List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[Mostyn]

Definately not the only option. You have the mid season draft of course, but Tillthorpe being a full time ruck, which is his best position anyway, would surely be the play. We actually used Borlase this year instead of Strachan. Anyone who saw Grundy throwing Strachan around like a rag doll is aware that we simply couldn’t be competitive if he was our first ruck all year.

And god no to drafting a ruckman. Goad in a couple of years, or any number of other established rucks as they come out of contract, but don’t waste a pick and 5 years of development for the small chance they turn out reasonable.

You probably won't get many folks here agreeing with you, but I think a lot of what you say makes sense.

 

[Mutineer]

Yeah, that's fair enough.

I haven't kept Himmelburg, but you could make a case to do that and pay out Strachan.

Has Adelaide ever paid out a contracted player?
Come to think of it how often does it happen across the AFL for other than off field/cultural reasons?

 

[jackster83]

Has Adelaide ever paid out a contracted player?
Come to think of it how often does it happen across the AFL for other than off field/cultural reasons?

Menzel was the last I think (not counting Stengle).

 

[Anzacpaul]

Bailey Smith

3

Bailey Smith

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

has requested a trade. Too bad we'd be no chance.

 

[1970crow]

GOING
Elliot Himmelberg - free agent, no compo
Rory Sloane
Lachlan Gollant
Ned McHenry
Will Hamill (R)
Patrick Parnell (R)
Burgess?

MOVED TO ROOKIE LIST
Toby Murray
Brodie Smith

So, we're cutting reasonably deeply at the moment. Maybe you trade Keane - but will the kid at pick 22 or so be any better?

Other than that, who are you delisting? I guess you could delist Schoenberg, but I think they want to give him a year back from his injury and will decide this year. Maybe cut Strachan early and trade for a different backup?

I don't think we're making minimal changes, though.

4, including a bloke who should have been cut last year, is cutting deeply?? Are you kidding or what?

 

[1970crow]

Still think there’s a player in Cook but once again don’t see why we didn’t just offer the one year for list flexibility. Surely other clubs aren’t offering him two years.

There's lots of examples of 2 year extensions that should have been singles.

 

[Mutineer]

Menzel was the last I think (not counting Stengle).

Pretty sure I read somewhere he's retiring at the end of the season from the SANFL too.

So much talent, so little application and desire unfortunately.

Anyone that watched his junior footy would have thought he was a future AFL star no doubt.

 

[Sizzlepack]

Is there a league wide ladder for this.

Yes, you can find it on Wheelo.

Keays is #1 league-wide by a significant distance. Rest of the top 10:

Tyler Brockman – 30.4%
Rhylee West – 25%
Marlion Pickett – 22.2%
Finlay Macrae – 22.2%
Bailey Humphrey – 22%
Pat Lipinski – 21.9%
Josh Daicos – 21.9%
Steele Sidebottom – 19.4%
Ben Hobbs – 19%

 

[1970crow]

Reid is an idiot.

Reid is a single vote on a committee of at least 4. It's unfair to isolate him. Our List Management group are incompetent idiots is what we should be saying. Just like we should be blaming the entire board for extending Nix, it's not one person doing it. They all need to go.

 

[1970crow]

Has Adelaide ever paid out a contracted player?
Come to think of it how often does it happen across the AFL for other than off field/cultural reasons?

Brown and Gibbs. The only other contracted players we moved on were JJ and Betts and that was because we believed them to be the camp troublemakers. Otherwise, if you've got a contract at our club, you can just wither on the vine and we'll be perfectly happy to use your spot to watch that happen.

 

[MRB37]

The Bond one is baffling.
He has shown he has a role, and that he can perform at a high level in that role. So why is he left hanging?
I'm more certain of Bond's position in the team than I am of Berry, yet we signed Berry for two years.

It makes no sense.

Part of me thinks they see Jones going back into that spot with a big pre-season, so Bond will be back into the reserves without a clear position back into the AFL side when you add Laird back there too.

 

[MRB37]

Pretty sure I read somewhere he's retiring at the end of the season from the SANFL too.

So much talent, so little application and desire unfortunately.

Anyone that watched his junior footy would have thought he was a future AFL star no doubt.

His main interest seems to lie in playing Saturday footy and then going down to the Grove for a piss-up Saturday night.

Nothing wrong with it, but he had more than enough talent to be a good AFL player if he wanted it.

 

[El Doederino]

Wouldn't be surprised if Bond has offers from other clubs

 

[Mutineer]

Yes, you can find it on Wheelo.

Keays is #1 league-wide by a significant distance. Rest of the top 10:

Tyler Brockman – 30.4%
Rhylee West – 25%
Marlion Pickett – 22.2%
Finlay Macrae – 22.2%
Bailey Humphrey – 22%
Pat Lipinski – 21.9%
Josh Daicos – 21.9%
Steele Sidebottom – 19.4%
Ben Hobbs – 19%

And virtually all of them aren't full time mids and/or regular best 22 players so the original post by JADelaide is flawed and virtually means nought in comparison to all full time mids.

 

[Vader]

I haven't seen Bearded Clam, using his impeccable player judgement, to lambast Ben Keays recently ......could it be he was wrong about being a useless footballer, delist insistent.

We eagerly await his next kiss of death assessment .....will be a Brownlow certainty on Clams performance

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There's a reason why his name has an * next to it, which is explained in small print at the bottom.

Both Keays & Michalanney attended less than 10% of all centre bounces, so their numbers are coming from a very small sample size - and may not be statistically reliable. Most lists of this nature filter out the outliers like these, by applying a minimum number of CBAs to qualify.

Mind you, I'm all for having a go at BC over their irrational hatred of Keays.

** Keays had 8 Centre Clearances for the entire 2024 season. That ranks him equal 145th across the whole AFL.

 

[Mutineer]

I haven't seen Bearded Clam, using his impeccable player judgement, to lambast Ben Keays recently ......could it be he was wrong about being a useless footballer, delist insistent.

We eagerly await his next kiss of death assessment .....will be a Brownlow certainty on Clams performance

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Shock horror for you Wayno...

Matty Crouch is still our best centre clearance player and by a fair margin, ranked =9th in the AFL with Patrick Dangerfield. Soligo next best at 49th.

 

[Vader]

Shock horror for you Wayno...

Matty Crouch is still our best centre clearance player and by a fair margin, ranked =9th in the AFL with Patrick Dangerfield. Soligo next best at 49th.

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Yeah... that graphic from the AFC was incredibly disingenuous, by failing to exclude players who attended a statistically insignificant number of CBAs.

Keays may have had a clearance rate of 40%, but he still only had 8 clearances for the entire year (0.3 per game). By my maths, that means he only attended 20 centre clearances for the entire season - less than 1 per game.

Much though I love seeing them sinking the boots into BC, this is not a statistically significant result.

 

[Sizzlepack]

And virtually all of them aren't full time mids and/or regular best 22 players so the original post by JADelaide is flawed and virtually means nought in comparison to all full time mids.

I made no claim about the statistical significance of the original post, I was just answering a query by another poster about whether there were league-wide numbers for that statistic.

 

[Sizzlepack]

Yeah... that graphic from the AFC was incredibly disingenuous, by failing to exclude players who attended a statistically insignificant number of CBAs.

Keays may have had a clearance rate of 40%, but he still only had 8 clearances for the entire year (0.3 per game). By my maths, that means he only attended 20 centre clearances for the entire season - less than 1 per game.

Much though I love seeing them sinking the boots into BC, this is not a statistically significant result.

Wasn't an AFC post (unless they've since done their own), it was a fan account (Jadelaide).

 

[Vader]

Wasn't an AFC post (unless they've since done their own), it was a fan account (Jadelaide).

In that case, my apologies to the AFC. I just saw the AFC colour scheme, and figured it was one of their posts.

Whoever did it, all they proved was their own incompetence at using statistics.

 

[Sizzlepack]

In that case, my apologies to the AFC. I just saw the AFC colour scheme, and figured it was one of their posts.

Whoever did it, all they proved was their own incompetence at using statistics.

20 is a fairly standard number to use as a minimum for those sorts of stats. I don't know if it's misleading so much as just not especially important (as Mutineer alluded to). Keays' numbers are skewed because he was attended several CBAs in Q4 against Essendon when he was running red-hot, and played a fair bit in the middle against the Swans in the final round.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Yes, you can find it on Wheelo.

Keays is #1 league-wide by a significant distance. Rest of the top 10:

Tyler Brockman – 30.4%
Rhylee West – 25%
Marlion Pickett – 22.2%
Finlay Macrae – 22.2%
Bailey Humphrey – 22%
Pat Lipinski – 21.9%
Josh Daicos – 21.9%
Steele Sidebottom – 19.4%
Ben Hobbs – 19%

Who are the league-wide leaders in this statistic with a larger sample size of CBAs?

 

[Sizzlepack]

Who are the league-wide leaders in this statistic with a larger sample size of CBAs?

The top 5 most efficient players who attended an average of 10 or more CBAs per game:

Dylan Shiel (15.2 CBAs) – 19%
Luke Parker (10.0 CBAs) – 17.5%
Jason Horne-Francis (14.2 CBAs) – 17.3%
James Peatling (12.2 CBAs) – 15.1%
Nick Daicos (21.0 CBAs) – 14.5%

 

[rocket18]

Why do we pick players in the MSD if we arent going to play them or dont know what to do with them

We do that with players from the National draft also.

 

[Bearded Clam]

I see I continue to live rent free..

Nice.