Preview 2022 Rd 21 Carlton vs Brisbane Sunday August 7 3:20PM @ The Gabba - Team Post #1157

[The Blue Weirdo]

I think there is a big chance they all play.

Brisbane have usually play the 3 talls and their small forwards are all pretty good overhead.

I won’t be shocked if Gov plays on Charlie.

I'd like to see Gov smash Raynor to smithereens.
Saad will keep Cameron quiet.(if he stays with him)

 

[BlueSuede]

Okay. IF you want reasons why we can win

• Brisbane has been off the boil since Covid hit their team a month or so ago

2. As Mal Michael said:



The teams that we struggle against are hard-defending sides, teams that tackle and play contested ball. We've struggled against these teams all year.

This is not the style of football that Brisbane loves to play. Therefore, their actual game style presents us with a real opportunity to win if we play our brand of football and play it well.

Do I think we'll win? I'm not as confident as Arr0w (I think they win by a similar margin as Adelaide did) but to say that we have no chance in hell would be inaccurate.

I think it'll be a better game than the Adelaide game.

Great summary
About a month ago I had this pencilled down as a win for these reasons. That said, I was banking on us having built some form and have most key personnel in (esp didn't expect Hewitt and Kennedy to go down)
But, essentially we match up well against Brisbane and their style. I am not expecting or even hopeful for a win, but could see how we could this one if we're at our best.

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[HarryFlashman]

I'd like to see Gov smash Raynor to smithereens.
Saad will keep Cameron quiet.(if he stays with him)

Saad v Cameron won’t work, they know how to kick it to Charlie- it’s out in front so he can hit it at speed, Saad won’t be able to close the distance in time as he won’t be sitting on his shoulder.

 

[The_MCG]

Plowman finally gets omitted from the 22. Has been a long time coming.
If we are to progress as a team we have to do it without him.

 

[Coops93]

If we go with our usual method of inside 50 - bombing it in and hoping - Brisbane could break the record for intercept marks in a game. They thrive off that sort of entry.

 

[FRUMPY]

What's with our obsession about best 22? Trauma from 20 years of barely having 22 AFL calibre players on the list?

Premierships aren't won with only 22 players. The likes of Plowman et al will continue to play an important role going forward, as cover for injury, to provide competition for spots and to provide stability and mentorship for the young kids coming through.

Good teams know this. You need solid, dependable players in your squad that you can rely on when required. If the likes of Plowman, Newnes, Newman and even JSOS are our depth players going forward, we're in a bloody good position.

The whole best 22 argument is so boring

 

[Magruder]

The whole best 22 argument is so boring

yep, it's all contingent on the form of key players aligned to squad depth/role players and the ability to adapt and change up the game plan. (game changes every 4-6 weeks at this level.)

We have the key players, the role players are mostly developing although some additional depth is needed in some areas; it's the third element I think we've fallen away since the bye.

But it'll come.

 

[BlueSuede]

If we go with our usual method of inside 50 - bombing it in and hoping - Brisbane could break the record for intercept marks in a game. They thrive off that sort of entry.

They certainly do.
On the flip side, they also sag off a little - take a punt on the opposition making a mistake. If we're smarter with our ball use (and I know that's a big if ) our forwards could also have a big night, especially our talls.
I would be hoping that the message all week would be about tight defence/sticking tackles etc., and smarter use going forward/choosing targets, hitting targets etc.
Given our stats for broken tackles and turnovers were through the roof last week, I can only imagine this was the focus. Just so happens that these are also the keys to beating Brisbane


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[goreds]

Setterfield and O'Brien the most unhappy about plowman getting dropped.....

They'll fight it out to be this week's whipping boy

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Martin will get a mention in that conversation!

Or he’ll kick 4…

 

[morningbrown]

Literally the last chance saloon for Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

. I still think he can be an asset, I just hope he takes his opportunity by the scruff of the neck.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Why is our ball use into F50 so dismal?

Surely fixing that is a big part of the puzzle - get the ball to Chuck or Harry a dozen times each, every game, and they'll kick you 7-8 each.

Bombing it on their heads is U9 stuff.

We also need a viable 3rd tall (or small) forward option I50 - TDK might become that but he's a mile off it presently. JSOS the more likely.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

The commentary around Saad sticking to his man and playing his role is ridiculous. He was rolling off to affect marking contests that Tex and Fogarty would've otherwise completed uncontested at about 40-45m out when his man Keays cheated forward and got a few walk in goals. It's Weitering and Young that weren't positioned correctly that caused Saad to give up his advantageous position on Keays.

If the backline play as a team then Saad won't be caught out rolling up to contests that he has no business being involved in.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Honestly, First I want to see final teams with Martin in to give us any chance. Fog will not win us a game. My gut tells me we can not win this but I can not tip against this this week.

Blues by 2 points in desperation

If Essendon can beat them up there, then this is very gettable. They've been just as up and down the past couple of months as we have.

 

[carlton_99]

If Essendon can beat them up there, then this is very gettable. They've been just as up and down the past couple of months as we have.

Lions had 9 players out from the previous week in that game. Will be playing a much better Lions team this week

 

[forever blue 1]

I'd like to see Gov smash Raynor to smithereens.
Saad will keep Cameron quiet.(if he stays with him)

Maybe Voss’ first time coaching experience up there will take him back to crazy V
Martin to centre
SOS to rebound back flank
Saad forward flank/wing
And Walsh full back
With Jacob a sneaky forward pocket

 

[Coops93]

Why is our ball use into F50 so dismal?

Surely fixing that is a big part of the puzzle - get the ball to Chuck or Harry a dozen times each, every game, and they'll kick you 7-8 each.

Bombing it on their heads is U9 stuff.

We also need a viable 3rd tall (or small) forward option I50 - TDK might become that but he's a mile off it presently. JSOS the more likely.

It's been an ongoing issue for years now. I think we, definitely myself, put it down to the coaches and method of the past but the fact it's continued this year is curious. Perhaps it's just the players we have have real issues lowering their eyes?

Though Walsh is a curious one because last year he did use the ball well and spot up targets but this year he blazes away often.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Saad v Cameron won’t work, they know how to kick it to Charlie- it’s out in front so he can hit it at speed, Saad won’t be able to close the distance in time as he won’t be sitting on his shoulder.

I suggested other teams should sit on Saad like last week, a month ago.
He's always the first option we attempt to use rebounding out of deep defense, Gov back in the side gives us probably a better option.
I reckon Kemp could be good as well.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Maybe Voss’ first time coaching experience up there will take him back to crazy V
Martin to centre
SOS to rebound back flank
Saad forward flank/wing
And Walsh full back
With Jacob a sneaky forward pocket

I like the 'Crazy V' moniker.
It's un-Australian to change or make up your own nick-name.

 

[Accidental genius]

Why is our ball use into F50 so dismal?

Surely fixing that is a big part of the puzzle - get the ball to Chuck or Harry a dozen times each, every game, and they'll kick you 7-8 each.

Bombing it on their heads is U9 stuff.

We also need a viable 3rd tall (or small) forward option I50 - TDK might become that but he's a mile off it presently. JSOS the more likely.

Weve heard Voss talk about getting the ball into our f50 as many times as possible and how that will/should give you enough looks to score a winning score.

Obviously this approach relies on H and Charlie turning those entries into scores. However against good oppo it's mostly ineffective. Sometimes Charlie still makes things happen...but he has that x factor. Whilst H gets double tagged, blocked out and they find ways to nullifiy his attempst at marking the ball.

So we need H to be stronger, smarter and for him to lead out more and expcet the ball out in front.

We also need more players leading out to break up their defenders to make it easier for H and Charlie.

This bombing long into f50 is a terrible way to play footy. Weve got to get better at this and Im not sure why it isnt being addressed/rectified. Every now and then we see glimpses of it but when under pressure we revert back to the long bomb option.

 

[forever blue 1]

Weve heard Voss talk about getting the ball into our f50 as many times as possible and how that will/should give you enough looks to score a winning score.

Obviously this approach relies on H and Charlie turning those entries into scores. However against good oppo it's mostly ineffective. Sometimes Charlie still makes things happen...but he has that x factor. Whilst H gets double tagged, blocked out and they find ways to nullifiy his attempst at marking the ball.

So we need H to be stronger, smarter and for him to lead out more and expcet the ball out in front.

We also need more players leading out to break up their defenders to make it easier for H and Charlie.

This bombing long into f50 is a terrible way to play footy. Weve got to get better at this and Im not sure why it isnt being addressed/rectified. Every now and then we see glimpses of it but when under pressure we revert back to the long bomb option.

Why can’t we do the Braceheart William Wallace style approach
Where Mel Gibson yells to troops hold , hold, hold , hold. Then bam
So forwards all hold off a little longer and have min 2 to 3 players leading in their preferred areas but in all different directions so kicker has 2-3 options for 50 percent of the chances delivery into F50?

 

[Hands On]

Plowman finally gets omitted from the 22. Has been a long time coming.
If we are to progress as a team we have to do it without him.

I think Plowman is being rested

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

That extended bench reads like TDK is missing this one, with Setterfield, Dow, Kemp and one of Fogarty/Durdin/Martin make the trip north. Might actually be in with a shout.

I'd be loathe to pick Martin, but apparently Durdin might be fit... though I'd argue none of the small forwards are fit right now.

What I'm disappointed with is that TDK may have fallen out of favour after keeping things together in the midfield more than most mids have.

Doesn't deserve to be dropped for anything other than a rest. Pittonet was rushed back at least a week too early, might well turn out to be 2 or 3.

You put Saad on Cameron, and then the only issue you're left with is McCarthy, who is more moves and smarts than athleticism.

Would be far more focused on defensive cohesion and concentration, and we're not suffering on that front. Ball use and run should be better too.

There's no way Pitto was rushed back after 2 VFL games. I'd rather him have an AFL game under his belt leading into the Lions/Dees/Pies stretch.
He came straight in and performed almost to the level he was before injury. 29 hitouts, 9 to advantage (it originally said 30 and 10 but looks like they've revised the numbers). Broke even with O'Brien and Cripps had a field day off his taps. His clearance work was below his pre-injury level, as well as his score involvements, but that's to be expected when the rest of the team was so poor.

TDK has done a very good job under the circumstances, and this will hopefully prove to be a very good year for his development, but I see no problem with dropping him. He was destroyed the week prior to Pitto coming back by Preuss.


He had a bit of a purple patch for 3-4 weeks after the bye, but most weeks he's getting beaten, and our mids are suffering as a result.
At the moment, TDK is more efficient as a 2nd ruck, but he could use a rest and his numbers aren't good enough to be overly upset if he was omitted on form.

 

[Stamos]

I'm over pressure small fwds - I'd like a goal kicking small fwd.. we need to stop leaving goals on the ground every week

The most pressure a small forward can apply is by punishing a backman's mistake by kicking a goal.

I wish Honey was back in.

 

[FRUMPY]

The most pressure a small forward can apply is by punishing a backman's mistake by kicking a goal.

I wish Honey was back in.

yeah the 'he had 15 pressure acts' or 'top speed of 32km/h' and has a scoreline of 0.0......just give me goals

Edit: but its not as if Honey has been scoring goals - one soccer goal after an all time howler by the GWS defender

 

[jimsta10]

Plowman finally gets omitted from the 22. Has been a long time coming.
If we are to progress as a team we have to do it without him.

famous last words.