List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[sunny3193]

Yes I am most displeased with the current state of affairs on the weather front. Was in the Deep South for a few days and the winds are straight off the Antarctic ffs The 9° is a lie.

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Swell would have been spectacular.

 

[sunny3193]

Yes I am most displeased with the current state of affairs on the weather front. Was in the Deep South for a few days and the winds are straight off the Antarctic ffs The 9° is a lie.

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At least the killer whales were not being pestered by tourists.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Swell would have been spectacular.

You could say that!

Surfers take on 'mountain' of a wave, The Right, fuelled by huge swell off WA's south coast - ABC News

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[Dr Spaceman]

At least the killer whales were not being pestered by tourists.

Beats me why no one’s linking the orcas to the death sub


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[pebblesofsand]

People said the same thing about trading Armo, Stuv, Bruce, Gresh, Ross, Billings, Membrey.

The Cats traded Kelly and thrived. Same with GAJ. Hawthorn was fine after Buddy went to Sydney. We traded Plugger, Spida, and BBBH to Sydney at different times and kicked on afterwards each time.

As Gringo implied, it's not who you trade, it's who you keep afterwards. Can we cover the loss of an elite 28 yo half back, a pseudo-elite 27yo inside mid or a very handy 27 yo ruck? What could we get in a trade, and where could that get us?

I hope they are at least asking those questions.

Yep - no such thing a "heart and soul" player anymore. They are all professionals and would be aware that a club would trade them at the drop of a hat if the club thought it would bring them closer to a premiership.

If someone wants to pay what we consider overs for anyone on our list, I'd be taking it. Marshall, King, Steele, Sinclair, Billings- who ever.

In the end (other than Dustin Martin in his prime) there is not one player on any clubs list that will be the clear difference between a team winning or losing a grand final.

I'd have traded Nick Reiwoldt in his prime if I thought it would have won us a flag.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Blues fans spruiking we’re giving up pick 12 for TdK and JSOS lmao









We’re not, are we?

 

[Mowman]

Blues fans spruiking we’re giving up pick 12 for TdK and JSOS lmao









We’re not, are we?

The sad thing is nothing would surprise me with SOS and Gubby relics from the past

 

[LuckyBounce!]

Blues fans spruiking we’re giving up pick 12 for TdK and JSOS lmao









We’re not, are we?

So we are finishing 7th are we?

 

[bird_man]

Blues fans spruiking we’re giving up pick 12 for TdK and JSOS lmao









We’re not, are we?

JSOS is a free agent

 

[SteeleSaints]

We are going no where with the current group who played under Richardson & Ratten so I have put together some trade ideas. Whitfield (GWS salary dump) would be a good option, but is very similiar to NAS and Hill, I dont know how many of those types a side can manage. The other option is apparently WCE have themselves in all sorts of salary cap pressures, so a player or two might have to be released from there in salary dumps.

I just watched Gettable, Twomey is now suggesting Bergman is now more likely to remain at Port than leave. I dont know how hard we chased him, but I was never a fan given what we would have to give up for him in a trade. I would rather chase Doedee as a free agent even after his ACL injury. I wonder what sort of relationship Crouch had with Doedee and whether he could get him over the line. It had been claimed we have been talking to Ben McKay

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3.8

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1.7

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77.2

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7.5

2star

K

4.5

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3.0

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2.5

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1.5

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for sometime, so if we can get him across also it go a long way to improving the list.

So in summary the plan could look something like the following -

Gresham traded to Carlton for TDK & a 3rd round pick.
Doedee as a free agent (intercept marking defender).
McKay as a free agent (key defender).
Billings & 3rd round pick traded to GCS for Sam Flanders (midfielder).
Elliott Yeo (AA midfielder) & early 2nd round pick traded from WCE as salary dump. WCE pay 300k per year of salary.

The club needs to go back to the draft and use as many early picks as we can collect, take a midfielder with our 1st round pick and then best available. We might be even able to package our picks in a trade with GCS for points vs higher picks option.

Ins: TDK, McKay, Doedee, Yeo, Flanders, early 2nd round pick. Salary costs in possibly 2.8 million.
Out: Gresham, Billings and 3rd round pick received from Carlton. Salary costs out 1 million.

I doubt we get all the trades done but it would mean delisting or trading out another 6 players eg Connolly, Highmore, Campbell, Bytel, Sharman, Cordy?

Obviously getting the above done would depend on how much wriggle room we have with our salary cap and what we are going to have to offer our kids as their contract renewals come around.

 

[EconomicDecline]

Far out. Some dumb shit being proposed in here.

We are never going to be in a situation where we remotely get as good a deal for Sinclair as what Geelong got for Kelly. He was 5th in the Brownlow and West Coast saw him as the missing puzzle piece for their next premiership.

And when it comes to drafting elite talent through the draft, look at North. 3 years now where they’ve had practically the top picks and where are they? 17th with a percent age worse than the past 2 of 3 years where they’ve finished bottom 2.

The draft is no guarantee. Find the under performers, let them go, draft on position need and midfielders.

 

[crasha301]

I would trade anyone for the right price!

For example, I love Owens and think he's going to become an elite midfielder.

But if a ridiculous offer like multiple first rounders came in I'd take it.

If someone offered us a top 10 pick for Marshall I'd pack his bags.

A top 30 pick for membrey? Cya later.

The point is the majority of our senior players won't be there for our tilt at a premiership anyway.

I'd keep Sinclair and Steele. The rest I'd look at trading over the next 2-3 years and get the best picks available or delisting.

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[BrutThough]

I would trade anyone for the right price!

For example, I love Owens and think he's going to become an elite midfielder.

But if a ridiculous offer like multiple first rounders came in I'd take it.

If someone offered us a top 10 pick for Marshall I'd pack his bags.

A top 30 pick for membrey? Cya later.

The point is the majority of our senior players won't be there for our tilt at a premiership anyway.

I'd keep Sinclair and Steele. The rest I'd look at trading over the next 2-3 years and get the best picks available or delisting.

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There will never be a premiership tilt if you trade off any good player for drafts picks because they don't fit into some arbitrary time frame that's pulled out of a media commentators ass.

 

[hayes]

Far out. Some dumb s**t being proposed in here.

We are never going to be in a situation where we remotely get as good a deal for Sinclair as what Geelong got for Kelly. He was 5th in the Brownlow and West Coast saw him as the missing puzzle piece for their next premiership.

And when it comes to drafting elite talent through the draft, look at North. 3 years now where they’ve had practically the top picks and where are they? 17th with a percent age worse than the past 2 of 3 years where they’ve finished bottom 2.

The draft is no guarantee. Find the under performers, let them go, draft on position need and midfielders.

It’ll take some time but I’d rather be in North’s position than ours. They’ve got a midfield that will see them through the next decade and they’ll have another high pick this year. Obviously it’s no guarantee but being down the bottom gives you the chance to bring in the high end talent, hanging around mid table gets you nowhere fast.

 

[busso_mick]

There will never be a premiership tilt if you trade off any good player for drafts picks because they don't fit into some arbitrary time frame that's pulled out of a media commentators ass.

I think some people confuse Fantasy Footy with running a football club. With 57 years between drinks for our club (and counting) when will our next tilt be?

 

[SteeleSaints]

There will never be a premiership tilt if you trade off any good player for drafts picks because they don't fit into some arbitrary time frame that's pulled out of a media commentators ass.

Agreed, we need to keep our best players and build on them - not trade them out. There is a difference to trading out our best and most reliable players to others. Gresham, Billings, Clark, Coffield, Jones, McKenzie & Membrey are all good players but we could and have managed without them. Do the players mentioned make us a top 4 side if playing now and in form, highly unlikely. We all know our biggest weakness is our midfield and there lack of pace or spread. Perhaps Jones & McKenzie improve that, so the club has some tough decisions to make.

I know its an unpolular opinion but I would also be seeing what offers other clubs would make for Hunter Clark? If North came asking again this year and offered a reasonable trade - would we consider it? He is courageous and a good ball winner in close, but we cant keep carrying so many slow and limited midfielders.

 

[Moral Decay]

Until they were drafted to StKilda, in Seaford, under Richo, under Finnis.

Don't get me wrong I have compassion for them and your point of view, but it's the same standard I apply to myself, as an adult I'm the only one that can change my life, other people can offer the opportunity for change but I've still got to grab that chance and make the best of the opportunity.

There is a huge difference between being an adult and being a child, some people get there early some never get there at all, think Pendles and his recent thoughts on the stars getting more because they can't live a normal life. FFS none of these blokes live anything near a normal life, lets see how they live a normal life, working poor, mortgage if they can afford it, renting if they can't, wife working part time, two kids, commuting 2 hrs a day, driving a beater car with credit card payments up the wahoo, playing bush or suburban footy until their mid/late 20's when the injuries and concussions start to kick in. How many weeks can normal people go without a pay packet, before they're out of house and home and their lives in turmoil?

Bosses **** you over, banks the whole kit and caboodle, ordinary life is a damn sight harder than being a footballer, if Richo and Finnis are the hardest thing they have to get through, f*ck that would be good.

Ok I'm pissed off and pushing hard, if these blokes can get the cash and are not pushing themselves good luck to them, but how many of them can a football club afford? As much as they like if they don't care about finals or flags! I don't even blame them, but if they think their football is elite, if they think that they try hard enough they're kidding themselves, if they think they're worth pay rises they're delusional. Just how honest are they with themselves? I do blame the club that have such low standards and says it's ok, and I blame me and all the other fans that make excuses for them.

 

[Moral Decay]

Agreed, we need to keep our best players and build on them - not trade them out. There is a difference to trading out our best and most reliable players to others. Gresham, Billings, Clark, Coffield, Jones, McKenzie & Membrey are all good players but we could and have managed without them. Do the players mentioned make us a top 4 side if playing now and in form, highly unlikely. We all know our biggest weakness is our midfield and there lack of pace or spread. Perhaps Jones & McKenzie improve that, so the club has some tough decisions to make.

I know its an unpolular opinion but I would also be seeing what offers other clubs would make for Hunter Clark? If North came asking again this year and offered a reasonable trade - would we consider it? He is courageous and a good ball winner in close, but we cant keep carrying so many slow and limited midfielders.

How well has keeping hold of underachievers worked for us so far? We are mediocre with mediocre footballers, will holding on to them make us better next year? Or the year after? The test has already been run and run for the last 10 years. Lets just keep doing what we are doing and we'll get the same results, not good enough to win finals, and barely good enough to get there.

The question I want to ask all supporters. Do we want to be supporters who love the players and the club or do we want to win a flag? For anyone that wants to argue about how we get there and the merits of who might get us there, it hasn't worked so far. The likes of Gresham, Clark, Coffield, Hill, Roma, Steele, Billings haven't delivered so far. When did any of them deliver a match winning or match turning performance and how often do they do it? At their very best these guys are good ordinary footballers but too often they're just ordinary footballer or less than ordinary but they get paid $600k plus a year and get their egos stroked without delivering anything.

 

[crasha301]

There will never be a premiership tilt if you trade off any good player for drafts picks because they don't fit into some arbitrary time frame that's pulled out of a media commentators ass.

Doing what we've been doing first the last 13 odd years isn't working is it?

Is it a gamble? Yes! But unfortunately if you don't take them you sit middle table for years on end achieving nothing.

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[CarnTheSAINTERS]

people have very short memories when it comes to Steele - AA midfielder and elite contented ball winner before carrying the multiple injuries. Obviously no one is untouchable but putting him in the same category as Gresham Billings and Coffield is crazy.

 

[Moral Decay]

people have very short memories when it comes to Steele - AA midfielder and elite contented ball winner before carrying the multiple injuries. Obviously no one is untouchable but putting him in the same category as Gresham Billings and Coffield is crazy.

If someone came with 2 firsts would you think about it?
Without a doubt 2021 was elite last year less so and this year has been injury affected, without knowing what his long and short term injury prospects are, I'd have to ask the question.

 

[crasha301]

Im not for or against trading out Steele

But....

If we did and he got us a top 10 draft pick and we got Parish as a FA

Have we improved our list? I think yes.



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[70s sainter]

I would trade anyone for the right price!

For example, I love Owens and think he's going to become an elite midfielder.

But if a ridiculous offer like multiple first rounders came in I'd take it.

If someone offered us a top 10 pick for Marshall I'd pack his bags.

A top 30 pick for membrey? Cya later.

The point is the majority of our senior players won't be there for our tilt at a premiership anyway.

I'd keep Sinclair and Steele. The rest I'd look at trading over the next 2-3 years and get the best picks available or delisting.

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Haha Owens is the best player to walk in the door in 10 years and you would trade him for two top 10 picks ?? He’s the type of player you build a side around . Coffield and Clark were pick 9 and 10 weren’t they ?

 

[Bertha]

Beats me why no one’s linking the orcas to the death sub

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Or the Wagner Group, that pesky Yevgeny!

 

[Bertha]

people have very short memories when it comes to Steele - AA midfielder and elite contented ball winner before carrying the multiple injuries. Obviously no one is untouchable but putting him in the same category as Gresham Billings and Coffield is crazy.

The big difference there too is Steele has performed over a long period of time, the others have performed in a game.