List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Ambrose Burnside]

Demons were one club that got rid of their 30 year olds during the rebuild phase. Turned the club into a basket case that took them several phases of rebuild to climb out of.

I don't want to get rid of all of them in one hit, just one more on top of Shep and JK.

With Shuey re-signing, that leaves Hurn.

Still leaves Shuey, Nic Nat, Redden etc etc etc on the list in 2023.

 

[RookiePick]

I presume Shuey is getting all sorts of stem cells and dank cocktails injected into those 'strings while he takes his long overdue, uncontactable, sabbatical this off season.

 

[shooshka]

You don’t understand footy if you think West could ever be best 22 in a contending team.

I love his effort but he just isn’t and never will be clean enough by hand and foot to fill a role.

Trew has a slight chance being 2.5 years younger and at least showing a bit of class.

I dunno, maybe I just don't understand the footy you seem to be watching.

Mitch Robinson
Jack Viney
Nat Fyfe (when fit)
Half the Richmond side

That's a small sample of guys who aren't the elite kicks (or often even the elite handballers) but bring other elite qualities.

West doesn't yet have those other elite qualities, although he has shown glimpses. But players like him can absolutely be role players in a B22 team provided there is quality around him. May not work out for him (he may not improve to the level, or the timing might be wrong as we don't have enough midfield quality to make up for his deficiencies in the short term) - but he's certainly a capable role player who requires improvement to retain that role in a (hopefully) improving team over the next few seasons.

 

[KERRPOW]

I don't want to get rid of all of them in one hit, just one more on top of Shep and JK.

With Shuey re-signing, that leaves Hurn.

Still leaves Shuey, Nic Nat, Redden etc etc etc on the list in 2023.

Should WCE be re-signing nic for next year.

Extremely overweight for AFL standard. rumoured to have degenerative knee on knee issues, therefore may struggle to lose the weight and unlikely to play more than 10 games next year?

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I dunno, maybe I just don't understand the footy you seem to be watching.

Mitch Robinson
Jack Viney
Nat Fyfe (when fit)
Half the Richmond side

That's a small sample of guys who aren't the elite kicks (or often even the elite handballers) but bring other elite qualities.

West doesn't yet have those other elite qualities, although he has shown glimpses. But players like him can absolutely be role players in a B22 team provided there is quality around him. May not work out for him (he may not improve to the level, or the timing might be wrong as we don't have enough midfield quality to make up for his deficiencies in the short term) - but he's certainly a capable role player who requires improvement to retain that role in a (hopefully) improving team over the next few seasons.

We'll be laughing if West can emulate Mark Hutchings' career.

Should WCE be re-signing nic for next year.

Short answer? Yes
Long answer? **** yes, GTFO

 

[Obeanie1]

So what's the excuse for the 2nd half of last year

We have been much more competitive.

And decided to play the kids and put injured players on the LTIL.

Winning took second place to player development or seeing if some are to be retained.

That is obvious.

 

[Chump Change]

If NicNat can't lose the kegs over the off season, I'd be playing him in the Beagles. To come back with skinfolds is to say "I'm just going through the motions, getting a game, building my bank account, and do give a **** about the rest of the team". If a football club allows that, then they've gone back 30 years. Letting guys play who aren't absolutely 100% committed is back before Malthouse joined the Eagles and stepped it up a gear.

 

[Dark Sharks]

If Hurn goes on with Shuey in 2023 I'd love to know what next year's retirements look like to people.


Redden, Hurn, Shuey, Nicnat all retiring at once is going to leave a hole. A hole I think will cause the club to panic and give Nicnat a 2024 contract as well, which would be bad business for a bloke with the end seemingly approaching fast.

 

[ziad]

If NicNat can't lose the kegs over the off season, I'd be playing him in the Beagles. To come back with skinfolds is to say "I'm just going through the motions, getting a game, building my bank account, and do give a **** about the rest of the team". If a football club allows that, then they've gone back 30 years. Letting guys play who aren't absolutely 100% committed is back before Malthouse joined the Eagles and stepped it up a gear.

Being able to train is a good start to body management. I hope you are not implying Nic isn't 100% committed

 

[FKASC]

If you take a look at the other rebuilding teams, you'll notice that all of them have a number of 30+yo's playing.

They are trying their darnedest to phase out Goldstein (had him playing predominantly key forward for the first part of the season) but they soon realised CCJ is an Uber-spud and Xerri keeps getting injured.

Cunnington and Lynch haven’t played all year and Greenwood is now a fringe player. Leaves Ziebell and Hall, but neither are quite as old as some of our blokes.


Seedsman didn’t play all year due to concussion and will probably retire. Sloane missed most of the year. Leaves Tex and Smith (who’s only 30 and not really an integral part of their setup).

 

[Dark Sharks]

Exactly ^


There's "having 30+yr olds in a rebuilding side..."

And then there's "Having 30+ yr olds be the focal point of your rebuilding side playing each week and giving limited opportunities to your young players.." aka not an actual rebuild

 

[The wily weagle]

Being able to train is a good start to body management. I hope you are not implying Nic isn't 100% committed

Committed to training: despite my misgivings (and its a stretch), ok i will pay it

Committed to to diet: I am firmly inclined to say no

 

[KERRPOW]

If Hurn goes on with Shuey in 2023 I'd love to know what next year's retirements look like to people.


Redden, Hurn, Shuey, Nicnat all retiring at once is going to leave a hole. A hole I think will cause the club to panic and give Nicnat a 2024 contract as well, which would be bad business for a bloke with the end seemingly approaching fast.

Id say i bloody hope guys like shuey, redden and even hurn are playing WAFL because we have a healthy injury list and the youngsters are given priority.

But we know this wont be the case.

 

[Ochre]

If Hurn goes on with Shuey in 2023 I'd love to know what next year's retirements look like to people.


Redden, Hurn, Shuey, Nicnat all retiring at once is going to leave a hole. A hole I think will cause the club to panic and give Nicnat a 2024 contract as well, which would be bad business for a bloke with the end seemingly approaching fast.

Exactly, having them all retire at the end of 2023 would be a mistake, which is why I think it's so clever of the club to secretly have extended all of them until 2025

 

[Rowan18]

If Hurn goes on with Shuey in 2023 I'd love to know what next year's retirements look like to people.


Redden, Hurn, Shuey, Nicnat all retiring at once is going to leave a hole. A hole I think will cause the club to panic and give Nicnat a 2024 contract as well, which would be bad business for a bloke with the end seemingly approaching fast.

I worry that Nic Nat's career will end with one last long term injury. I'm not sure he even makes it to the end of 2023

 

[bzparkes]

Exactly ^


There's "having 30+yr olds in a rebuilding side..."

And then there's "Having 30+ yr olds be the focal point of your rebuilding side playing each week and giving limited opportunities to your young players.." aka not an actual rebuild

Are they though?

People can wring their hands about it all they want but Culley, for instance, attended more CBDs than anyone in the games he played.

Oscar's out injured and JW isn't ready, so that's that's forward line covered.

Bazzo has played a heap of games and is already B22, as is Hough.

Winder the only one who's missed out but that's mainly due to poor form as a forward. Hope they reward him with a game in the midfield this weekend, or at least retain him for another year, now that he's finally showing something ad ad mid.

Everyone complains that B.Williams is a spud, so NN's not exactly keeping anyone out.

Who are these 30+YOs keeping out exactly?

 

[FKASC]

Stevens, Ebert

 

[Keys]

Are they though?

People can wring their hands about it all they want but Culley, for instance, attended more CBDs than anyone in the games he played.

Oscar's out injured and JW isn't ready, so that's that's forward line covered.

Bazzo has played a heap of games and is already B22, as is Hough.

Winder the only one who's missed out but that's mainly due to poor form as a forward. Hope they reward him with a game in the midfield this weekend, or at least retain him for another year, now that he's finally showing something ad ad mid.

Everyone complains that B.Williams is a spud, so NN's not exactly keeping anyone out.

Who are these 30+YOs keeping out exactly?

Availability has been so bad this year it’s hard to argue that many deserving players have missed opportunities.

Winder maybe but until recently he hadn’t been in great form. Clark hasn’t had many games and was played out of position when he did more often than not

The concern is that if we do get fitter and reduce the injury list then Simpson will stick to old habits and select the older players.

It’s a valid concern but one that can only be confirmed once the 2023 season starts so no point melting about it now. If we run out with a full complement of 30 somethings in round 1 then I’ll join in the criticism but not before

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Should WCE be re-signing nic for next year.

Extremely overweight for AFL standard. rumoured to have degenerative knee on knee issues, therefore may struggle to lose the weight and unlikely to play more than 10 games next year?

Even on one leg, with dodgy shoulders, he's close to our most important player. Unless we find a decent ruck to play next year, he needs to, and should, play next year if he can go. The drop off to Williams/Jamieson is far too great.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Availability has been so bad this year it’s hard to argue that many deserving players have missed opportunities.

Winder maybe but until recently he hadn’t been in great form. Clark hasn’t had many games and was played out of position when he did more often than not

The concern is that if we do get fitter and reduce the injury list then Simpson will stick to old habits and select the older players.

It’s a valid concern but one that can only be confirmed once the 2023 season starts so no point melting about it now. If we run out with a full complement of 30 somethings we n round 1 then I’ll join in the criticism but not before

Agreed, this year only really Clark and Winder's dad can feel like they haven't had a genuine chance.

Some might feel a case of the Branders that they were played out of position, but meh.

 

[bzparkes]

Availability has been so bad this year it’s hard to argue that many deserving players have missed opportunities.

Winder maybe but until recently he hadn’t been in great form. Clark hasn’t had many games and was played out of position when he did more often than not

The concern is that if we do get fitter and reduce the injury list then Simpson will stick to old habits and select the older players.

It’s a valid concern but one that can only be confirmed once the 2023 season starts so no point melting about it now. If we run out with a full complement of 30 somethings we n round 1 then I’ll join in the criticism but not before

Agreed, pretty much just wait and see until R1 next year.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

It’s a valid concern but one that can only be confirmed once the 2023 season starts so no point melting about it now.

When does that ever stop anyone?

 

[amazingjoshy]

We have been much more competitive.

And decided to play the kids and put injured players on the LTIL.

Winning took second place to player development or seeing if some are to be retained.

That is obvious.

I think you need to re-read the post you quoted

 

[shooshka]

Availability has been so bad this year it’s hard to argue that many deserving players have missed opportunities.

Winder maybe but until recently he hadn’t been in great form. Clark hasn’t had many games and was played out of position when he did more often than not

The concern is that if we do get fitter and reduce the injury list then Simpson will stick to old habits and select the older players.

It’s a valid concern but one that can only be confirmed once the 2023 season starts so no point melting about it now. If we run out with a full complement of 30 somethings in round 1 then I’ll join in the criticism but not before

I think the 'being played out of position' problem is what grates most people here.

Agree with the availability issue, but Shuey and Redden, when in the side have played exclusively as mids. Guys like Clark, West, O'Neill have been on flanks or sub or Beagles for lots of the year (not all, but lots).

Agree the judgement is best left to R1 2023, but we've seen a little bit this year of reverting to experience over development in the name of 'competitiveness'. At some point we are going to have to play lesser players regularly (i.e. 3-4 games straight) in their preferred position to see if they have it or not - as the brutal list decisions should never just be reserved for the older brigade.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

If Hurn goes on with Shuey in 2023 I'd love to know what next year's retirements look like to people.


Redden, Hurn, Shuey, Nicnat all retiring at once is going to leave a hole. A hole I think will cause the club to panic and give Nicnat a 2024 contract as well, which would be bad business for a bloke with the end seemingly approaching fast.

Losing 4 senior players in one year isn't devastating if we phase them out over the year.

Our young mids aren't ready, given that Sheed just missed all of the year, Yeo basically the same as well. Culley (has played 3 games), pick 2, pick 20? Greg Clark, Ledwards (missed basically whole year), Xon, Hough, Chesser (missed whole year). Haing SHeuy and Redden around to provide bigger bodies/experience is a good thing.

Hurn, we can phase out, but we basically need two of McGovern, Barass, Hurn, and potentially Yeo to play in the backline to help structure us up. Given Yeo and McGovern's history not the end of the world having him on the list next year. I hope he never retires, but that's not reality. If anything he's the one most deserving of going on.

Nic Nat, we have no choice, we need to find a decent ruck option either this offseason or next.