Why does StK have this salary cap problem - who on earth is getting all the coin!!! $8m is alot to spend on that list.
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Zac walks out of St. Kilda
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Ball showed what sort of a clubman he really is.
He showed what sort of clubman and player he is in 2010...or didn't you notice?
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these guys would all be on a bit of coin and they have other who will want more $$$ on their next contract.
Riewoldt, Dal Santo, Goddard,Montagna, Gilbert, Gram(maybe), Hayes(maybe), Mline, Ray(Maybe)
At worst that will keep him off the streets of Frankston.
Exactly how many goals has Slack Dawson kicked in his career ?
I think your stretching it a bit to include in his skills that he usually bags a goal when he goes forward.
Dawson gives away to many free kicks for a full back and he isn't predictable to his teammates in the way he plays. If I was a Saints fan I would be happy to see the back of him.
He rarely goes forward but the few times he has in the last couple of years he has jagged one. Sure it is not a biggy but it is an extra element.
I think one of the successes with the Saints defense is that they know exactly how each other play, Zac included so I won't give you that one. Yes he gives a few kicks away but very hard no to nowadays as a key defender.
I don't think he is critical to Saints but we have no walk up replacement so he will be missed if he goes.
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I agree Zac will leave a hole in the Saints defence. Saints like having Fisher as the spare man in defence but he will need to be more accountable next year. There are a lot of Zac's at other clubs. They are required and can be maligned by their supporters or easy targets for other supporters.
Thompson at the Roos, Shoenmaker at the Hawks, Hooker at the Bombers, Bower at the Blues, Warnock at the Dees (gone now), Rance at Richmond, Tom Williams at the Dogs - even Mackie at the Cats and Maxwell at the Pies.
As much as Zac cops it he will be handy for Freo - it will free up McPharlin more who will be able to play the Sam Fisher role. My opinion is every team needs a Zac Dawson and most have one!
Some of those you have named are either younger than Dawson (hence with upside) or dont neccessarily play key position. You're especialy harsh on Rance and Hooker imo.
His former St Kilda team mates and his current Collingwood team mates know exactly what sort of person he is which is entirely the point about how he was handled at St Kilda. He'll play for almost minimum wage in 2012. He didn't move for money he moved because he was not appreciated and poorly handled by Ross Lyon.Ball showed what sort of a clubman he really is.
But they are all maligned back man that play a role at their club - but not a club favourite. All between 190-195 cm. Tigers believe Rance directly contribute too 3 opposition goals per game. Hooker was packing his bag for QLD a week a go. Just add Benny Hill music to his chase on Buddy last year. Comedy gold
Dawson was voted best finals player in 2010. That is football at a very good level.
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The reasons that he apparently left according to you show he wasnt a clubman at all. If every player sooked up and left his club after his coach asked them to work on areas of there game thered be mass walkouts each year. Great players and clubman take it on the chin and work there arse off.
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You mean i'm not in the " Collingwood Forever " thread
Puzzling, isn't it? They're like flies on shit.
Hmm, could have had Will Thursfield for less coin if that is his sole role and objective, spoiling.
Personally I feel Dawson is overated and somewhat soft, especially when he played against Barry Hall he looked like a frightened deer.
Oh well, Lyon bringing him over to Freo reminds me of Wallace bringing McMahon over to Richmond. And we know how that ended.
Oh you missed your calling - you should have been a comedian Humpy
Rattling on about Luke Ball not being a clubman. Ex Saints captain who stood down from the captaincy when he had osteitus pubis.
His handling was butchered by Ross Lyon (the epitomy of "club loyalty" at the Saints) and David "the bubble" Missen (another "loyal saint" - gone to Melbourne).
Missen admits in his book that Lyon had lost faith in Ball and the contract offered him was "much reduced".
Pies fitness guru David Buttifant helped Ball manage his condition better.
Buttifant as quoted in The Age:
"Buttifant pauses before nominating Ball as the most professional player he has come across in his long career at Collingwood, but only briefly. The midfielder, he said, gets into the club before any other player, is always last to leave, and fills every second of the time in between, the best way he knows how." - (obviously not a clubman?!)
and ....."Ball's average 20-metre sprint time during the last pre-season was around the 2.80 second mark. That's quick."
Move on...Ball has, Lyon has, Missen has...
Hmm, could have had Will Thursfield for less coin if that is his sole role and objective, spoiling.
Personally I feel Dawson is overated and somewhat soft, especially when he played against Barry Hall he looked like a frightened deer.
Oh well, Lyon bringing him over to Freo reminds me of Wallace bringing McMahon over to Richmond. And we know how that ended.
I think you're missing the point.
Getting McMahon cost you Callan Ward. Getting Dawson would cost Freo nothing.
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Oh you missed your calling - you should have been a comedian Humpy
Rattling on about Luke Ball not being a clubman. Ex Saints captain who stood down from the captaincy when he had osteitus pubis.
His handling was butchered by Ross Lyon (the epitomy of "club loyalty" at the Saints) and David "the bubble" Missen (another "loyal saint" - gone to Melbourne).
Missen admits in his book that Lyon had lost faith in Ball and the contract offered him was "much reduced".
Pies fitness guru David Buttifant helped Ball manage his condition better.
Buttifant as quoted in The Age:
"Buttifant pauses before nominating Ball as the most professional player he has come across in his long career at Collingwood, but only briefly. The midfielder, he said, gets into the club before any other player, is always last to leave, and fills every second of the time in between, the best way he knows how." - (obviously not a clubman?!)
and ....."Ball's average 20-metre sprint time during the last pre-season was around the 2.80 second mark. That's quick."
Move on...Ball has, Lyon has, Missen has...
Great so he decided to work on the things Lyon suggested he had to. Only thing is he burnt his mates for money and for a pat on the back from a new club. Probably as low as you get in a sporting sence.
Thanks for the input SS.
Probably the most considered post om matchups for the Saints' backline.
I still think you neesd another tall as backup...hopefully Saints can pick up someone useful in the Pre-season draft.
Thanks for the input SS.
Probably the most considered post om matchups for the Saints' backline.
I still think you neesd another tall as backup...hopefully Saints can pick up someone useful in the Pre-season draft.
Much as I am hesitant to suggest it, Setanta comes to mind.
Could be useful backup in the forwardline, ruck, or backline.
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Who's word do you believe Humpy - Ball or Lyon?
Lyon never had a pact with a group of mates then burn them.
I will agree to disagree...
My family are diehard Saints fans and are split 50/50 over this issue. I find it sad all round.
I think it is hard to remain at a club when you feel you are not receiving faith and support from the coaching staff.
Money-wise Ball is not earning much more than he would had received at the Saints.
Not a good situation when you think you are being replaced in the main team. Hard to keep a pact if your not picked in the side and are isolated. Other players in the club had more shortcomings than Ball - on and off the field and were still considered favourably.
Re Lyon and pacts....never used the word LOYALTY..
Then of course..."IN sacked Saint Andrew Lovett's first time-trial, he came last, 50m behind a 200cm rookie."
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