I could probably narrow it down further as well and have him in the top 6 or 8. Based on what he did on field last season, he would be selected in any team in history imo. Astonished you left him out.

Lets not get carried away. Was a very good debut season, but he lost his spot, needs to out perform those to take their spot.

Have you lost your marbles!
Stack in for Short .

Not at all, I think the club have shown that if your form warrants selection then you keep your spot regardless of how the fans rate you. As I said I see no reason for any of the remaining premiership players to be dropped

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Agree if fit he would have been there, but he wasn't and I see no reason to drop any of the premiership players remaining at the club, for a second year player.

Lets not get carried away. Was a very good debut season, but he lost his spot, needs to out perform those to take their spot.

Not at all, I think the club have shown that if your form warrants selection then you keep your spot regardless of how the fans rate you. As I said I see no reason for any of the remaining premiership players to be dropped

I think we pick the best 22 available regardless of them being premiership players or not. If Stacky is flying come Rd 1 and someone has trained off a bit then the selection committee would be doing the club a disservice picking guys simply cause they played in the granny.


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[mopsy]

I think we pick the best 22 available regardless of them being premiership players or not. If Stacky is flying come Rd 1 and someone has trained off a bit then the selection committee would be doing the club a disservice picking guys simply cause they played in the granny.


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Spot on and its not all about best 22 either all clubs pick some players based on potential and list short comings.And that goes for premiership clubs as well.

If not for injuries my personal opinion is all of Ross Stack, Graham Higgins and Rance would have played in the G/F.

Ross stack Graham and now with Rance gone Balta project fwd as better players than some we have in the team.
I dont get this mentality of oh hes a premiership player so he should not be in competition with others.It really is nonsense imo.

I keep saying it ALL PREMIERSHIP SIDES have had their share of lets call em average players. One way to improve is look for upgrades on those players.

Outside of a handful of players the only thing playing in the g/f should guarantee is their medalion and life membership.
I hope we dont ignore the group of younger players who also won a premiership and because of age have far more improvement left in em than the majority of those who were lucky enough to get a game in the big one..

 

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I think we pick the best 22 available regardless of them being premiership players or not. If Stacky is flying come Rd 1 and someone has trained off a bit then the selection committee would be doing the club a disservice picking guys simply cause they played in the granny.


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As I said I don't see any reason to make any changes at present, unless as you said, someone trains off during summer.

So as it stands my ideal side is the one I picked which is based on their last performance.

I don't think we need to hand games to players based on their potential like we used to. We make players force their way into the side through being better than those already there, that's how we will maintain our success

 

[Vassp]

Stack, much better upside than Rioli and George, short can keep his spot and just play stack up forwards when his tank has improved, he will kick 2 goals a game.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

As I said I don't see any reason to make any changes at present, unless as you said, someone trains off during summer.

So as it stands my ideal side is the one I picked which is based on their last performance.

I don't think we need to hand games to players based on their potential like we used to. We make players force their way into the side through being better than those already there, that's how we will maintain our success

Yeah so it comes down to 'Your ideal starting 22'

Stacky definitely is in that, for me anyway.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Agree if fit he would have been there, but he wasn't and I see no reason to drop any of the premiership players remaining at the club, for a second year player.

Lets not get carried away. Was a very good debut season, but he lost his spot, needs to out perform those to take their spot.

Not at all, I think the club have shown that if your form warrants selection then you keep your spot regardless of how the fans rate you. As I said I see no reason for any of the remaining premiership players to be dropped

GF team never play together again.2018 rnd 1:IN:Short/C Ellis/Bolton & Conca.There's always change.
2020 won't be different.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Stack, much better upside than Rioli and George, short can keep his spot and just play stack up forwards when his tank has improved, he will kick 2 goals a game.

Would have agreed with you on George 12 mnths ago.Not anymore.His goalkicking is shocking but to kick 0.5 in a GF means he's getting the ball at least.Masterstoke by Dimma to give him some time in the midfield.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

GF team never play together again.2018 rnd 1:IN:Short/C Ellis/Bolton & Conca.There's always change.
2020 won't be different.

Well yeah Ellis is already out but your spot on.

The 22 that played in the GF were extremely lucky. Some may have not been there for other injuries but they played and played well. Reckon we have moved on from gifting games and will pick the best 22 available each week according to match-ups, gameplan and the like

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Well yeah Ellis is already out but your spot on.

The 22 that played in the GF were extremely lucky. Some may have not been there for other injuries but they played and played well. Reckon we have moved on from gifting games and will pick the best 22 available each week according to match-ups, gameplan and the like

Hate to be on the MC next year.
Maybe some more fake injuries are in order.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Hate to be on the MC next year.
Maybe some more fake injuries are in order.

I think you'll find the one thing we do is 'manage' our older guys a lot more next season especially early on

 

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GF team never play together again.2018 rnd 1:IN:Short/C Ellis/Bolton & Conca.There's always change.
2020 won't be different.

In Graham
Out BEllis

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

I don't think we need to hand games to players based on their potential like we used to. We make players force their way into the side through being better than those already there, that's how we will maintain our success

As most on here have pointed out RT, Stack will very likely be in the team R1, and it is not on "potential". His performances before getting injured were off the charts. It would be like suggesting Carlton put Walsh in the 2s to prove he deserves a spot because he's a 2nd year player. Thr premiership team deserving to hold their spot for the next year is not something I think the match committee agree with.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

In Graham
Out BEllis

Graham is a given if fit.
Stack for Short IMO.

 

[Vassp]

Would have agreed with you on George 12 mnths ago.Not anymore.His goalkicking is shocking but to kick 0.5 in a GF means he's getting the ball at least.Masterstoke by Dimma to give him some time in the midfield.

Stack wouldve kicked 3 of those easily and possibly 4, George is improving but his shots at goal would be worst in our team. Stack is a finisher.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Stack wouldve kicked 3 of those easily and possibly 4, George is improving but his shots at goal would be worst in our team. Stack is a finisher.

No question in regards to kicking for goal.He make Richo look like Lockett.His value to the team is his speed & pressure.
I love Stack off the HBF.

 

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Yeah so it comes down to 'Your ideal starting 22'

Stacky definitely is in that, for me anyway.

Don't necessarily disagree I just think that we will maintain the 22 that won the flag unless there is a drop off from guys over the summer.

FWIW my ideal long term (starting 2023) line up is:

B: Broad Garthwaite Vlastuin
HB: DES Balta Stack
C: Naish Graham Turner
HF: Castagna Lynch Bolton
F: Rioli CCJ Martin
R: Soldo RCD Ross
INT: Higgins Short Baker Dow

 

[Vassp]

No question in regards to kicking for goal.He make Richo look like Lockett.His value to the team is his speed & pressure.
I love Stack off the HBF.

I love George's speed and tackling, for us to get next level we would need shai and stack up forward to chase and tackle and to finish.
We would be deadly cause both those players could kick 4 goals each on occasion.
Now if George could kick straight he would be devastating.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

I love George's speed and tackling, for us to get next level we would need shai and stack up forward to chase and tackle and to finish.
We would be deadly cause both those players could kick 4 goals each on occasion.
Now if George could kick straight he would be devastating.

Hes still a work in progress. Took a massive courageous mark and kicked truly around the corner in the Prelim to put us in front from memory. As frustrating as he can be there are others coming out of the side before Georgie boy.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I love George's speed and tackling, for us to get next level we would need shai and stack up forward to chase and tackle and to finish.
We would be deadly cause both those players could kick 4 goals each on occasion.
Now if George could kick straight he would be devastating.

All 3 are in for me.

 

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As most on here have pointed out RT, Stack will very likely be in the team R1, and it is not on "potential". His performances before getting injured were off the charts. It would be like suggesting Carlton put Walsh in the 2s to prove he deserves a spot because he's a 2nd year player. Thr premiership team deserving to hold their spot for the next year is not something I think the match committee agree with.

There is a difference between us and Carlton in that they have to play their highly rated kids because they don't have a list that is as deep as ours.

Also unlike us fans the MC doesn't select the side based on who they like more they pick it based on form and on form guys like Baker & Short deserve to hold their spots as it stands right now. If they have a poor summer then there is every chance of more than just the one change, that I think there should be.