List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[zyzzbruh]

Hayden could be a full time forward and push Amartey out of the side.

This trade puts pressure on for positions as well.

As good as McLean has been as a second ruck, ladhams would be a better second ruck option with McLean playing high forward filling that Sam Reid role more so.

 

[Adnico26Parker]

Cal on Brodie

 

[Kiama Chris]

When in form, which has been up and down since his big deal was signed, and not just around injuries. And for maybe 2-3 years.

I see Grundy as a definite improvement on the alternatives we currently have, but he won't be challenging for AA selection like he used to.

I'd prefer we keep both Ladhams and McAndrew as well, otherwise we face the same potential issues if Grundy goes down or regresses further with age. No experienced backup and no long term solution. If we lose one of them then we would need to hit up a mature ager in the rookie draft. I'm also bringing in May regardless (not turning down a rare and likely rookie pick academy ruck that was decent backup in a dominant Allies side).

Good call all round.

 

[Swannie0307]

 

[Kiama Chris]

I don't think there will be any problem with Sydney and Melbourne reaching agreement. It was always down to Grundy's choice.

 

[Slingshot Footy]

We need the fitness and medical team to make Melican our number one priority this off-season to give him every chance to play a full season next year. Hoping Arnold and Francis improve significantly to keep our defensive depth strong as I feel Essendon have a war chest to offer McKay that we would be foolish to match.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Hayden could be a full time forward and push Amartey out of the side.

This trade puts pressure on for positions as well.

It gives these young rucks some time. Rucks mature when they are 30, aside from the elites. It bides us time to work out what happens after Brodie. However what this does is it gives us a crack while Parker, Rampe and a few others are nearing the end

 

[kickthething]

Wow, so after 8 years of ignominy at North, he decides to escape to ESSENDON
I'm thinking being part of something greater is not high on his list of must haves.


Totally agree, another pre-season with us and I think we will see a very different Francis to the one we saw this year.

Still would have liked a 2mt+ monster for the backline though

Mackay wasn’t on my list, but to pick the Bombers ahead of staying at Norf is a worrying development for his decision making abilities.

 

[kickthething]

We need the fitness and medical team to make Melican our number one priority this off-season to give him every chance to play a full season next year. Hoping Arnold and Francis improve significantly to keep our defensive depth strong as I feel Essendon have a war chest to offer McKay that we would be foolish to match.

I think we OK without Mackay, Let’s not forget we have Arnold as a developing back as well as Francis. I suspect we go to the draft for a developing KPD. Perhaps Reid if he gets on the Park fills the role going into 2024.

 

[bedford]

I'm hoping the Dees have their eye on Jordon Sweet from the Dogs. Who has yet to put pen to paper, this is why I'm thinking our first will have to go to the Dees - who can then give something to the Dogs who will then bundle it up to get pick 4.

You heard it here first

I want Sweet

 

[Ticky009]

I want Sweet

Going to Port if they can swing the deal.

 

[Edmund hunt]

Yes or no on Harmes?
Then we will have 2 horses in our squad.

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[bedford]

Going to Port if they can swing the deal.

Who said ?

 

[Ticky009]

Who said ?

I've got 2 different sources in AFL Media now advising Port are interested. Eagles having a nibble as well.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Yes or no on Harmes?
Then we will have 2 horses in our squad.

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Not for mine. Doesn't fit our game style.

 

[Wheresbuddy]

Don't agree, if we get Grundy it might be the thing Pete needs. We sell Ladhams we'd need TWO rucks not 1, that's highly risky.

A couple of things
1) This is just my opinion but Ladhams is an idiot. Does stupid things, never learns his lesson. He's had so many chances, both at Port and with us and still behaves like a toddler. He is just better off gone. He has played a few good games but more crap ones, especially in the VFL, which just shows how petulant he is. And at 26, he is no longer in the category of someone who is young and stupid. He's just stupid.
2) We carried 4 rucks this year with 3 forward / rucks. When everyone was fit, it severely limited opportunities for the non AFL ruck. We had the ludicrous situation of playing all 4 rucks in the VFL whilst Mclean was our number one. It had a few negative effects for our squad as a whole. It didn't give our rucks coming back from injury a decent hitout, in particular Hickey who took a few games to get up to fitness. It also had the effect of limiting ruck time for Stretch and especially Owen who really had little chance to show what he could do in thr ruck. Finally, it unbalanced our VFL team. At times we had Owen in defence, Hickey and Ladhams forward and Stretch rucking. This ludicrous setup stymies the development and opportunities for our players in reserves.

We only need 3 rucks, 2 AFL ready (Grundy and Stretch) one developing (Owen or May) backed up by Mclean, Amartey, Buller and maybe Reid.

But having said all this, I'm sure Ladhams will stay. No one else would want such a loose cannon. And as always, happy to be proven wrong too - the penny might finally drop for him.

 

[bedford]

I've got 2 different sources in AFL Media now advising Port are interested. Eagles having a nibble as well.

So where does it say about a deal , don't get fooled by AFL MEDIA CONTENT HACKS

 

[Adnico26Parker]

Tradies podcast (Sam McClure and Mitch Cleary):

James Harmes

22

James Harmes

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.4

5star

K

9.4

4star

HB

10.0

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

2.4

4star

D

16.3

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

8.9

4star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.6

3star

CL

1.9

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.2

2star

- Richmond, Carlton, Sydney, Essendon "have enquired about him through his management" (McClure)

Ben McKay

32

Ben Mckay

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

- possibly 48-72 hours away from finding out; North waiting for offers that come in to ensure Band 1 compo pick (Cleary), Sam raised their "Ben and Harry" podcast, and thinks they may drop news this way...

 

[Bonz]

Mackay wasn’t on my list, but to pick the Bombers ahead of staying at Norf is a worrying development for his decision making abilities.

Honestly think North prefer the draft pick (Don't blame them).

But rate North's list moving forward.

 

[mtooler]

But is Zerk Thatcher better than Melican, Francis or possibly Arnold? He's not significantly bigger. Now, if you said Jordan Ridley....

Not at all imo.

 

[Kiama Chris]

A couple of things
1) This is just my opinion but Ladhams is an idiot. Does stupid things, never learns his lesson. He's had so many chances, both at Port and with us and still behaves like a toddler. He is just better off gone. He has played a few good games but more crap ones, especially in the VFL, which just shows how petulant he is. And at 26, he is no longer in the category of someone who is young and stupid. He's just stupid.
2) We carried 4 rucks this year with 3 forward / rucks. When everyone was fit, it severely limited opportunities for the non AFL ruck. We had the ludicrous situation of playing all 4 rucks in the VFL whilst Mclean was our number one. It had a few negative effects for our squad as a whole. It didn't give our rucks coming back from injury a decent hitout, in particular Hickey who took a few games to get up to fitness. It also had the effect of limiting ruck time for Stretch and especially Owen who really had little chance to show what he could do in thr ruck. Finally, it unbalanced our VFL team. At times we had Owen in defence, Hickey and Ladhams forward and Stretch rucking. This ludicrous setup stymies the development and opportunities for our players in reserves.

We only need 3 rucks, 2 AFL ready (Grundy and Stretch) one developing (Owen or May) backed up by Mclean, Amartey, Buller and maybe Reid.

But having said all this, I'm sure Ladhams will stay. No one else would want such a loose cannon. And as always, happy to be proven wrong too - the penny might finally drop for him.

I reckon 4 proper rucks is ideal.
An AFL first ruck Grundy.
An AFL first ruck back up Ladhams OR McAndrew who might be playing as a forward/ruck in AFL (Ladhams) or as first ruck in VFL (Ladhams and/or McAndrew).
A project ruck who will play limited minutes in VFL as a forward or back and back up ruck if there is an injury.
You might be able to get away with 3 if they stay healthy but you will recall that we started rucking McLean because both Hick and Ladhams were injured and obviously felt McAndrew wasn't ready.
Forward/rucks are another discussion.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Tradies podcast (Sam McClure and Mitch Cleary):

James Harmes - Richmond, Carlton, Sydney, Essendon "have enquired about him through his management" (McClure)

Ben McKay - possibly 48-72 hours away from finding out; North waiting for offers that come in to ensure Band 1 compo pick (Cleary), Sam raised their "Ben and Harry" podcast, and thinks they may drop news this way...

Harmes would fit much better at Richmond.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Okay - so Tom Morris is very accurate usually. So this can give us some confidence

Port Adelaide officially out of Grundy race as Sydney trade a near-certainty

Tom Morris has the latest.

www.sen.com.au

Only troubling thing: a decision being made based upon “work-life balance”.

That could mean a few different things.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Only troubling thing: a decision being made based upon “work-life balance”.

That could mean a few different things.

Its very fascinating the reasons Port decided to withdraw their interest.

Unlikely to be ever known but Tom Morris has gone with "different life perspectives"

What does that mean?

 

[Bloods86]

A couple of things
1) This is just my opinion but Ladhams is an idiot. Does stupid things, never learns his lesson. He's had so many chances, both at Port and with us and still behaves like a toddler. He is just better off gone. He has played a few good games but more crap ones, especially in the VFL, which just shows how petulant he is. And at 26, he is no longer in the category of someone who is young and stupid. He's just stupid.
2) We carried 4 rucks this year with 3 forward / rucks. When everyone was fit, it severely limited opportunities for the non AFL ruck. We had the ludicrous situation of playing all 4 rucks in the VFL whilst Mclean was our number one. It had a few negative effects for our squad as a whole. It didn't give our rucks coming back from injury a decent hitout, in particular Hickey who took a few games to get up to fitness. It also had the effect of limiting ruck time for Stretch and especially Owen who really had little chance to show what he could do in thr ruck. Finally, it unbalanced our VFL team. At times we had Owen in defence, Hickey and Ladhams forward and Stretch rucking. This ludicrous setup stymies the development and opportunities for our players in reserves.

We only need 3 rucks, 2 AFL ready (Grundy and Stretch) one developing (Owen or May) backed up by Mclean, Amartey, Buller and maybe Reid.

But having said all this, I'm sure Ladhams will stay. No one else would want such a loose cannon. And as always, happy to be proven wrong too - the penny might finally drop for him.

Is Stretch ready to ruck full time, for a large part of the season if Grundy went down? I don't think we can be confident of that, hence why we need Ladhams or some other mature ager brought in (as well as May).