Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2023, part I

[CatToTheFuture]

Imagine if Carr leaves now …not enough popcorn in the world

There’s already port supporters cancelling their membership over this extension as it is

If Carr leaves there will be a riot

 

[TheCatStevensExperience]

Imagine if Carr leaves now …not enough popcorn in the world

There’s already port supporters cancelling their membership over this extension as it is

Doubt he would give he withdrew from the Richmond race. Surely he'd have known about an extension?


Would be funny as shit though

 

[Hinkley29]

Yes Carr is the coach of Port on game day making the moves in the box. It’s been hushed up as the handover has already begun .

the handover has already begun and they just signed Kenny for another 2 years? That is a bloody long handover.

I know things move slowly in SA but that is ridiculous

 

[Hinkley29]

As much as you ridicule it, Ken has always deferred strategic decision making to his assistants. It's wasn't a stretch to say Carr was basically coaching outright.

It was a stretch. Ken has always been the head coach, and will be for the next 2 years.

In no way can that be misinterpreted. His title is Head Coach. Says it all really.

All coaches and leaders delegate tasks and responsibilities. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t coaching.

The coach that does it all model died years ago with denis pagan

 

[CatToTheFuture]

It was a stretch. Ken has always been the head coach, and will be for the next 2 years.

In no way can that be misinterpreted. His title is Head Coach. Says it all really.

All coaches and leaders delegate tasks and responsibilities. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t coaching.

The coach that does it all model died years ago with denis pagan

To be honest, the fact he was extended at all would have seemed more far fetched

 

[Strange Cat]

If Carr leaves there will be a riot

There will be riots if Port have a poor finals

Going to be hilarious if it occurs

 

[CatToTheFuture]

There will be riots if Port have a poor finals

Going to be hilarious if it occurs

The poor finals I think are expected so I think they're more likely to just laugh to be honest

 

[Strange Cat]

The poor finals I think are expected so I think they're more likely to just laugh to be honest

Unless they make the GF vs us and get walloped again

Unlikely but it would be very comical to watch the fallout

 

[Chinacats]

the handover has already begun and they just signed Kenny for another 2 years? That is a bloody long handover.

I know things move slowly in SA but that is ridiculous

the handover has already begun and they just signed Kenny for another 2 years? That is a bloody long handover.

I know things move slowly in SA but that is ridiculous

Port winning keeps the status quo … Kenny was booted from the box after round 3… so they’ll keep it like that.

 

[TheCatStevensExperience]

This is EXACTLY what you want in the lead up to finals.



Easy to say in hindsight, but I've always supected he might have been into some of the er, finer things in life.

 

[Mr Meow]

Port winning keeps the status quo … Kenny was booted from the box after round 3… so they’ll keep it like that.

Why would they keep him in a redundant role when it would cause no public backlash to release him?

 

[Turkey Tom]

This is EXACTLY what you want in the lead up to finals.

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Easy to say in hindsight, but I've always supected he might have been into some of the er, finer things in life.

I read a thread on Reddit last night about all this. Mind boggling. Not sure how true it all is, but looks like we are going to find out.

 

[Strange Cat]

I read a thread on Reddit last night about all this. Mind boggling. Not sure how true it all is, but looks like we are going to find out.

Cliff points?

 

[TheCatStevensExperience]

Cliff points?

One board member, an OH&S Lawyer, was concerned with Goodwin's behaviour and alleged drug and gambling issues.

He was forced out of the board because he wanted to do something about it. He's suing some of the Melbourne board directors over it

Bartlett is suing Roffey and three other Dees directors – David Robb, Steve Morris and David Rennick - alleging misleading and deceptive conduct and defamation, claims which the club says are “baseless” and will be “vigorously” defended.

Bartlett’s lawyers commenced new proceedings in the Federal Court in June after lawyers for the four Melbourne board members were successful in an application to have the case moved from the WA Supreme Court to the Victorian Supreme Court.

Worksafe Victoria are investigating an OH&S breach in relation to the handling of the Goodwin issue and Bartlett's departure (it seems?)

Goodwin has retained the services of the defamation lawyer Christian Porter used.

 

[TheCatStevensExperience]

Article excerpt:

WorkSafe Victoria has launched a probe into the Melbourne Football Club’s boardroom dispute as court documents reveal claims coach Simon Goodwin was abusing drugs.

Investigators visited the club two weeks ago seeking access to papers in a twist to the saga surrounding the sudden departure of former Demons president Glen Bartlett in April 2021.

A WorkSafe spokeswoman said: “WorkSafe has received a complaint relating to an alleged contravention of the Occupational Health and Safety Act and is investigating the matters raised.”

Goodwin has repeatedly denied having any behavioural issues and engaged top Sydney defamation litigator Rebekah Giles, who has acted for Brittany Higgins and former attorney-general Christian Porter.

It follows the release of documents by the Supreme Court of Western Australia detailing fresh claims in the legal standoff between Bartlett and four Melbourne directors.

A hearing in the dispute is scheduled in Perth on Tuesday (August 15).

In the most explosive claim, Bartlett’s fiancee Vicki Lapsas states that the former Dees boss was “dealing with information provided to him concerning Goodwin’s alleged drug use and gambling … among other issues … in about late 2020 and early 2021”.

Bartlett was forced out during the club’s 2021 premiership season after a major disagreement between Demons officials over Goodwin’s alleged conduct.

His exit came just months after the departure of long-time club doctor Zeeshan Arain.

In a sworn affidavit, Lapsas says: “Glen told me that as a president, an OH&S lawyer and a parent, he believed that he and the MFC board had an obligation to ensure the welfare and safety of Mr Goodwin, players and staff”.

Lapsas details one incident at the VIP September Club at the MCG after the 2019 AFL grand final where “Mr Goodwin stumbled into us outside” a marquee.

“Mr Goodwin was arm in arm with a woman … who was not his wife … and with another couple I did not know, incoherent and appeared to me to be affected by either alcohol or some other substance,” she alleges.

She details another conversation with Melbourne football boss Alan Richardson at the Kooyong Tennis Club in February 2021 where Richardson allegedly said - “unsolicited” - that “the senior coach was causing him serious headaches in relation to his off-field behaviour that was out of control on an interstate trip”.

According to Lapsas, Richardson said that “the problem with the senior coach was that he was not that intelligent” and “felt intimidated by very intelligent people”.

“With footy people you need to sort of come at things from a kumbaya approach because they just don’t get it,” Richardson is alleged to have said.

Before Bartlett’s removal, Lapsas says “the MFC board was working well together and had set up a sub-committee to assist Mr Goodwin with his personal and professional issues”.

“I know this because whilst we were in quarantine in Western Australia, Glen was chairing the March board meeting in our dining/kitchen area and I heard the directors discussing things in relation to the senior coach’s behaviour and they discussed the option of sacking him,” she says.

“I recall Glen saying words to the effect that he would not support such a thing and said he believed that Mr Goodwin would be MFC’s next premiership coach, subject to him behaving”.

In a comment not explicitly in relation to Goodwin, she said: “Glen was always respectful to everyone, he was totally committed and not prepared to just sweep issues under the table regarding cocaine use or gambling no matter how senior or powerful the person was …”

Lapsas also details an alleged telephone exchange with current Melbourne president Kate Roffey in March 2021 in which Roffey declared: “Look Vicki to be honest, most of the men on our board are misogynist … I think the whole footy department has a misogynist culture issue”.

She claims Roffey made “threats” about being unable to protect Bartlett from “my ABC colleagues” and allegedly claimed that as a woman “the AFL could not touch her”.

“You saw what happened to Eddie (McGuire after the ‘Do Better’ report),” Roffey is alleged to have said.

“You know that Eddie is not racist, you know that the Collingwood board isn’t racist, that investigation report was a total set up … done by the media and (Collingwood) board and if Glen isn’t careful well … I won’t be able to protect him from my ABC colleagues or other board members …”

Melbourne said in a statement: “The Melbourne Football Club is aware, through WorkSafe Victoria, that Victoria Laspas has made a complaint about the MFC. At no point has Victoria Laspas been a volunteer or employee of the club.

“Victoria Laspas is the partner of ex-president Glen Bartlett who ceased as a board member of the club in 2021.

“The club has responded to WorkSafe’s requests for documentation regarding club policies, staff training, employee induction and procedures. It rejects any wrongdoing.

“The club has also provided WorkSafe Victoria with documents and proof that contradict and refute claims by Victoria Laspas.

“Over the last two years, Glen Bartlett and his partner Victoria Laspas have continued to make allegations about historical events that are factually incorrect and baseless.

“The Melbourne Football Club is very proud of its culture. Its workplace policies, staff training programs, and employee inductions are highly regarded in the industry.

“The club is focused on the wellbeing and ambition of the club, its players and members. The board has every confidence in the leadership of the club. To confirm, the board of the Melbourne Football Club refute the claims made by Victoria Laspas.”

Bartlett is suing Roffey and three other Dees directors – David Robb, Steve Morris and David Rennick - alleging misleading and deceptive conduct and defamation, claims which the club says are “baseless” and will be “vigorously” defended.

Bartlett’s lawyers commenced new proceedings in the Federal Court in June after lawyers for the four Melbourne board members were successful in an application to have the case moved from the WA Supreme Court to the Victorian Supreme Court.

The AFL said it had been notified of the WorkSafe probe.

 

[TheCatStevensExperience]

Best bits:

In the most explosive claim, Bartlett’s fiancee Vicki Lapsas states that the former Dees boss was “dealing with information provided to him concerning Goodwin’s alleged drug use and gambling … among other issues … in about late 2020 and early 2021”.

Bartlett was forced out during the club’s 2021 premiership season after a major disagreement between Demons officials over Goodwin’s alleged conduct.

His exit came just months after the departure of long-time club doctor Zeeshan Arain.

In a sworn affidavit, Lapsas says: “Glen told me that as a president, an OH&S lawyer and a parent, he believed that he and the MFC board had an obligation to ensure the welfare and safety of Mr Goodwin, players and staff”.

Lapsas details one incident at the VIP September Club at the MCG after the 2019 AFL grand final where “Mr Goodwin stumbled into us outside” a marquee.

“Mr Goodwin was arm in arm with a woman … who was not his wife … and with another couple I did not know, incoherent and appeared to me to be affected by either alcohol or some other substance,” she alleges.

She details another conversation with Melbourne football boss Alan Richardson at the Kooyong Tennis Club in February 2021 where Richardson allegedly said - “unsolicited” - that “the senior coach was causing him serious headaches in relation to his off-field behaviour that was out of control on an interstate trip”.

According to Lapsas, Richardson said that “the problem with the senior coach was that he was not that intelligent” and “felt intimidated by very intelligent people”.

“With footy people you need to sort of come at things from a kumbaya approach because they just don’t get it,” Richardson is alleged to have said.

 

[Lana]

Best bits:

That is going make for a very awkward Match Committee meeting this week

 

[TheCatStevensExperience]

That is going make for a very awkward Match Committee meeting this week

Replace the whiteboard marker with crayons, I say

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Replace the whiteboard marker with crayons, I say

I would troll the other members and put kmart plates with lines of sugar on them

 

[Taper]

Doubt he would give he withdrew from the Richmond race. Surely he'd have known about an extension?


Would be funny as s**t though

Port supporters are turning on Carr now because they see him as a loser for being happy to work under Hinkley for another two years.
Also their 13 game win streak was purely because of individual brilliance from their young and exciting midfielders.

 

[Strange Cat]

Replace the whiteboard marker with crayons, I say

Hopefully there’s some that hasn’t been eaten by then

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Port supporters are turning on Carr now because they see him as a loser for being happy to work under Hinkley for another two years.
Also their 13 game win streak was purely because of individual brilliance from their young and exciting midfielders.

They're half right about the midfielders. Getting through on volume of talent.

 

[Mr Meow]

They're half right about the midfielders. Getting through on volume of talent.

Better take Worsfold's 2006 flag off him then.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Better take Worsfold's 2006 flag off him then.

Footy has changed a bit since sides were winning purely on talent

 

[Mr Meow]

Footy has changed a bit since sides were winning purely on talent

Talent has always been a key component, but I agree and hence claims of any current coach being carried by a few superstars is completely ludicrous.