Preview 2022 Round 13 Carlton vs Essendon Friday June 10 7:50PM @ MCG - Team Post #1538

[Chookaradley]

Mirkov is a project player and a project ruckman at that. The club would be under no illusions that he is a long term project that we need to be patient with.

Ive watched him closely and while he has shown some improvement he is coming of a low base and would get murdered at AFL level. Not to mention Big Footy tearing him apart.

 

[Mr_Plow]

What sort of barber-chirgeon are you? Do you not not how to balance the humour with a blood letting or trepanation?

Now I'm even more confused!

 

[JustaBattler]

Can't remember the post exactly, but if it is taking another 2-3 years or so for Mirkov to be somewhat AFL ready, that's not ideal.

I'd imagine we expected him to be a 2 year project before being AFL ready.

I dont even know what phlegmatic means tbh.

You are the one that described my posted opinion as being hyperbolic - if you cant justify your statement - why make one in the first place?

His current ability is far far behind AFL requirements - simple as that
Whether it takes another pre-season or two - for him to achieve AFL levels of fitness is an open question - I see very little evidence of him being a superior athletic type apart from his height and reach, he isn't a high jumper, he lacks proportionate size for his height and he doesn't move around the ground half as well as Pittonet - who is a plodder in AFL terms - he will take time.

If you think the above is hyperbole - we speak a different language and or you don't actually watch VFL or bother to look at how long it takes a typical young ruckman to become a genuine AFL player.

 

[Arr0w]

Can't remember the post exactly, but if it is taking another 2-3 years or so for Mirkov to be somewhat AFL ready, that's not ideal.

I'd imagine we expected him to be a 2 year project before being AFL ready.

I dont even know what phlegmatic means tbh.

Mirkov is 12-18 months away to develop all aspects of his game apart from winning a hitout. Not unusual for someone that hasn't played the game all that long and or where he was taken as a mid season rookie. He and all of our ruckmen are young, so we have plenty of time when we are a real contender

What i would like though, is adding another forward/ruckman, or a KPD, so Young or Durdin could play that role. If Austin addresses our needs in the off season, we will take another big step

 

[Blue__Balls]

I don't think he has played 4 quarters in any game of VFL yet and has managed to get himself injured ( twice) just jumping in a contest and landing awkwardly...people have very inflated views of this blokes current capacity - based on what I don't know. Base don watching him play in VFL I woudl say he is at least two pre-seasons and + 10 kilos away from being able to play AFL for extended periods....

Yeah, which is why I was musing on our capacity to maintain enough run in the side whilst carrying him for only 50% time on ground.

Let him take 2-3 centre bounces a quarter, and perhaps anchor him to the goalsquare for 5 mins a quarter as well.

TDK doing something like 60-70% of the centre bounces, Mirkov the rest. JSOS stays as a permanent forward. Cripps doesn't have to do any rucking. And for the 5 mins a quarter that Mirkov starts in the goalsquare, it gives Charlie and JSOS an opportunity for a spell on the bench without leaving the other as the sole forward target.

 

[Blue1980]

Very curious to see how this plays out.

What North did with Durdin and even McKay was weird. They waited far too long to play both. It was something like a combined total of about 10 games in a combined 8 to 10 years on the list at one point. Pure madness for picks between 15 and 20 (if I recall correctly).

McKay started horribly but got a run in 2020 to find the speed of the level and he did.

Durdin was not so fortunate. He had a run in 2019 during which he looked okay but then injury hit and he could barely move by the time he got a look in 2020.

I reckon that injury in 2020 is what cost him in the end. It would not surprise me to see him become a regular.

Be interesting if we put him on 2 Metre Peter or Harry Jones v the bombers.

 

[Mr_Plow]

You are the one that described my posted opinion as being hyperbolic - if you cant justify your statement - why make one in the first place?

His current ability is far far behind AFL requirements - simple as that
Whether it takes another pre-season or two - for him to achieve AFL levels of fitness is an open question - I see very little evidence of him being a superior athletic type apart from his height and reach, he isn't a high jumper, he lacks proportionate size for his height and he doesn't move around the ground half as well as Pittonet - who is a plodder in AFL terms - he will take time.

If you think the above is hyperbole - we speak a different language and or you don't actually watch VFL or bother to look at how long it takes a typical young ruckman to become a genuine AFL player.

I might only watch up to half of our VFL games, so will take your word for it.

Think the call about struggling to run out one AFL quarter was a little concerning. If he can't function for 25-30 minutes after an entire year in the AFL system (2 years of professional football) as a 22 year old, that's not a good look for our high performance team.

Well aware that rucks don't peak until late 20s and only approach consistency mid 20s.

Won't address this any further, as my choice of wording was incorrect and this discussion serves no additional purpose.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Cripps sacrificing what he has done this year to take some ruck time for TDK to push forward and create a mismatch. All class

Sadly it hasn't really worked well .. would be better off resting tdk on the pine and letting cripps or Kennedy go fwd when silvagni ruck .. maybe the fact Martin is out also has forced us into this cripps ruck tdk fwd fiasco..

 

[JustaBattler]

Yeah, which is why I was musing on our capacity to maintain enough run in the side whilst carrying him for only 50% time on ground.

Let him take 2-3 centre bounces a quarter, and perhaps anchor him to the goalsquare for 5 mins a quarter as well.

TDK doing something like 60-70% of the centre bounces, Mirkov the rest. JSOS stays as a permanent forward. Cripps doesn't have to do any rucking. And for the 5 mins a quarter that Mirkov starts in the goalsquare, it gives Charlie and JSOS an opportunity for a spell on the bench without leaving the other as the sole forward target.

In theory that works structurally - if Voss was happy that the team and game plan could afford to 'carry' Mirkov for 90% of game time - I don't see it happening.

 

[mrjones]

Now I'm even more confused!

I guess it’s like talking to an I.T guy about DOS or maybe Thylacines about Schmackos.

 

[djholmes]

In: Marchbank, Kennedy, Martin
Out: Weitering (inj.), Cottrell (med. sub), Carroll, Motlop

B: Plowman---------*Marchbank--------Newman

H: Docherty------------Young--------------Saad

C: Newnes-------------Cripps-------------O'Brien

H: *Martin------------Silvagni------------Fisher

F: Owies--------------C.Curnow-----------Durdin

Foll: De Koning, Hewett, Walsh

Bench: Cerra, Dow, Stocker, *Kennedy

 

[RPCB]

We are different team with a different belief and attitude this year. we will bury these cockroaches!!!

* are a different team this year as well. They aren’t the Premiership contenders the media paint them as every year.

 

[Gointocarlton]

We are different team with a different belief and attitude this year. we will bury these cockroaches!!!

You mean ****-a-roaches don't you?

 

[Bostonian]

Try Kemp on the wing imo.

Can't do any worse than the ones that played on it last game.

Will have more of a defensive side to his game than they had at a minimum.

 

[spry]

I would almost happily put up with lingy calling this game if BT would simply ask him, “so what do you think of the bombers list lingy? I’ll come back to you shortly…”


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[4flagsin5yrs]

I was pleasantly surprised how quickly we got durdin to PP.

Great to see both him and hayes already training with the boys.

I think durdin at least is a lock considering our desperate need for tall defender.

Bit hard to say whether Hayes will be selected. Im leaning towards unlikely for now but maybe in a few weeks.

Reckon Hayes has been the stand out midfield performer all year in the ressies....ahead of Dow.

Would comfortably give him a crack ahead of Cotters, Carroll (needs a rest), or Newnes.

He's played at the top level including an Elimination Final.

 

[Accidental genius]

Reckon Hayes has been the stand out midfield performer all year in the ressies....ahead of Dow.

Would comfortably give him a crack ahead of Cotters, Carroll (needs a rest), or Newnes.

He's played at the top level including an Elimination Final.

Of the few games of vfl I saw this year, I can’t say I paid much attention to or noticed Hayes. After drafting him I watched a small highlight reel. Certainly can understand why Voss would be keen on him.

Hasn’t been playing recently though so not sure he is fit and available.

 

[Hands On]

* are a different team this year as well. They aren’t the Premiership contenders the media paint them as every year.

But they are "Brave"

 

[ferrisb]

But they are "Brave"

I think it is pretty brave of * to show their faces in public considering how poor their efforts have been this year...

 

[Sickblue]

One thing we know about Voss is he won’t pick anyone unless they train hard and be a good teammate and if Durdin and Hayes tick these boxes at training you’d imagine they are both a big chance.

Ins: Kennedy, Martin, Durdin

Outs: Dow, Motlop Weitering

Even though Weiters cannot be replaced I still feel the ins more than cover the outs and importantly both Kennedy and Martin give us an aerial presence something we badly lacked against the pies. Really looking forward to seeing Durdin, he’ll get the number 2 forward with Young taking 2MP.

Also, slightly off topic, but for those who were at the game last week it was actually refreshing to see how much the loss hurt our guys, they were absolutely gutted and so dirty with themselves with at least 6-8 players falling to the ground when the siren sounded. Love seeing how much winning means to this group, such a shift vs our recent history.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

2MP has had a very good year.

 

[Hands On]

2MP has had a very good year.

Yeh he has, Durdin needs to be all over him.

 

[rp84]

Mirkov will break. He needs another preseason.


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Or three...lightyears away from it.

We really need 3 playable rucks on a list and a young developer.

We are incredibly lucky TDK has battled manfully for the most part.

 

[BrunoV]

Be interesting if we put him on 2 Metre Peter or Harry Jones v the bombers.

You gotta have a plan for 2MP.

He'll convert 3/4 anywhere inside 55 and without being A grade he's big enough and good enough to get enough shots to have a significant impact, even on an opponent's number 1 defender.

Young's actually a pretty good match-up because Wright won't test him for strength or speed and Young has the size and reach.

Question is whether you run the risk with the resting ruck and the rotation which could see Jones deep and Wright high. Not an easy decision to make given Wright's rage.

On one view it's all academic as you should steamroll us at the source. But we're very good at capitalising on the clean break from congestion/stoppages. That and junk possessions is about all our midfield is good for.

It should mean we get reasonable supply forward, particularly because you're defence is still at the contest and forward half.

If I was in Voss' shoes I'd play Durdin because having tested KPD depth could be the difference between finals wins and not.

I reckon it's an imperative against us. An upset is never out of the question such is the nature of the rivalry. If we get you the game will look like circle work. If that happens you don't want to expose defenders giving away 10cm. You have the same systemic weakness Port has in that type of game.

 

[pumped]

In: Marchbank, Kennedy, Martin
Out: Weitering (inj.), Cottrell (med. sub), Carroll, Motlop

B: Plowman---------*Marchbank--------Newman

H: Docherty------------Young--------------Saad

C: Newnes-------------Cripps-------------O'Brien

H: *Martin------------Silvagni------------Fisher

F: Owies--------------C.Curnow-----------Durdin

Foll: De Koning, Hewett, Walsh

Bench: Cerra, Dow, Stocker, *Kennedy

To the best of my memory Marchbank was never a key defender, more a floating 3rd tall. Not sure if he has the strength to be a key.