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Do you buy a Chery made car or Oppo phone and stay content with "okay" or do you fork out a little more for the reliability and peace of mind of a Toyota or Samsung if you've got the dough?

Pulling Matthew's logic to the side for a sec, I reckon the true key here is the ability to withstand the most. What I mean by that is, we are in for some bumps and low low's until we get to where we need to go - and the masses are most likely to ride them calmer if they've got the most successful coach of the modern era at the helm than an amatuer who needed to be coached to coach and hasn't been able to instil a reliable and consistent defensive tactic in our players despite being our literal defense coach as a literal former defender, or as the coach.

It ultimately comes down to "who has the most currency to burn and stay stable until turning a profit" - aka; "who is able to keep the people confident enough the longest to weather the storms preluding eventual success?"

Whether Rutten is the right man or not is still up for debate but I feel that factor will be the ultimate lever that forces the board's hand, as the ability to have a coach that keeps the peace is invaluable to a club on a journey like ours.
 
and the masses are most likely to ride them calmer if they've got the most successful coach of the modern era at the helm than an amatuer who needed to be coached to coach and hasn't been able to instil a reliable and consistent defensive tactic in our players despite being our literal defense coach as a literal former defender, or as the coach.


Whether Rutten is the right man or not is still up for debate but I feel that factor will be the ultimate lever that forces the board's hand, as the ability to have a coach that keeps the peace is invaluable to a club on a journey like ours.
What I found most interesting about Shawry's comments - that Clarko has been approached by XC as a director of roaching role or thereabouts - is that it's almost a concession in itself that there's an internal view that Rutten is currently ill-equipped for the current head coach role.

I don't mind the idea in insolation and I think Rutten could benefit from it. But it almost seems like a typical Essendon move. Make a mistake appointment and then try and rectify the situation with the most complicated move possible (another "coaching handover").

Hard to see how a Clarko-type wouldn't end up running the operation anyway. If Clarko is wanted by the board to oversee Rutten; then what purpose does Rutten serve?
 

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Take GWS to a flag and you become an inaugural premiership coach. Take Essendon to a flag and you become a legend.

Also this "inherited a dream team" malarky needs to stop. The man won flags in two decades 5 years apart, and then 2 more. Made it to 5 grannies and actual threepeats are not easy to achieve (as Richmond has proven).

Chris Scott was accused as such yet has since proven that he's been able to consistently keep the side in it across a whole decade.

Maybe Clarko isn't for us but at least make a legit case and save the reaching.
Accident of history
 
What I found most interesting about Shawry's comments - that Clarko has been approached by XC as a director of roaching role or thereabouts - is that it's almost a concession in itself that there's an internal view that Rutten is currently ill-equipped for the current head coach role.

I don't mind the idea in insolation and I think Rutten could benefit from it. But it almost seems like a typical Essendon move. Make a mistake appointment and then try and rectify the situation with the most complicated move possible (another "coaching handover").

Hard to see how a Clarko-type wouldn't end up running the operation anyway. If Clarko is wanted by the board to oversee Rutten; then what purpose does Rutten serve?
I feel fairly certain that the approach to Clarkson was reported months ago, around the same time as Matt Little departed the club, creating a vacancy as director of coaching (a long planned departure for family reasons).

I know I read/heard this somewhere and then like a week later there was a Twomey article about Matt Little leaving — Little was our director of coaching, previously ran the VFL team, and was also one of the people that ran out on the field on game day in a trainer vest. You might remember Brent Stanton pulling on the training vest the week after Little left?

But it added up that Clarkson was being sounded out for that vacancy at that time, well before anyone was talking about reviewing the footy department or Rutten’s tenure as coach.

Not sure if that changes anything from your perspective.


Possibly it was a herald sun article which might be why I can’t find it now since paywalls make it difficult to search the text of articles for references to events. If anyone can open this;

And find the article from eight weeks ago (hopefully linked according to this preview!);

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Also the last line of the preview: 😂
 
I feel fairly certain that the approach to Clarkson was reported months ago, around the same time as Matt Little departed the club, creating a vacancy as director of coaching (a long planned departure for family reasons).

I know I read/heard this somewhere and then like a week later there was a Twomey article about Matt Little leaving — Little was our director of coaching, previously ran the VFL team, and was also one of the people that ran out on the field on game day in a trainer vest. You might remember Brent Stanton pulling on the training vest the week after Little left?

But it added up that Clarkson was being sounded out for that vacancy at that time, well before anyone was talking about reviewing the footy department or Rutten’s tenure as coach.

Not sure if that changes anything from your perspective.


Possibly it was a herald sun article which might be why I can’t find it now since paywalls make it difficult to search the text of articles for references to events. If anyone can open this;

And find the article from eight weeks ago (hopefully linked according to this preview!);

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Also the last line of the preview: 😂
Interesting - thanks for sharing. I'm trying to imagine how that works. Would he theoretically sit above Mahoney?
 
Interesting - thanks for sharing. I'm trying to imagine how that works. Would he theoretically sit above Mahoney?
Below Mahoney, and kind of above the coaches but collaborating with them I guess?

This is an old job description but sounds about right from what I understand it to be these days:

 

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Ceteris paribus - we win that game with Clarkson as coach. That is the difference between an unproven greenhorn and the best coach of the modern era.
So the players get into defensive position with 45sec to go with someone else sitting up in a sky box talking on a phone?
 
So the players get into defensive position with 45sec to go with someone else sitting up in a sky box talking on a phone?
Training for those moments happen throughout the pre-season and season itself. Those structures aren't just developed on a whim and conveyed to the 22 in a last second phone call. Clearly our players have not been properly drilled to handle them - we had NFI. That is on the coach.

But it wasn't just that last play. It's everything. For starters - we should have never have been down 38-0 to begin with. Does Truck have an answer why we're such perpetually bad starters? I haven't even heard him address it.
 
sack Rutten and bring in the best coach of the modern era. we only have one chance to do it, so make it happen!
 
Training for those moments happen throughout the pre-season and season itself. Those structures aren't just developed on a whim and conveyed to the 22 in a last second phone call. Clearly our players have not been properly drilled to handle them - we had NFI. That is on the coach.

But it wasn't just that last play. It's everything. For starters - we should have never have been down 38-0 to begin with. Does Truck have an answer why we're such perpetually bad starters? I haven't even heard him address it.
You're just assuming we haven't done any training for these situations. Does Rutten get credit for getting the game back in play after the first quarter or do we only blame him for poor things?

We have a young team, Clarkson wouldn't be getting much more out of them at this moment either (as seen in his last 5 years at Hawks)
 
You're just assuming we haven't done any training for these situations. Does Rutten get credit for getting the game back in play after the first quarter or do we only blame him for poor things?

We have a young team, Clarkson wouldn't be getting much more out of them at this moment either (as seen in his last 5 years at Hawks)
I'm not saying we haven't done any training on it. Probably far less that what we should have - I think that much is obvious. Going by pre-season murmurs at least I think a lot of things were mismanaged. My point was that we have not been properly drilled to the point of understanding them.

Sure, I'll give Rutten some credit for getting the team back in it. But we should never have been in that situation in the first place. I'd like accountability for the dreadful starts which have costed us yet another season and played a large part in the result of this game. To me - that is way more important.

Our performance clearly demonstrated we have the talent on the list to compete with a lot of teams, including one that is top 4. If we are good enough to get back into games, we should be good enough to start well. The former is considerably harder.

My point is - Ceteris paribus - Clarkson would have provided us with a better result if he was coaching this game, and would've provided better results if he was head coach for the last 3 years.
 
I'm not saying we haven't done any training on it. Probably far less that what we should have - I think that much is obvious. Going by pre-season murmurs at least I think a lot of things were mismanaged. My point was that we have not been properly drilled to the point of understanding them.

Sure, I'll give Rutten some credit for getting the team back in it. But we should never have been in that situation in the first place. I'd like accountability for the dreadful starts which have costed us yet another season and played a large part in the result of this game. To me - that is way more important.

Our performance clearly demonstrated we have the talent on the list to compete with a lot of teams, including one that is top 4. If we are good enough to get back into games, we should be good enough to start well. The former is considerably harder.

My point is - Ceteris paribus - Clarkson would have provided us with a better result if he was coaching this game, and would've provided better results if he was head coach for the last 3 years.
Really don't agree with the bolded, first of all the Pies may be 4th on ladder but there is a big gap between them and the best teams in the comp, theyve ridden the momentum of an easy draw and some arsy wins.
Second the early season form showed how poor our list depth is compared to the best. We are so reliant on guys like langford and stringer providing balance to our midfield/forward line.
 
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