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[SkyhorseTamer]

Absolutely reprehensible tactics at under 16 level. Considering tagging is taboo in the under 18 championships.
I saw the second half and while it was nit brutal by AFL standards, he seemed to get obligatory shoulders and elbows from almost every oppo player he encountered. Had plenty of blocks trying to quell his influence. He was clearly fed up in the latter part of the game. I did not see his dominant first quarter.

It is sad that a kid is subjected to that kind of aggression as a 15 year old. You can sort of understand some attention at club level for an opposition star, but a National carnival designed to showcase young talent should see it off limits. It is a sign of respect from opponents, but is contrary to the spirit and likely the rules of the game at the level.

He is clearly big enough to cop it. He is certainly tending more to “bull” than his old man at such an early age. Probably has been a focus from Andrew and other coaches to have bulked up so much, so early with his lineage.

Nah it's absolutely awesome. Trial by fire breeds the best champions. Otherwise you get Nick Daicos who with even a smidge less talent would be utterly dogshit due to his softness. Coddled his whole life. 'whispers'. Geeet outta here with that shit.

Afl is the only sport that coddles it's youth so much.

Get into the men's system as a cricketer exposed to all sorts of brutal mental tactics, bumper barrages and things if you're half talented by 14. It's essentially the key reason Sydney grade cricket shits out more great cricketers per capita than any other system in the world. And it does that despite the shitheap politics, farcical selection favouritism and private school vs public school biases. Imagine the targeting you get playing against Doug bollinger as a 15 year old.

Handle adversity. Get exposed early. Stop being soft.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

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1. Teaching defensive responsibility should be done by more coaches.
2. It is the opposition coaches job to develop his players. Not an opposition player. If he deemed they'd get great lessons playing tighter that's great coaching.

Disagree. In 16s players should be focusing on developing their flair and skill by playing on instinct. Defensive schemes and scragging players at stoppage should be left for later in their development or we'll be left with a crop of robotic Ross Lyon style footballers plaguing the AFL for years to come.

To have a whole team actively try and beat up on a 15 year old to prevent him from playing well in what's essentially a glorified exhibition match is utterly stupid.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Nah it's absolutely awesome. Trial by fire breeds the best champions. Otherwise you get Nick Daicos who with even a smidge less talent would be utterly dogshit due to his softness. Coddled his whole life. 'whispers'. Geeet outta here with that shit.

Afl is the only sport that coddles it's youth so much.

Get into the men's system as a cricketer exposed to all sorts of brutal mental tactics, bumper barrages and things if you're half talented by 14. It's essentially the key reason Sydney grade cricket shits out more great cricketers per capita than any other system in the world. And it does that despite the shitheap politics, farcical selection favouritism and private school vs public school biases. Imagine the targeting you get playing against Doug bollinger as a 15 year old.

Handle adversity. Get exposed early. Stop being soft.

I don't think it will be bad for Cody, the earlier he's exposed to copping opposition attention the better imo. But I still have a massive issue with coaches implementing the tactic at such a young age. I just finished watching the replay and the kids who were smacking him about should be encouraged to take the game on and learn the strengths of their game, not make it their mission to whack and scrag others unless they see themselves getting drafted as a specialist tagger (which almost never happens)

 

[bradfisher14]

Just quietly, it could be a blessing in disguise for him to learn how to play through a tag at this age…

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Nah it's absolutely awesome. Trial by fire breeds the best champions. Otherwise you get Nick Daicos who with even a smidge less talent would be utterly dogshit due to his softness. Coddled his whole life. 'whispers'. Geeet outta here with that shit.

Afl is the only sport that coddles it's youth so much.

Get into the men's system as a cricketer exposed to all sorts of brutal mental tactics, bumper barrages and things if you're half talented by 14. It's essentially the key reason Sydney grade cricket shits out more great cricketers per capita than any other system in the world. And it does that despite the shitheap politics, farcical selection favouritism and private school vs public school biases. Imagine the targeting you get playing against Doug bollinger as a 15 year old.

Handle adversity. Get exposed early. Stop being soft.

Right or wrong tagging is basically outlawed at all U18 talent pathways levels.

It's for a pretty good reason. The talent scouts want to get a like for like view of the talent across all of the kids. You don't want one kid appearing better than another because he wasn't tagged whilst another was.

 

[Jatz]

Right or wrong tagging is basically outlawed at all U18 talent pathways levels.

It's for a pretty good reason. The talent scouts want to get a like for like view of the talent across all of the kids. You don't want one kid appearing better than another because he wasn't tagged whilst another was.

What about future taggers though?

Some kids will only make it onto a list through their tagging ability, surely they should be able to showcase that as well.

 

[BlueJet]

Nah it's absolutely awesome. Trial by fire breeds the best champions. Otherwise you get Nick Daicos who with even a smidge less talent would be utterly dogshit due to his softness. Coddled his whole life. 'whispers'. Geeet outta here with that shit.

Afl is the only sport that coddles it's youth so much.

Get into the men's system as a cricketer exposed to all sorts of brutal mental tactics, bumper barrages and things if you're half talented by 14. It's essentially the key reason Sydney grade cricket shits out more great cricketers per capita than any other system in the world. And it does that despite the shitheap politics, farcical selection favouritism and private school vs public school biases. Imagine the targeting you get playing against Doug bollinger as a 15 year old.

Handle adversity. Get exposed early. Stop being soft.

Well said.
I see the existing set-up a bit like an NBA all star game for intensity. Which promotes bruise free, front runners, that once drafted will need to develop their defensive side anyway.

 

[Christou2Kouta]

One bit of current footy culture that I hate seeing is every time a player wins a holding the ball free kick, they have to shove the player on the ground before taking the kick. It's really pathetic and it bothers me when you see it being replicated in these under age games.

 

[Pinnell]

One bit of current footy culture that I hate seeing is every time a player wins a holding the ball free kick, they have to shove the player on the ground before taking the kick. It's really pathetic and it bothers me when you see it being replicated in these under age games.

Agree. A lot of the bumping/niggling that goes on off the ball (and before a bounce) filters down to junior footy. And guess what? The niggle leads to fights. AFL has a lot to answer for.

 

[Coops93]

Absolutely reprehensible tactics at under 16 level. Considering tagging is taboo in the under 18 championships.
I saw the second half and while it was nit brutal by AFL standards, he seemed to get obligatory shoulders and elbows from almost every oppo player he encountered. Had plenty of blocks trying to quell his influence. He was clearly fed up in the latter part of the game. I did not see his dominant first quarter.

It is sad that a kid is subjected to that kind of aggression as a 15 year old. You can sort of understand some attention at club level for an opposition star, but a National carnival designed to showcase young talent should see it off limits. It is a sign of respect from opponents, but is contrary to the spirit and likely the rules of the game at the level.

He is clearly big enough to cop it. He is certainly tending more to “bull” than his old man at such an early age. Probably has been a focus from Andrew and other coaches to have bulked up so much, so early with his lineage.

To be honest, I don't hate it for us long term.

If he comes into the league being accustomed to copping some attention that will only help him transition into the league. We've seen what the tag has done to guys no used to it - Daicos, Rowell, Rozee etc. If he's got experience working through it then all the better.

edit I see this has been covered, hadn't read this page before replying.

 

[Coops93]

One bit of current footy culture that I hate seeing is every time a player wins a holding the ball free kick, they have to shove the player on the ground before taking the kick. It's really pathetic and it bothers me when you see it being replicated in these under age games.

What's wrong with a bit of shi**housery? It happens in every sport in the world, I have no issue with it. It's not "current footy culture" either, it's always happened.

I remember in under 14s/15s having my ankle stomped on and my head shoved into the ground after being tackled. That stuff has been in the game at most levels forever.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Even Riley Bev and Cal Twomey on Gettable today made mention of Walker getting tagged in the U16s game yesterday. Said it says a bit about how well he's going and that Carlton have a very special player coming through.

 

[RPCB]

Sooo… what if Cody nominates Richmond?

 

[skadoosh]

Sooo… what if Cody nominates Richmond?

If he does... I'll eat a hat.
Andrew Walker's hat.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Sooo… what if Cody nominates Richmond?

Won't happen because they won't be able to match a bid inside 40 anyway

He's also apparently a mad Blues fan too

 

[RPCB]

Won't happen because they won't be able to match a bid inside 40 anyway

He's also apparently a mad Blues fan too

I know it won’t happen, just posting a way out of the box scenario.

 

[RPCB]

If he does... I'll eat a hat.
Andrew Walker's hat.

Even Cody has been seen wearing a hat. Solid family business.

 

[Christou2Kouta]

What's wrong with a bit of shi**housery? It happens in every sport in the world, I have no issue with it. It's not "current footy culture" either, it's always happened.

I remember in under 14s/15s having my ankle stomped on and my head shoved into the ground after being tackled. That stuff has been in the game at most levels forever.

It’s done every single time there’s a holding the ball free kick and it’s so cowardly because you get to be a douche and they can’t respond lest they give away 50m.

I don’t mind it if it’s in response to specific niggle and it’s a form of payback against a mouthy opponent but that can’t be the case every single time.

I loved Matt Scarlett punching Hayden Ballantyne in the face because he had been agitating every opponent in every game for years.

Shoving someone after a free kick is such a confected show of bravado.


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[teddy-hopkins]

What about future taggers though?

Some kids will only make it onto a list through their tagging ability, surely they should be able to showcase that as well.

Not sure that one is too high on the recruiters checklist.

 

[Juice030103]

He still had 15 touches after getting tagged in 3 quarters, not horrible


I think early days of course, but top 3 pick lock

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Won't happen because they won't be able to match a bid inside 40 anyway

He's also apparently a mad Blues fan too

That's going to change... if not this year then certainly next.

I'm tipping it'll be top 20, there are some murmurs about it having no limit too... but I don't think that'll happen.

Regardless, he'll be nominating the Blues anyway.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Sooo… what if Cody nominates Richmond?

 

[Jimmae]

????

1. Teaching defensive responsibility should be done by more coaches.
2. It is the opposition coaches job to develop his players. Not an opposition player. If he deemed they'd get great lessons playing tighter that's great coaching.

Nah it's absolutely awesome. Trial by fire breeds the best champions. Otherwise you get Nick Daicos who with even a smidge less talent would be utterly dogshit due to his softness. Coddled his whole life. 'whispers'. Geeet outta here with that shit.

Afl is the only sport that coddles it's youth so much.

Get into the men's system as a cricketer exposed to all sorts of brutal mental tactics, bumper barrages and things if you're half talented by 14. It's essentially the key reason Sydney grade cricket shits out more great cricketers per capita than any other system in the world. And it does that despite the shitheap politics, farcical selection favouritism and private school vs public school biases. Imagine the targeting you get playing against Doug bollinger as a 15 year old.

Handle adversity. Get exposed early. Stop being soft.

Playing tighter is one thing, letting people be thugs and constantly get in the face of an opposition player without upholding the laws of the game is another.

In cricket you will eventually see an intervention for verbal abuse, and it's also a very different game in terms of physical confrontation and the time and place and repeated intensity that is framed.

It is much more pure in terms of it being the active and core contest, and it is readily adjudicated at all levels as a result. Same with rugby scrums for the most part. AFL is a lot more fluid and a lot gets missed at the levels with amateur umpiring, so there should be some concessions, especially given the level of collisions without protective gear.

When automated umpiring tools finally get off the ground, then my stance will change because people being low life ****wits will see themselves ejected from the game.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Playing tighter is one thing, letting people be thugs and constantly get in the face of an opposition player without upholding the laws of the game is another.

In cricket you will eventually see an intervention for verbal abuse, and it's also a very different game in terms of physical confrontation and the time and place and repeated intensity that is framed.

It is much more pure in terms of it being the active and core contest, and it is readily adjudicated at all levels as a result. Same with rugby scrums for the most part. AFL is a lot more fluid and a lot gets missed at the levels with amateur umpiring, so there should be some concessions, especially given the level of collisions without protective gear.

When automated umpiring tools finally get off the ground, then my stance will change because people being low life ****wits will see themselves ejected from the game.

Agree - it's the same old story - people confuse being 'dirty' with being 'tough'. Two different things.

 

[Aphrodite]