List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 6

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TIGERS RELENT IN DEAL FOR HOPPER

Richmond will begrudgingly release Ivan Soldo to Greater Western Sydney to seal the Jacob Hopper deal, as the Tigers plan for a potential five-man bench that could pave the way for clubs to play two full-time ruckmen.

Soldo is getting his head around leaving for GWS in a deal that Richmond hopes could see them hand over Soldo, pick 19 and a future first-rounder, but secure one of the Giants late 2022 picks.

The Tigers are hopeful of taking a selection to this year’s draft – potentially to even use on a young tall in the Jack Riewoldt succession plan – so hope the Giants might be willing to return a late pick to them.

The deal for Jacob Hopper could be close. Picture: Jason McCawley/AFL Photos

The deal for Jacob Hopper could be close. Picture: Jason McCawley/AFL Photos
But the intriguing element of the trade is what might happen to the controversial sub rule next year.

News Corp revealed mid-season that the lobbying from the AFL Doctors Association had brought about assurances from the AFL they would remove the current sub rule, which requires a doctor to rule a player must be likely to miss the next week through injury.


Richmond’s understanding is that there is a significant possibility the clubs might just be given a fifth player on the bench to use freely rather than a medical substitute, which has required an injury to bring the fifth player on.

A five-man bench would give clubs latitude to play a second genuine ruckman, rather than one with another tall who can also pinch-hit in the ruck.

Richmond would have been perfectly poised with Toby Nankervis and Soldo as an elite ruck duo but the Tigers realise releasing contracted Soldo is the only way to secure Hopper.

They have high hopes for Ben Miller and Samson Ryan and could also play Noah Balta as a second ruck.

But the club would love to keep Soldo, who rebuffed Western Bulldogs interest to sign a new three-year deal last year.

Ivan Soldo could be on his way to GWS. Picture: Michael Willson/AFL Photos

Ivan Soldo could be on his way to GWS. Picture: Michael Willson/AFL Photos
The Canberra-raised ruckman had a medical with GWS last week.

New Giants coach Adam Kingsley is a big fan of Hugo Ralphsmith but the Giants have plenty of running backs so have not asked for the 20-year-old – and Richmond will not release him.

Clubs would ideally have advance warning on what the 2023 sub rule or expanded bench would look like ahead of the trade period.

But given the tight turnaround from the 2022 season to the trade period, they have to make guesstimates on what the game will look like next year.

Richmond has only pick 31 after handing over selections 12 and 19 for Tim Taranto, but could ask for the last of GWS’ picks in the Hopper trade to secure a live draft selection.

GWS has picks 3, 12, 15, 18, 19, 44, 61, 63, and even the last of those selections would come in to about 50 given it’s not expected clubs will use their late picks.

Richmond secured five selections in the 2021 national draft – Josh Gibcus, Tom Brown, Tyler Sonsie, Sam Banks and Judson Clarke – and have high hopes for all of them.

It means they have been able to go all-in on two established midfielders on seven-year deals to round out their midfield core.

Looks like it's happening and looks like we will overpay whatever we have to get it done.

I've already accepted it. Not happy with it though.
 
Looks like it's happening and looks like we will overpay whatever we have to get it done.

I've already accepted it. Not happy with it though.

Yeah I'm a bit sceptical of it as well but hoping my thoughts change come Round 1 next year when both new boys are tearing it up in the middle. At least they've got a number of years left in them I guess. I'd be pissed if they were 27-28 and we were doing this.
 
Think he will be fine, out of everything the club has talked about Gibcus even during last years pre season reports was his professionalism and willingness to improve
He will do what he needs to, study the tapes but re ready to start next year without that looming over him, we have the leaders around him to help him as well who have had similar experiences at times during the careers

Also really excited to see Gibcus develop under Rutten as well
Was key in helping Rance, Grimes, Broad ect
hes got a bloke beside him who decided to kick against a 5 goal wind and had that error to ponder everynight for 5 1/2 months,came back not long after
and captained 3 flags in 4 years,Gibbo is surrounded by the absolute elite,i totally agree ,he'll be fine 🤩
 

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Looks like it's happening and looks like we will overpay whatever we have to get it done.

I've already accepted it. Not happy with it though.
Just got to trust the people making these decisions, they have a better understanding of both the benefits but also the risks, can’t really complain in Clarke and Hartley and the decisions they have made to this point

If it’s good enough for them it’s more than good enough for me
 
TIGERS RELENT IN DEAL FOR HOPPER

Richmond will begrudgingly release Ivan Soldo to Greater Western Sydney to seal the Jacob Hopper deal, as the Tigers plan for a potential five-man bench that could pave the way for clubs to play two full-time ruckmen.

Soldo is getting his head around leaving for GWS in a deal that Richmond hopes could see them hand over Soldo, pick 19 and a future first-rounder, but secure one of the Giants late 2022 picks.

The Tigers are hopeful of taking a selection to this year’s draft – potentially to even use on a young tall in the Jack Riewoldt succession plan – so hope the Giants might be willing to return a late pick to them.

The deal for Jacob Hopper could be close. Picture: Jason McCawley/AFL Photos

The deal for Jacob Hopper could be close. Picture: Jason McCawley/AFL Photos
But the intriguing element of the trade is what might happen to the controversial sub rule next year.

News Corp revealed mid-season that the lobbying from the AFL Doctors Association had brought about assurances from the AFL they would remove the current sub rule, which requires a doctor to rule a player must be likely to miss the next week through injury.


Richmond’s understanding is that there is a significant possibility the clubs might just be given a fifth player on the bench to use freely rather than a medical substitute, which has required an injury to bring the fifth player on.

A five-man bench would give clubs latitude to play a second genuine ruckman, rather than one with another tall who can also pinch-hit in the ruck.

Richmond would have been perfectly poised with Toby Nankervis and Soldo as an elite ruck duo but the Tigers realise releasing contracted Soldo is the only way to secure Hopper.

They have high hopes for Ben Miller and Samson Ryan and could also play Noah Balta as a second ruck.

But the club would love to keep Soldo, who rebuffed Western Bulldogs interest to sign a new three-year deal last year.

Ivan Soldo could be on his way to GWS. Picture: Michael Willson/AFL Photos

Ivan Soldo could be on his way to GWS. Picture: Michael Willson/AFL Photos
The Canberra-raised ruckman had a medical with GWS last week.

New Giants coach Adam Kingsley is a big fan of Hugo Ralphsmith but the Giants have plenty of running backs so have not asked for the 20-year-old – and Richmond will not release him.

Clubs would ideally have advance warning on what the 2023 sub rule or expanded bench would look like ahead of the trade period.

But given the tight turnaround from the 2022 season to the trade period, they have to make guesstimates on what the game will look like next year.

Richmond has only pick 31 after handing over selections 12 and 19 for Tim Taranto, but could ask for the last of GWS’ picks in the Hopper trade to secure a live draft selection.

GWS has picks 3, 12, 15, 18, 19, 44, 61, 63, and even the last of those selections would come in to about 50 given it’s not expected clubs will use their late picks.

Richmond secured five selections in the 2021 national draft – Josh Gibcus, Tom Brown, Tyler Sonsie, Sam Banks and Judson Clarke – and have high hopes for all of them.

It means they have been able to go all-in on two established midfielders on seven-year deals to round out their midfield core.
Nothing new here, we will give you Soldo if you give us a picks back, otherwise we know you need #31 for Melbourne so we know you are going to take the deal without Soldo anyway ....
 
That 5 man interchange thing is interesting, I would not feel comfortable going into 2023 if we don't have a somewhat established/mature second ruck. If Nank goes down we would be royally screwed
Remember though our midfield is going to be shit hot. If Nank goes down Ryan/Miller even Biggie could come in and it wouldnt be the end of the world.
 
Remember though our midfield is going to be s**t hot. If Nank goes down Ryan/Miller even Biggie could come in and it wouldnt be the end of the world.
I did think that, but having Ryan/Miller as a #1 ruck if Nank goes down is far from ideal. Not just at the stoppages but around the ground also. I'd be keen for us to take a look around the state leagues for a mature aged ruck (only if there's one worthy enough to be selected of course)
 
Remember though our midfield is going to be s**t hot. If Nank goes down Ryan/Miller even Biggie could come in and it wouldnt be the end of the world.
Just look at the final that Brisbane beat us in, they hud the ruck go down early, Nank dominated both hitouts and clearance but Brisbanes midfield still manages to compensate and win the game
A strong midfield can mitigate having a weak ruck department, look at what it 2017 season and it’s more proof of that
 
TIGERS RELENT IN DEAL FOR HOPPER

Richmond will begrudgingly release Ivan Soldo to Greater Western Sydney to seal the Jacob Hopper deal, as the Tigers plan for a potential five-man bench that could pave the way for clubs to play two full-time ruckmen.

Soldo is getting his head around leaving for GWS in a deal that Richmond hopes could see them hand over Soldo, pick 19 and a future first-rounder, but secure one of the Giants late 2022 picks.

The Tigers are hopeful of taking a selection to this year’s draft – potentially to even use on a young tall in the Jack Riewoldt succession plan – so hope the Giants might be willing to return a late pick to them.

The deal for Jacob Hopper could be close. Picture: Jason McCawley/AFL Photos

The deal for Jacob Hopper could be close. Picture: Jason McCawley/AFL Photos
But the intriguing element of the trade is what might happen to the controversial sub rule next year.

News Corp revealed mid-season that the lobbying from the AFL Doctors Association had brought about assurances from the AFL they would remove the current sub rule, which requires a doctor to rule a player must be likely to miss the next week through injury.


Richmond’s understanding is that there is a significant possibility the clubs might just be given a fifth player on the bench to use freely rather than a medical substitute, which has required an injury to bring the fifth player on.

A five-man bench would give clubs latitude to play a second genuine ruckman, rather than one with another tall who can also pinch-hit in the ruck.

Richmond would have been perfectly poised with Toby Nankervis and Soldo as an elite ruck duo but the Tigers realise releasing contracted Soldo is the only way to secure Hopper.

They have high hopes for Ben Miller and Samson Ryan and could also play Noah Balta as a second ruck.

But the club would love to keep Soldo, who rebuffed Western Bulldogs interest to sign a new three-year deal last year.

Ivan Soldo could be on his way to GWS. Picture: Michael Willson/AFL Photos

Ivan Soldo could be on his way to GWS. Picture: Michael Willson/AFL Photos
The Canberra-raised ruckman had a medical with GWS last week.

New Giants coach Adam Kingsley is a big fan of Hugo Ralphsmith but the Giants have plenty of running backs so have not asked for the 20-year-old – and Richmond will not release him.

Clubs would ideally have advance warning on what the 2023 sub rule or expanded bench would look like ahead of the trade period.

But given the tight turnaround from the 2022 season to the trade period, they have to make guesstimates on what the game will look like next year.

Richmond has only pick 31 after handing over selections 12 and 19 for Tim Taranto, but could ask for the last of GWS’ picks in the Hopper trade to secure a live draft selection.

GWS has picks 3, 12, 15, 18, 19, 44, 61, 63, and even the last of those selections would come in to about 50 given it’s not expected clubs will use their late picks.

Richmond secured five selections in the 2021 national draft – Josh Gibcus, Tom Brown, Tyler Sonsie, Sam Banks and Judson Clarke – and have high hopes for all of them.

It means they have been able to go all-in on two established midfielders on seven-year deals to round out their midfield core.
Legend, thank you
 
Just look at the final that Brisbane beat us in, they hud the ruck go down early, Nank dominated both hitouts and clearance but Brisbanes midfield still manages to compensate and win the game
A strong midfield can mitigate having a weak ruck department, look at what it 2017 season and it’s more proof of that
I guess I was more meaning if it was a long-term injury to Nank. I agree that for a game or two you can cope, but longer term I feel it's a bit more difficult
 

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We won a flag with Grieg as 2nd ruck.
A 22 yo Soldo in 2018-2019 surprised everyone coming out of no where.
Miller gives us flexibility backline,forward, ruck.
Ryan is a Goliath who is agile and can play forward, ruck,at 22 rinse and repeat Soldo.View attachment 1531365
I agree as a second ruck, not so much if one of them has to hold down the #1 spot for an extended period of time...
 
Just look at the final that Brisbane beat us in, they hud the ruck go down early, Nank dominated both hitouts and clearance but Brisbanes midfield still manages to compensate and win the game
A strong midfield can mitigate having a weak ruck department, look at what it 2017 season and it’s more proof of that

Mate they just won it and off the back of some shit defence and a dodgy goal review. It wasn’t like they beat us by 10 goals.

I get the view that we can get by with Miller/Balta/Ryan but it’s far from ideal
 
We won a flag with Grieg as 2nd ruck.
A 22 yo Soldo in 2018-2019 surprised everyone coming out of no where.
Miller gives us flexibility backline,forward, ruck.
Ryan is a Goliath who is agile and can play forward, ruck,at 22 rinse and repeat Soldo.View attachment 1531365

How was his AFL debut
 
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