Injury SJOGHCIU - Offseason Edition

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Reckon just ride out another 1-2win year then we can read about how great everyone looks training over summer.

Can't wait for pics.

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[bzparkes]

If the club considers Williams a 2nd ruck who is only playing 1st ruck due to Naitanui being on the list and not having another ruck, then isn't it the fault of the clubs management for signing Naitanui instead of replacing him with a journeyman ruckman?

Yeo may still be under contract but if his body is shot (I bet he makes a miraculous recovery if he goes to another team) make the tough call and try and trade him.

They tried get a number of ruckmen to the club but were unsuccessful. The club made comments about this after the trade period was over. Can't put a gun to players' heads and force them to move.

If Yeo's body is shot, who would take him? At his age, I can't really see him wanting to move. The mistake was putting him in the middle, instead of leaving him in the backline.

Having said that, we still don't know the extent of the injury and the scans themselves may simply be precautionary. Simmo simply said he was 'sore', so they really have no idea until he scans come back. No point melting over it until the news is announced.

 

[Keys]

Spend the money on getting someone like that Burgess guy.

Every team he goes to looks amazingly fit and it shows in their footy (don't reckon he's been part of a flag team though .. may be wrong)

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Burgess was with Melbourne when they won in 2021 then left to join Adelaide

Previously he’s had two stints at Port 2005-08 and 2012-17 with time at Liverpool and Arsenal

We’ve spent money to get Kilgallon to the club from Ireland who had also been at Sydney until covid hit. He’s introduced new practices but I noted a comment from Burgess when he arrived at Adelaide that it would take 2 years to see results - Adelaide have shown those results this year (his second at the club)

Hopefully another preseason with Killer and our boys will show a similar level of improvement

 

[VicBased]

Why is 30 too old?
Shuey, Gov and Yeo should all have years left of their career but they are being ruined by injuries.
Plenty of 29-32 year olds still playing good footy. Just look at Danger he's 33 had hammy issues in the past, is a crash and bash player with explosive speed and is still out running 20 year olds.

Looking at individuals you can always justify the circumstances but looked at as a group or pattern maybe we have an issue.
Maybe its in the recovery process after games as we seem to be getting training injuries atm as well. Or could be in the rehabbing of prior injuries or in the conditioning of the body to not break down, but in my personal opinion there are too many injuries over a short period of time for there not to be something wrong.

Having to jump on an airplane straight after the game with no proper warmdowns, ice baths etc and leaving it till the next day i think contributes greatly to the problem.
I think it especially affects our older players. I know when i travel Perth to Vic my body feels it.

 

[Frederico_WA]

They tried get a number of ruckmen to the club but were unsuccessful. The club made comments about this after the trade period was over. Can't put a gun to players' heads and force them to move.

If Yeo's body is shot, who would take him? At his age, I can't really see him wanting to move. The mistake was putting him in the middle, instead of leaving him in the backline.

Having said that, we still don't know the extent of the injury and the scans themselves may simply be precautionary. Simmo simply said he was 'sore', so they really have no idea until he scans come back. No point melting over it until the news is announced.

Need to throw everything into getting English.

Our senior blokes should be offered massive pay cuts in exchange for Simmo giving them a few more of his tickets.

 

[kranky al]

If Yeo's body is shot, who would take him? At his age, I can't really see him wanting to move. The mistake was putting him in the middle, instead of leaving him in the backline.

orrrr we could just do what other teams do and not play them in the middle once they start getting injury prone.

Yeo could win another aa as a backman but we will keep flogging him and shuey through the middle for what exactly?

 

[kaiserchief13]

They tried get a number of ruckmen to the club but were unsuccessful. The club made comments about this after the trade period was over. Can't put a gun to players' heads and force them to move.

If Yeo's body is shot, who would take him? At his age, I can't really see him wanting to move. The mistake was putting him in the middle, instead of leaving him in the backline.

Having said that, we still don't know the extent of the injury and the scans themselves may simply be precautionary. Simmo simply said he was 'sore', so they really have no idea until he scans come back. No point melting over it until the news is announced.

Why would a fringe ruck at another club not want to move for 1. More money and 2. Guaranteed best 22?

 

[plays tall 1]

FWIW, when asked by Duffield about the root cause of the injuries, Bell said they weren’t just accepting it’s down to bad luck and they go through each player’s injury and what was done in the lead up.

So in fairness, it’s not really the club saying it’s bad luck but posters like myself and I’m not getting much support for that opinion

As for prospective draftees and player managers questioning the clubs S&C it has no impact on draftees as they don’t get a choice.

However, there’s a possibility we have players asking to be traded if they feel they haven’t been looked after and/or players deciding not to come to the club via trade/FA due to concerns around our fitness issues.

Once drafted they have no choice. But, as we’ve seen in recent years, they can actively discourage clubs from drafting them. We don’t need to be giving them additional reasons to do that.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Why would a fringe ruck at another club not want to move for 1. More money and 2. Guaranteed best 22?

Was 2020 and 2021 All Australian Nic Naitanui being delisted in this scenario?

 

[DanWA]

Are people buying the bad luck story again?

 

[Mop]

If the club considers Williams a 2nd ruck who is only playing 1st ruck due to Naitanui being on the list and not having another ruck, then isn't it the fault of the clubs management for signing Naitanui instead of replacing him with a journeyman ruckman?

Yeo may still be under contract but if his body is shot (I bet he makes a miraculous recovery if he goes to another team) make the tough call and try and trade him.

You’d be a brave list manager to delist Naitanui albeit with injuries for a Jon Giles / Tom Hickey type.

That’s a risk you wear.
Not having experienced cover though? A different question.

 

[Mop]

Need to throw everything into getting English.

Our senior blokes should be offered massive pay cuts in exchange for Simmo giving them a few more of his tickets.

I wasn’t especially keen on throwing a heap of $$$ on English, but I do think he’s the right fit for us at this point.

The question mark is what happens with Barnett. Good prospect yes, but no ruck draftee outside of NN is a sure thing

 

[kaiserchief13]

You’d be a brave list manager to delist Naitanui albeit with injuries for a Jon Giles / Tom Hickey type.

That’s a risk you wear.
Not having experienced cover though? A different question.

Try and trade him. Could have maybe got a 2nd rounder from a club like Geelong, but the club values Naitanuis marketing ability more than playing ability

 

[bzparkes]

Why would a fringe ruck at another club not want to move for 1. More money and 2. Guaranteed best 22?

Dunno.

We apparently tried to get Meek from Freo and Jordan Sweet from Bulldogs. Unsure on others, I imagine they asked questions.

People underestimate the lack of attraction to move from the Eastern states to Perth, in my opinion. It's very far and for Vic players especially, they have a lot of options to stay in their home state.

 

[Mop]

Dunno.

We apparently tried to get Meek from Freo and Jordan Sweet from Bulldogs. Unsure on others, I imagine they asked questions.

People underestimate the lack of attraction to move from the Eastern states to Perth, in my opinion. It's very far and for Vic players especially, they have a lot of options to stay in their home state.

Meek we knew about - he made it clear he wanted to go home and Mitchell sold him on the plan.

I wasn’t familiar with the Jordan Sweet story though

 

[bzparkes]

Try and trade him. Could have maybe got a 2nd rounder from a club like Geelong, but the club values Naitanuis marketing ability more than playing ability

You can't just 'trade' players, it's not the NBA.

They have to want to go.

Naitanui is an icon for WCE. How do you think the players/fans would feel if he were suddenly pushed out the door, a la Adam Treloar/Jaidyn Stephenson/Brodie Grundy?

Sure, you can point to Collingwood now looking like world-beaters but you run the very real risk of disenfranchising players within your group, which is very ill-advised when you've only just embarked on a rebuild.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

“Just trade him to Geelong.”

Apart from the fact he was a free agent, he’s lived in Perth since he was a kid, he’s just had a kid of his own, Geelong just won a flag with makeshift rucks so there’s no earthly reason why they’d be keen to bring in a big name one, sounds like a fantastic idea.

 

[Frederico_WA]

I wasn’t especially keen on throwing a heap of $$$ on English, but I do think he’s the right fit for us at this point.

The question mark is what happens with Barnett. Good prospect yes, but no ruck draftee outside of NN is a sure thing

$$ would be the only way to get him away from Dogs if they're cant match it. We should not have as many bloated contracts as we do and be bottom dwellers.

Barnett and Jamo would benefit more under English in their development than with NN. NN spends most his time recovering from injury or building to a minimum level of fitness ... whereas English is can get our young rucks on a pathway to be more of a modern day ruck (which NN is not).

 

[bzparkes]

Meek we knew about - he made it clear he wanted to go home and Mitchell sold him on the plan.

I wasn’t familiar with the Jordan Sweet story though

First comment, of course:

 

[Grahame]

Having to jump on an airplane straight after the game with no proper warmdowns, ice baths etc and leaving it till the next day i think contributes greatly to the problem.
I think it especially affects our older players. I know when i travel Perth to Vic my body feels it.

This is not spoken about enough. WA teams need to push AFL to consider this in fixturing. No Tas games. All interstate trips are playing two games on six day break. Timing of interstate matches to allow best rehab (not sure if this means fly back same or next day). Etc.

Pavlich (350 games) 860K kms; Kade Simpson (340) 120K kms. Ridiculous to think it doesn’t have an effect.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I love how AFL teams can use the “awaiting scans”. Before that’s even leaked to the media, the player has had scans and has already got a rehab process in place.


We are mushrooms and in the dark we shall live.

I have missed your positivity. Welcome back

 

[Farang83150]

Having to jump on an airplane straight after the game with no proper warmdowns, ice baths etc and leaving it till the next day i think contributes greatly to the problem.
I think it especially affects our older players. I know when i travel Perth to Vic my body feels it.

You sure they don't do ice baths and warm downs after an interstate game?

 

[KERRPOW]

Naitanui is an icon for WCE. How do you think the players/fans would feel if he were suddenly pushed out the door, a la Adam Treloar/Jaidyn Stephenson/Brodie Grundy?

i dont think its affecting the playing group right now tbh, but i agree its not the sort of thing you want to be doing regularly.

THAT said, they need to be more brutal with the playing list. Why are they giving multiple year contracts to older players (yeo, nic, gov, cripps etc).

gov & cripps are out of contract this year (i think) and they should not be given more than a 1 year contract at no more than 600k & 400k respectively.

single year deals should be offered to yeo, gaff, darling even kelly once they come out of contract also on similar coin above.

This SHOULD be the last year for hurn & shuey.

i wouldnt be resigning nic unless he can play 15+ games next year, and that should only be 1 year deal on 400k.

if they want more money or more years then they are free to look around.

 

[ziad]

Burgess was with Melbourne when they won in 2021 then left to join Adelaide

Previously he’s had two stints at Port 2005-08 and 2012-17 with time at Liverpool and Arsenal

We’ve spent money to get Kilgallon to the club from Ireland who had also been at Sydney until covid hit. He’s introduced new practices but I noted a comment from Burgess when he arrived at Adelaide that it would take 2 years to see results - Adelaide have shown those results this year (his second at the club)

Hopefully another preseason with Killer and our boys will show a similar level of improvement

Burgess also spent time earlier with Sydney. He must have some skills as it can not all be luck.

 

[Hook461123]

Having to jump on an airplane straight after the game with no proper warmdowns, ice baths etc and leaving it till the next day i think contributes greatly to the problem.
I think it especially affects our older players. I know when i travel Perth to Vic my body feels it.

Yeah but maybe they need to change up the routine. American athletes like NBA and MLB players travel all the time. I know its not the same contact sports but we might be able to learn something from them. Plus we have charter planes now, the flights should be a bit more flexible if we need to go through a recovery process beforehand.

If we are struggling with recovery compared to other teams we need to find ways around it.