List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[hey shorty]

Imagine Curnow with our development and fitness programs at that time ? He'd have needed his legs amputated because we wouldnt have put him in for surgeries.

And id still take Thilthorpe over Logan Mc now and likely at any stage in the future. Of the 4 single digit picks, 3 of them are in our best 22 players.


Anyways..... Tom Browne (LOL) thinks GWS are likely to lose one of Taranto or Hopper, surely we can get in on that ??

 

[Thetrader15]

Imagine Curnow with our development and fitness programs at that time ? He'd have needed his legs amputated because we wouldnt have put him in for surgeries.

And id still take Thilthorpe over Logan Mc now and likely at any stage in the future. Of the 4 single digit picks, 3 of them are in our best 22 players.


Anyways..... Tom Browne (LOL) thinks GWS are likely to lose one of Taranto or Hopper, surely we can get in on that ??

I do like the idea of Hopper, but is he more of the same?

 

[LeftyLuke]

Harsh on Sammy Kerridge.

Kicked six goals in a half once, making him easily our best first round draft pick ever.

The Marvel specialist.

 

[LeftyLuke]

I do like the idea of Hopper, but is he more of the same?

No.

 

[BrissyCrow]

2006 - Pick 14 - Sellar - didn't make it, poor pick - Should have picked Shane Edwards
2007 - Pick 10 - Dangerfield - poor skills, plus we couldn't even keep him, got nothing in return - Should have picked Cyril Rioli
2008 - Pick 10 - Phil Davis - left for money, KPD, it's a waste of a first round pick on a KPD when you can get them late in the draft - - Should have picked Sidebottom, Beams or Hannerbery
2009 - Pick 13 - Talia - Too defensive, not worth a first round for a KPD - Should have picked Nat Fyfe
2010 - Pick 14 - Brodie Smith - at best a HBF, not worthy of a first round pick. - Should have picked Cam Guthrie or Luke Parker

Is that how it's done?

No wonder we wanted to tell Rendell to move on!

Hindsight is a wonderful thing however I agree that we have stuffed up our selections especially in 2016 and 2018. Selecting Fog in 2017 at the time wasnt seen as a stuff up. Many on here were excited and couldnt believe that Fog was still available with our pick. Pretty hard to kick the selectors on the Fog pick. But 2016 and 2018 were major stuff ups.

 

[George Kramer]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing however I agree that we have stuffed up our selections especially in 2016 and 2018. Selecting Fog in 2017 at the time wasnt seen as a stuff up. Many on here were excited and couldnt believe that Fog was still available with our pick. Pretty hard to kick the selectors on the Fog pick. But 2016 and 2018 were major stuff ups.

Yes you can. Most posters on here don’t have a clue re draftees besides what we read on here. Those doing the selecting are meant to be the experts and foresee potential issues adapting to the AFL. Fog slipped for a reason.

This board didn’t agree with Danger and Doedee but who cares, Rendell and Ogilvie got it right and we move on.

 

[ABAB]

Harsh on Sammy Kerridge.

Kicked six goals in a half once, making him easily our best first round draft pick ever.

And was looking very good the first few years at Carlton and then somehow got delisted. His statistic in 2018 actually looks similar to his career best year in 2016.

 

[ABAB]

To be fair, Curnow has been injured for most of his time at Carlton. Showing what he can do now he is injury free and it is high end stuff, but if we had him and year after year he could barely play, the jungle drums would have been beating loudly that he was a fail

Milera showed high end stuff in his previous years before his consecutive years of serious injuries in 2020 and 2021.

 

[ABAB]

Yes you can. Most posters on here don’t have a clue re draftees besides what we read on here. Those doing the selecting are meant to be the experts and foresee potential issues adapting to the AFL. Fog slipped for a reason.

This board didn’t agree with Danger and Doedee but who cares, Rendell and Ogilvie got it right and we move on.

Fogarty slipped because he was injured before the championship and the combine so clubs wasn't able to gauge whether he is a KPF or midfielder (now we know it's 80/20 midfield or bust).

 

[rabidcrow]

So everyone is crap? You seem to throw back-handers at even our best picks?

Lever - third tall who we couldn’t retain
Doedee - very limited 3rd tall
Thilthorpe - how many pundits will prefer Logan McDonald in 2 years
Rachele - looking good until the last month, where he has looked far from good.

I do agree that our picks have not been up-to-scratch, but these 4 are surely a tick in anyone's book. My biggest issue with recent decisions is the way we appear to not take the best football player and instead fall back on the local/good family crapola. We then leave too much in the hands of trades, which we struggle at because our team is in Adelaide.

BTW, out of curiosity, I looked back at the previous 5 years' (before your list) 1st round picks:

2006 - Pick 14 - Sellar
2007 - Pick 10 - Dangerfield
2008 - Pick 10 - Phil Davis
2009 - Pick 13 - Talia
2010 - Pick 14 - Brodie Smith

Not too shabby, 4 out of 5 All-Australians?

What happened not long after 2010 to change our selection fortunes so badly?


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[George Kramer]

Fogarty slipped because he was injured before the championship and the combine so clubs wasn't able to gauge whether he is a KPF or midfielder (now we know it's 80/20 midfield or bust).

Which clubs recruiters told you that?

 

[ABAB]

Which clubs recruiters told you that?

Just basic football knowledge after reading draft reports written by experts. Clearly you need to do this more to gain more basic football knowledge since you didn't know Fogarty was seen as a midfielder as well during his draft year.....

 

[Mutineer]

Which clubs recruiters told you that?

It's on the record mate, Twomey quoted recruiters he'd spoken to who had exactly those concerns if you google it.

 

[Sanders]

Most draft bids are because you rate that player at that pick. Occasionally there is some alternative motive, but i doubt there was one with Thomas.

Do you think teams put as much time and effort into scouting players not available to them?

Do you think they should?

 

[Sanders]

No.

Yes

 

[Sanders]

I do like the idea of Hopper, but is he more of the same?

Yes

 

[Sanders]

Fogarty slipped because he was injured before the championship and the combine so clubs wasn't able to gauge whether he is a KPF or midfielder (now we know it's 80/20 midfield or bust).

Imagine saying this with a straight face. Not even basic

 

[Sanders]

It's on the record mate, Twomey quoted recruiters he'd spoken to who had exactly those concerns if you google it.

Utter rubbish. Clubs were waiting to the championships to see what type of player he was?!?

That they hadn’t seen him before?!?

C’mon

 

[ABAB]

It's on the record mate, Twomey quoted recruiters he'd spoken to who had exactly those concerns if you google it.

Not sure how Elite Crow gain basic football knowledge then......

 

[Sanders]

Not sure how Elite Crow gain basic football knowledge then......

Pay your bets

 

[George Kramer]

It's on the record mate, Twomey quoted recruiters he'd spoken to who had exactly those concerns if you google it.

So we guessed that he would be a forward despite not having the attributes of a key forward

 

[Sanders]

Nothing here about teams not knowing who he was because he missed the championships

Callum Twomey's 2017 Phantom Draft

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Brett Anderson's 2017 AFL Mock Draft

There is plenty of uncertainty surrounding who will go where in this year's NAB AFL Draft – even at No.1. We predict every pick here.

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Matt Balmer’s 2017 Phantom Draft

Well it’s been a strange season. As they say – you’re only as good as your last Phantom Draft. With one of the more even top 10s in recent years, clubs have varying draft boards and it makes for another unpredictable draft night. The depth of the 2017 draft isn’t as strong as last year […]

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[Mutineer]

So we guessed that he would be a forward despite not having the attributes of a key forward

He'd played both forward and midfield in his under age year and even in his limited games in his top age year and looked OK at both moreso on his under age year.

I think most saw him more as a forward though especially with the concerns over his lack of endurance which might still be an issue?

 

[ABAB]

So we guessed that he would be a forward despite not having the attributes of a key forward

There wasn't any guessing, he can play KPF or midfield at U18 level but development has stalled with his ability to consistently play as a KPF (still does show on occasion he can with those contested marks late in the 3rd quarter and in his first year).

 

[George Kramer]

There wasn't any guessing, he can play KPF or midfield at U18 level but development has stalled with his ability to consistently play as a KPF (still does show on occasion he can with those contested marks late in the 3rd quarter and in his first year).

Hang on you said he drifted because he was injured and clubs didn’t know if he was a forward or mid, so either we had some special psychic abilities and knew or we guessed. Given his form as a KPF has mostly sucked, we got the pick wrong either way.