Review Cats beat Lions by 10 points.

[allrighty]

And he didn't come through the draft traditionally. Originally from Mount Gambier, he made the move late to the sanfl & Glenelg. A few yrs after a premiership player with the bays then bingo....to us luckily.

Could be wrong but it seems whenever we get a run going and snag a few Close is right in the chain

 

[allrighty]

Bloody oath.... if you watch Roaming Zac Tuhoy of the offical cats app, there no hidding them, Shark, Mitch Duncan with a Great Northern Can, and the box of Great Northern Box on the table..

Are they real or the no alcohol ones?

 

[Goggin Our Best]

On Hawkins, it’s probably multiple reasons why he hasn’t kicked more goals but a pretty strong indication it is more about the era of football than his limitations is that two contemporaries who started within 12 months of him are also within 40 odd goals of him. The list also shows what a freak Franklin is to have kicked 1000 in this era. Peerless.

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I rate Doug Wade a superior FF to Tom Hawkins - Wadey could take screamers - one against Haw at KP in the goalscore - might have been over Don Scott

And when he went to Nth Melb - and well in his 30s - against Coll ( who were a very good team ) in a game at Arden St - he kicked 7 goals all in the last qtr

 

[FredLeDeux]

I rate Doug Wade a superior FF to Tom Hawkins - Wadey could take screamers - one against Haw at KP in the goalscore - might have been over Don Scott

And when he went to Nth Melb - and well in his 30s - against Coll ( who were a very good team ) in a game at Arden St - he kicked 7 goals all in the last qtr

Wade would also have kicked significantly more than 1057 goals if the Out of Bounds on the Full Rule had been in operation for the first 7 or 8 years of his career; he may well have finished ahead of Dunstall, and possibly even Coventry.

 

[catempire]

I rate Doug Wade a superior FF to Tom Hawkins - Wadey could take screamers - one against Haw at KP in the goalscore - might have been over Don Scott

And when he went to Nth Melb - and well in his 30s - against Coll ( who were a very good team ) in a game at Arden St - he kicked 7 goals all in the last qtr

The numbers support that view. Very different eras obviously.

 

[Seeds]

Wade would also have kicked significantly more than 1057 goals if the Out of Bounds on the Full Rule had been in operation for the first 7 or 8 years of his career; he may well have finished ahead of Dunstall, and possibly even Coventry.

how would of the out on the bounds rule helped his goal kicking?

 

[Seeds]

The numbers support that view. Very different eras obviously.

but didnt you just literally state hawkins numbers were low due to the era and gamestyle and not lower because he had less ability?

 

[FredLeDeux]

how would of the out on the bounds rule helped his goal kicking?

It's a matter of historical fact that the rule change immediately resulted in faster, more open play, more goals, and higher tallies for full forwards.
Were you seriously not aware of this?

 

[catempire]

but didnt you just literally state hawkins numbers were low due to the era and gamestyle and not lower because he had less ability?

Yep. Because his contemporaries are also low, except Franklin.

 

[foxdog50]

Are they real or the no alcohol ones?

Real ...

 

[allrighty]

Wade would also have kicked significantly more than 1057 goals if the Out of Bounds on the Full Rule had been in operation for the first 7 or 8 years of his career; he may well have finished ahead of Dunstall, and possibly even Coventry.

Great FF, great guy loved by all

 

[Seeds]

It's a matter of historical fact that the rule change immediately resulted in faster, more open play, more goals, and higher tallies for full forwards.
Were you seriously not aware of this?

Interesting stats analysis on the subject. Adjusts goal kicking records to account for the differences in goals per game across different eras and the distribution of goals per game across different eras.

Era-adjusted VFL/AFL goals - InsightLane

The approach to my era-adjusted goal tallies across VFL/AFL history is outlined in this blog post but will continue to be updated over time. The baseline or benchmark for the era-adjusted goals has been set at the VFL/AFL league averages between 1897-2018 – the point at which I first undertook...

insightlane.com

the 90s fowards get downgraded the most. Wade gets downgraded a little bit.

Ofcourse this analysis makes no adjustment for age nor time spent playing as the key foward vs up the field.

 

[Seeds]

Yep. Because his contemporaries are also low, except Franklin.

So how do you claim wades numbers make him better then?

 

[cats_09]

 

[catempire]

So how do you claim wades numbers make him better then?

I literally acknowledged that they are very different eras.

 

[Turbocat]

No I get that but really the only level above him is the genuine forward immortals

Yep. He has played more than most thought he would , probably anyone his body shape should and the era is a different one than Lockett etc. Take all those things into account and he has been HOF player for Geelong

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

On Hawkins, it’s probably multiple reasons why he hasn’t kicked more goals but a pretty strong indication it is more about the era of football than his limitations is that two contemporaries who started within 12 months of him are also within 40 odd goals of him. The list also shows what a freak Franklin is to have kicked 1000 in this era. Peerless.

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Agree about Buddy but how do you assess Ablett Snr?
Averages 4.2 across his career but only played as a FF for a few seasons at an average well over 5 per game.
Similarly he’s averaged over 3 as a wing , high half forward- stunning stuff

 

[juzcat]

We have a fair bit of speed across the ground now. Its awesome.

Yeah good point
Thinking about it, Stengle, Close, Narkle, Holmes, Issac Smith (due to insane kicking depth) = Fast additions in 2 years
Higgins, Esava, Selwood = subtract slowness.
No disrespect to Joel


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[BORIS332]

Anyone up for counting who attended centre bounces?

Against a top tier opposition. We had a lot of Parfitt, Narkle and O'Connor in there.

It’s on the AFL app these days. Not the combinations, but the centre bounce attendances:

 

[BORIS332]

Got to admit, when Stewy went out I thought we had little chance.
But we actually outplayed Brisbane all night. The only reason it was close was because we wasted so many chances.

Blits playing the role they want Sav to play makes us a better team.
SDK played his best game so far. There will come a time when he will mark everything that comes his way. Very promising.
Holmes continued to impress.
Close is a gun. Does all the little things.

Overall a great win

Blicavs played a completely different role to what Esava was playing. Esava was primarily taking the centre bounce ruck contests. Only 4 of Blicavs’ 37 ruck contests were at the centre bounce.

 

[Cataholic]

Was channel surfing Fox last night, and happened to pass The Bounce just as Gaze went on a rant about the Hawkins push and how the Lions have now been 'robbed twice' in Geelong.

 

[Seeds]

I literally acknowledged that they are very different eras.

ok got it. You think Wade not necessarily better then hawkins based on numbers because of different eras despite supporting a post that claimed he was clearly better based on numbers.

see the link i posted where the goals are adjusted for eras. makes hawkins more proflic then richardson but wade still on top of hawkins Comfortably. seems like you were right.

 

[xtatik222k]

Was channel surfing Fox last night, and happened to pass The Bounce just as Gaze went on a rant about the Hawkins push and how the Lions have now been 'robbed twice' in Geelong.

In their defense, I'd be ropeable too in their shoes. You don't want dubious free kicks in the dying minutes - it invalidates the game and brings the umpiring into disrepute. Also fuels the narrative for opposition teams who have to play us in Geelong and feel like it's a 'cheat ground' etc. Hawkins shouldn't have been paid the mark. But of course, everyone forgets that a clear in the back free wasn't paid to us inside 50 only moments later. It's just the nature of the game.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Was channel surfing Fox last night, and happened to pass The Bounce just as Gaze went on a rant about the Hawkins push and how the Lions have now been 'robbed twice' in Geelong.

Gaze is a bandwagon Hawks fan I wouldn't take too much notice of what he says. He's a reason I stopped watching the show.

 

[Seeds]

In their defense, I'd be ropeable too in their shoes. You don't want dubious free kicks in the dying minutes - it invalidates the game and brings the umpiring into disrepute. Also fuels the narrative for opposition teams who have to play us in Geelong and feel like it's a 'cheat ground' etc. Hawkins shouldn't have been paid the mark. But of course, everyone forgets that a clear in the back free wasn't paid to us inside 50 only moments later. It's just the nature of the game.

Therefore why would you be ropeable given you got an even upper just moments later?

no one talks about the brisbane throw that wasnt called a minute out from the end of the game last year that nearly got brisbane unfairly over the line (And lets just ignore the eight shots on goal from ump frees the lions got that game). Blicavs non holding the ball decision was the even upper that balanced it out. Yet the media only discusses the geelong ones. Its f*** disgraceful.