List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Mulldogg]

Kade Herbert from SA would be a great late pick up for a winger . Elite runner , hard tackler, good overhead and neat kick.

Been stuck behind the camerrialli twins this year so didn't get to show his potential .

The what twins?

 

[bzparkes]

The what twins?

The camerrialli twins mate.

 

[eaglevision]

The camerrialli twins mate.

Exactly, the Calamari twins.

 

[Goomba1973]

What!!

22 is potentially 3 spots lower than Hawks F1st. If they win the flag there first is pick 18.

And north aren't giving 22 for darling no matter how much we pay. They might give 40, and I'm keeping that for a late slider this draft.

If Hawks want darling 13 and F1 is it. Nada mas. Basta.

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Yes I know, I'm talking about "getting " pick 22 from North for Darling ... I can see Hawks giving up 2 first rounders.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

WEST COAST
Trade out: Junior Rioli, picks No.2, 40
Trade in: Picks No.8, 12, 2023 second-round pick (tied to Port Adelaide), 2023 third-round pick (tied to Port Adelaide)

It’s widely accepted that 2 was traded for 8 and 12 leaving the remainder was the Rioli deal which we stupidly bundled into it. The future picks became 2023 pick 40 (traded) and 49 (Johnston).

So essentially we traded Rioli and pick 40 for F2 (40) and Johnston.

We then traded 40 and F3 (2024 pick 41) for 38 (Hall). So the net result is Rioli, 2022 pick 40 and 2024 pick 41 for Hall and Johnston.

It was a terrible deal, we essentially gave him away after the ensuing deals.

I love the bloke for 2018, but he was 2 minutes from walking away from football. We had no leverage.

Need Clay Hall to come good.

 

[Obeanie1]

It definitely won’t be 5 and it probably won’t be 10.

Hawthorn are just entering their window, they are not some beat up old team like Collingwood on their last legs at the end of their window or ready to implode like Melbourne.

Hawthorn will be a lot better with Barrass and Battle in their backline not worse.

If we end up exchanging our F2 for Hawthorn’s F1 it will continue our tradition of limp waisted trading.
Willi Rioli just about won the game for PA and we traded him for #40 or something.

Development is not linear. Teams do not automatically keep improving every year.

Hawks will get a harder draw in 2025 and they got on a pretty decent winning g run this year.

Two new key defenders don't automatically gel with new team-mates and game plans. It often takes a year for players traded in to hit their best. Look at Schultz this year.

So Hawks 2025 finish I don't see as automatically being higher and there is just as much chance they finish lower. This season was very even from 11th to 5th. Very even.

 

[Elite Pete]

I love the bloke for 2018, but he was 2 minutes from walking away from football. We had no leverage.

Need Clay Hall to come good.

We did say we were going to get ‘significant’ compensation.

 

[Goroyals22]

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[Happy Mastenator]

North are tapped. Jack stealing money at this stage

 

[Elite Pete]

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Good for all parties. Would’ve been great to see Jack play 300 at the club but it’s a smart deal. Be interesting to see what how much we pay.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

I get the feeling the Darling trade will be a lot less than we expect.

He'll be traded for a token pick (pick 58) and us possibly picking up part of his salary as well.

 

[Mop]

I get the feeling the Darling trade will be a lot less than we expect.

He'll be traded for a token pick (pick 58) and us possibly picking up part of his salary as well.

Why would we take his salary for nothing in return?

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Why would we take his salary for nothing in return?

Because paying $200,000 is better than paying $800,000 for a WAFL player.
Don't be surprised if the Allen and Waterman contracts are also very heavily front loaded, leaving more room to give Harley a huge contract extension.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Development is not linear. Teams do not automatically keep improving every year.

Hawks will get a harder draw in 2025 and they got on a pretty decent winning g run this year.

Two new key defenders don't automatically gel with new team-mates and game plans. It often takes a year for players traded in to hit their best. Look at Schultz this year.

So Hawks 2025 finish I don't see as automatically being higher and there is just as much chance they finish lower. This season was very even from 11th to 5th. Very even.

If you're betting against Hawks you are betting on the fact that they are a system team, not a team driven by elite players, and systems can be countered.

They need someone in the midfield to take the next step into elite levels. Will Day the obvious one. Like McDonald as well.

Also, they had super health. 11 of their top 12 possession winners played 22 or more games.

Could easily go sideways next year with a backward step followed by going again in 2026.

 

[Goomba1973]

I was on the Baker train earlier, would definitely help our team whichever area of the ground he plays in but I just think this draft needs to be a real win for us so I don't want to lose any draft capitol in the first 2 rounds which won't be enough for Richmond
I'm also not sure how realistic the PSD threat is in this situation.
I want us to keep pick 3 and take draper,Lalor or Langford. Really hope we don't split it unless 4 is coming back(5 with the ashcroft bid I guess)

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Slip back to 4 if Draper is still on the board....Tell Adelaide you can have our pick 3 for your pick 4 and next years 1st. Then we'll still get a gun mid. Smilie, Lalor, OSullivan, Smith etc... one of them will still be there at 4.

 

[ziad]

Exactly, the Calamari twins.

salt and pepper?

 

[bzparkes]

Slip back to 4 if Draper is still on the board....Tell Adelaide you can have our pick 3 for your pick 4 and next years 1st. Then we'll still get a gun mid. Smilie, Lalor, OSullivan, Smith etc... one of them will still be there at 4.

Adelaide are not giving up next year's first to move up one position in this draft for Draper.

I'm sick to death of seeing this being bandied about. Makes this board look stupid.

 

[DanWCE]

Because paying $200,000 is better than paying $800,000 for a WAFL player.
Don't be surprised if the Allen and Waterman contracts are also very heavily front loaded, leaving more room to give Harley a huge contract extension.

I can't see us doing that unless we're creating room to bring someone else on. We will have plenty of money to throw around without paying JDs way

 

[Goomba1973]

Adelaide wants Drapes to match their Curtin?

I'll see myself out...

GOLD!!!
The Crows should have taken the deal offered last year

 

[HoneyBadger35]

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Will be really sad that Jack doesn’t get to 300 with us, but it’s simply the right call at every level. Hope we pay heaps and get Pick 40.

 

[Goomba1973]

Adelaide are not giving up next year's first to move up one position in this draft for Draper.

I'm sick to death of seeing this being bandied about. Makes this board look stupid.

Stranger things have happened, and it doesn't hurt to ask, and they probably will. Doesn't make the board look stupid at all , it's called speculation and we are all entitled to speculate.
What makes the board look stupid is people whingingt about people speculating. ...

 

[mat11]

DaRLinG iS cOnTrAcTeD aNd A pRemiErShIp pLAyEr CoUgH uP 2 fIRstS nOrF

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Slip back to 4 if Draper is still on the board....Tell Adelaide you can have our pick 3 for your pick 4 and next years 1st. Then we'll still get a gun mid. Smilie, Lalor, OSullivan, Smith etc... one of them will still be there at 4.

The most we will get for a slide from 3 to 4 from the crows would be a late second rounder, so like a F3. Now that's useful for us with Fs acadamy next year, but it won't materialise into another pick in this draft.

This draft, they need picks for Welsh, lukosious, Neal Bullen.

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[Goomba1973]

Ough’s strengths are his disposal by hand and foot, his power and that he can play on both the inside and outside. Not particularly known for his speed or tank but no doubt will have been working on both this year and I don’t expect him to test poorly.

Van Der Struyf might be the winger you’re thinking of if you’re talking about speed, comfortably runs a sub 3 second 20m sprint. Boxshall if you’re talking about being a good runner.

I like both Artemis and Boxshall as rookie picks. I think Boxshall will go before then and he’ll test well at the combine, both him and Clancy Dennis have huge tanks and if both are still on the board at 59 I think WCE will strongly consider them.

I'd take Artemis has a fouth rounder. My kid played Auskick with him, I've watched him play since then and he is special . One of the quickest in the whole draft, can run all day, takes the game on, high footy IQ, great disposal by foot....he's a sleeper. He'll climb the draft boards after the combine.

 

[Bacchus]

Development is not linear. Teams do not automatically keep improving every year.

Hawks will get a harder draw in 2025 and they got on a pretty decent winning g run this year.

Two new key defenders don't automatically gel with new team-mates and game plans. It often takes a year for players traded in to hit their best. Look at Schultz this year.

So Hawks 2025 finish I don't see as automatically being higher and there is just as much chance they finish lower. This season was very even from 11th to 5th. Very even.

What you/we’re talking about is pure speculation.

What we do know is that we will finish below them and probably several positions below them making the trade of F1 for F2 a pick upgrade of a few places. F1 for F2 is not getting a second first rounder when you are trading a high second rounder for it.

Hawthorn are a young team who were 4 points off a prelim at a hostile away ground.

We need to get other potential buyers involved in this trade if this is the best Hawthorn come up with.