Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[immortalmike]

How am I not serious? Because I don't agree with you outdated view? You have not said anything as a rebuttal other than I'm not serious as I don't agree with me, Can you please give me some reasoning?

You are not serious because the game hasn't moved so quickly in one year.
Your shitty reasoning amounts to here's two players that are nothing like Hunter who are also out of favour so I'm not sure what reasoning you expect back. Crouch and Mitchell have more in common with Dunkley as slow inside ball butchers than they do Hunter. Has the game gone past Dunkley?

Hence you aren't serious. You are more interested in being right than a genuine discussion and giving me a shallow analysis of both Hunter and of Dalrymple. I personally do not want to bang my head against this particular wall further so I won't respond again.

 

[Here we go dogs]

If GWS are looking to offload players, Himmelberg or Taylor would be nice

 

[glenashley]

I think the reason they claim to have extended trade period was to allow for more trades to occur and for players to have the weekend to ponder surprise moves / offers which makes sense on face value.

Fact is we all know that it hasn't really done that and trades now just take longer to occur and allows for the AFL to drag it all out for more $$.

 

[Foxman98]

If GWS are looking to offload players, Himmelberg or Taylor would be nice

They're offloading their overpaid older players not their good young up and comers

 

[Foxman98]

I think the reason they claim to have extended trade period was to allow for more trades to occur and for players to have the weekend to ponder surprise moves / offers which makes sense on face value.

Fact is we all know that it hasn't really done that and trades now just take longer to occur and allows for the AFL to drag it all out for more $$.

It's literally all for money. All the deals will be pretty much agreed in what the bulk of the deals will be and can get done in 2 day however that doesn't generate as much ad revenue as 2 weeks of 12 hour day crap does.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Very creative however most teams are just jealous.

We had the chance to do something similar at the end of 2016 and didn't take it

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Yeah, only difference being geography and the types of sponsors/corporates attached to their club compared to ours. Amazing how many movers and shakers follow Geelong...

 

[geoffjennings79]

Lobb's manager Young claimed yesterday that the club has indicated he would be the primary forward:



Not sure Naughton or JUH want to be pushed down the pecking order, and what happens if Bruce rediscovers his mojo? We're going to have 4-5 KPFs (Darcy possibly as well), meanwhile 31yo Liam Jones

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and a band of mediums and short people holding down the defence. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Foxman98]

Lobb's manager Young claimed yesterday that the club has indicated he would be the primary forward:

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Not sure Naughton or JUH want to be pushed down the pecking order, and what happens if Bruce rediscovers his mojo? We're going to have 4-5 KPFs (Darcy possibly as well), meanwhile 31yo Liam Jones and a band of mediums and short people holding down the defence. What could possibly go wrong?

They're not pushed down the pecking order. Lobb will take the #1 defender which gives more opportunity to Naughton and especially Jamarra to match up on 2nd and 3rd defenders giving them more chances of getting off the leash. If Bruce refinds his form then thats fantastic we will have some actual competition up forward for our key positions. Darcy will go back to develop with Jones

 

[Dogs Rule]

Imagine getting Nick Haynes

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and getting him back to 100 per cent, Jones and Lobb and swapping Dunkley for Rayner.

Just imagine....

 

[geoffjennings79]

They're not pushed down the pecking order. Lobb will take the #1 defender which gives more opportunity to Naughton and especially Jamarra to match up on 2nd and 3rd defenders giving them more chances of getting off the leash. If Bruce refinds his form then thats fantastic we will have some actual competition up forward for our key positions. Darcy will go back to develop with Jones

Lobb will get whatever defender an opposition coach assigns to him. Many would view Naughton as more of a threat. The implication from Young is Lobb would be viewed internally as the #1 forward, hence Naughton being pushed down the pecking order from being our #1 forward this year.

 

[Dog 36]

They're not pushed down the pecking order. Lobb will take the #1 defender which gives more opportunity to Naughton and especially Jamarra to match up on 2nd and 3rd defenders giving them more chances of getting off the leash. If Bruce refinds his form then thats fantastic we will have some actual competition up forward for our key positions. Darcy will go back to develop with Jones

You are playing vs the Dogs your first thoughts regarding our forwards is who are we going to play on Naughton.

He will take the best defender ahead of Lobb and anyone else.

Once JUH gets going that is when Naughton JUH combo will be a sight watch out.

 

[Foxman98]

Imagine getting Nick Haynes and getting him back to 100 per cent, Jones and Lobb and swapping Dunkley for Rayner.

Just imagine....

If wecould get Haynes on around 500k a year it would be amazing if only he wasn't on a back ended deal

 

[Foxman98]

Lobb will get whatever defender an opposition coach assigns to him. Many would view Naughton as more of a threat. The implication from Young is Lobb would be viewed internally as the #1 forward, hence Naughton being pushed down the pecking order from being our #1 forward this year.

Lobb at worst will get the 2nd defender however given his size and then position deep he will more than likely get the best defender which is what Bruce was getting last year before his ACL. Magically Hawkins and Cameron seem to not struggle with the #1 forward crap so why would Naughton?

 

[Libbaaaa]

If wecould get Haynes on around 500k a year it would be amazing if only he wasn't on a back ended deal

I would hope we would have a Larynx expert examine Haynes first.

 

[BarryMorgan]

if we trade for Haynes we could get him to take all the coin tosses, that’s a great deal.

I don’t recall his last coin toss going well.

 

[immortalmike]

Lobb's manager Young claimed yesterday that the club has indicated he would be the primary forward:

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Not sure Naughton or JUH want to be pushed down the pecking order, and what happens if Bruce rediscovers his mojo? We're going to have 4-5 KPFs (Darcy possibly as well), meanwhile 31yo Liam Jones and a band of mediums and short people holding down the defence. What could possibly go wrong?

More likely we'll have teams doing a Gilbee and playing someone who can run off Lobb and eating the one or two he'll kick the other way in order to help stop Naughton.

 

[Foxman98]

You are playing vs the Dogs your first thoughts regarding our forwards is who are we going to play on Naughton.

He will take the best defender ahead of Lobb and anyone else.

Once JUH gets going that is when Naughton JUH combo will be a sight watch out.

You are playing vs Geelong who do you match up on Hawkins or Cameron? Naughton the mobile one who can move up the ground Lobb will be the one to stay deeper as the target usually the deeper defender is the teams better one i.e Weitering, May ect

 

[Angak]

Just read some of the reaction to JJ staying… god some of you are pricks. JJ will be on stuff all now and is a best 22 forward. He’s done well the last two years when on the park.

JJ is a gun. Top 15 player at least.

Massive issue here is his professionalism. For large parts of the last 4-5 seasons JJ has looked overweight and just happy being AFL player without that unrelenting desire to be a Winner.

 

[Chalky White]

Unless he plays as a winger, he is pure depth. Nothing more.

JJ is a gun. Top 15 player at least.

Massive issue here is his professionalism. For large parts of the last 4-5 seasons JJ has looked overweight and just happy being AFL player without that unrelenting desire to be a Winner

 

[geoffjennings79]

Sometimes it's not worth getting into a discussions with abrasive responses where someone doesn't recognise both points of view have merit, not just their own. Oh well, it's an open forum I guess.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

More likely we'll have teams doing a Gilbee and playing someone who can run off Lobb and eating the one or two he'll kick the other way in order to help stop Naughton.

There are pros and cons of Lobb and it's heavily price dependent - but there is no way he allows teams to get away with not playing a body on him like has happened with Schache/JUH/Sweet/Darcy. He's no world beater but if you don't body him he will kick a lot more than two goals imo.

 

[BLACAE]

More likely we'll have teams doing a Gilbee and playing someone who can run off Lobb and eating the one or two he'll kick the other way in order to help stop Naughton.

Thats the thing though, if you don't respect him the he can kick 3 or 4 goals as he did in rnd 21.

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[Mutt]

Lobb will get whatever defender an opposition coach assigns to him. Many would view Naughton as more of a threat. The implication from Young is Lobb would be viewed internally as the #1 forward, hence Naughton being pushed down the pecking order from being our #1 forward this year.

Or it might mean that Lobb will largely play out of the goalsquare and stay mainly inside the forward 50 arc, allowing Naughton and JUH (and Darcy) to roam at will. Naughton would be so much more dangerous if he were constantly up and down the ground - similar to Jeremy Cameron. So against Melbourne, May would end up standing Lobb whether Melbourne liked it or not because May certainly isn't following Naughton or Ugle-Hagan up and down the wings. Lever and Petty would also have their hands full if our second and third talls were very mobile. To me the number 1 forward is the stand under the high ball, stay at home key forward.

 

[Unorth]

There are pros and cons of Lobb and it's heavily price dependent - but there is no way he allows teams to get away with not playing a body on him like has happened with Schache/JUH/Sweet/Darcy. He's no world beater but if you don't body him he will kick a lot more than two goals imo.

Also, Cordy/Schache/Buku/Bruce ruck minutes…can’t understate how much we’ve struggled with a 2nd ruck/fwd for almost all of Bevs tenure.

 

[Foxman98]

There are pros and cons of Lobb and it's heavily price dependent - but there is no way he allows teams to get away with not playing a body on him like has happened with Schache/JUH/Sweet/Darcy. He's no world beater but if you don't body him he will kick a lot more than two goals imo.

He either gets an undersized 2nd/3rd and kicks a bag like he did on Cordy or gets the #1 and frees up Naughton with Jamarra getting the 2nd or 3rd anyway. Agree it's on price i'll be pissed off if we trade a 1st for him but 2nd or less and it's a no brainier as teams actually respect him as a contested mark and don't sag off him