List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[pantskyle]

Likely future 4th for Darling.

 

[1Bally1]

North are tapped. Jack stealing money at this stage

i cant view can someone screenshot and send plz

 

[Ochre]

Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

The reason for his attendance at North today was due to doctor's orders. West Coast have been provided with a medical certificate. He has been diagnosed as suffering from a work related injury and as a result he is on sick leave till further notice. He will not go into any details as to his medical condition as he wishes to keep that strictly private. He is doing his best to work with the club and his doctors so he can recover from his injury. He intends to return back to training as soon as he is fit and able

 

[bzparkes]

Stranger things have happened, and it doesn't hurt to ask, and they probably will. Doesn't make the board look stupid at all , it's called speculation and we are all entitled to speculate.
What makes the board look stupid is people whingingt about people speculating. ...

Adelaide have taken precisely one SA player in the top 10 in the past 15 years, Riley Thilthorpe.

Go and read the Adelaide board's D&T thread and you'll see most have not much more than a passing interest in Draper.

I posed your exact question there last week and they just laughed at it.

I fully expect them to make a play for Dyson Sharpe next year, a la their play for JHF.

Draper is good but he's not a generational talent worth taking yourself out of the first round the following year for.

Sharpe looks like that guy.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Likely future 4th for Darling.

Talk of paying salary?

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Likely future 4th for Darling.

Yeah, you definitely shouldn't be expecting anything mind blowing in exchange for him. Good for us though since we're clearing $800,000 off our books. Or maybe 600K if we agree to pay 200k of it, or whatever we agree to pay...either way it's a win.

 

[andana]

Pick?

 

[Elite Pete]

What you/we’re talking about is pure speculation.

What we do know is that we will finish below them and probably several positions below them making the trade of F1 for F2 a pick upgrade of a few places. F1 for F2 is not getting a second first rounder when you are trading a high second rounder for it.

Hawthorn are a young team who were 4 points off a prelim at a hostile away ground.

We need to get other potential buyers involved in this trade if this is the best Hawthorn come up with.

We are getting pick 13* as well.

Going to be a lot of upset supporters in here with this trade

 

[Happy Mastenator]

i cant view can someone screenshot and send plz

Was just the news on Darling having a medical with North and a 2 year contract on the go.

 

[1Bally1]

Was just the news on Darling having a medical with North and a 2 year contract on the go.

thanks

 

[noobermensch]

In this game Bo Allan was given a chance to play as one of Peel's primary onballers on the big stage of a prelim final. It wasn't a prolific game for Bo, but he acquitted himself well and put together a few exiting passages of play to tease watchers with his immense potential. The defensive side of the game is where Allan is most accomplished and impactful at this stage, and where he's likely to immediately contribute most strongly at AFL level. His athleticism and physicality allow him to close space rapidly and lay powerful tackles, and he's diligent when playing the sweeping role on the defensive side of the contest. The moments when he tucks the ball under his arm and bursts free of congestion before roosting a deep and penetrating left foot ball into the forward 50 are what get's everyone excited for what he might be capable of in the future.

 

[pantskyle]

Talk of paying salary?

Not 100% but wouldn't be surprised if we're chipping in something. Realistically I think we're happy clearing 600k at least from next years cap.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Pick?

Pick 2 mate, handshake deal pending the medical.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Not 100% but wouldn't be surprised if we're chipping in something. Realistically I think we're happy clearing 600k at least from next years cap.

I guess neither team really needs cap relief that badly, but is there a reason we’d need the money off? Salary floor dictates we can’t exactly just go on an NBA style spending spree but clearing JD and TB off the books.

 

[pantskyle]

I guess neither team really needs cap relief that badly, but is there a reason we’d need the money off? Salary floor dictates we can’t exactly just go on an NBA style spending spree but clearing JD and TB off the books.

I think it's more of a case of allowing the player to continue his career. Will be interesting to see what we plan to do with the sudden available cash.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I think it's more of a case of allowing the player to continue his career. Will be interesting to see what we plan to do with the sudden available cash.

Yep, if someone is offering him footy in 2026, you can’t stand in his way because it certainly won’t be here.

Hope Chad Warner likes beach front real estate.

 

[JackOutback]

This is possible but on the lower end of probability.

If future picks are being traded high probabilities should be taken into account not low ones.

It is close to certain we will finish 15 - 18 (#19 - 22 before all the crap is added in) and Hawthorn will finish 1 - 5 (#14 - 18).

Best case scenario is we finish 15 (#22) and Hawthorn finish 5 (#14) leaving an 8 place gap. The worst case scenario would be a 1 place gap between 18 and 19.

Let’s halve between 1 and 8, and make it 4. Nothing to get excited about there.

I don't think the 'best case scenario' is Hawthorn finishing fifth. They may not be a beaten down Collingwood, but they do resemble a young Freo that surged into the top eight only to miss the finals for the next two years. Or Melbourne in 2018. Too many moving parts to just assume Hawthorn's stocks continue to rise. At the beginning of this season, they were terrible and in line for priority picks.

 

[kane249]

Pick?

Third rounder is about the best we could hope for IMO

 

[whatis]

Barrass and 23 for Hawks 12, 30, and F1?

Avoid speculation on Hawks vs WC ladder position next year (F2, F3 values). And downgrade 23 to 30 for Baker this year.

 

[andana]

Third rounder is about the best we could hope for IMO

Pick Free?

 

[Bacchus]

I don't think the 'best case scenario' is Hawthorn finishing fifth. They may not be a beaten down Collingwood, but they do resemble a young Freo that surged into the top eight only to miss the finals for the next two years. Or Melbourne in 2018. Too many moving parts to just assume Hawthorn's stocks continue to rise. At the beginning of this season, they were terrible and in line for priority picks.

Essentially gambling on where Hawthorn might finish next year is poor trading imo.

There is no science or logic to it, it is pure guesswork. All teams are different.

One thing is absolutely certain, we will be below them.

 

[Jupes]

WEST COAST
Trade out: Junior Rioli, picks No.2, 40
Trade in: Picks No.8, 12, 2023 second-round pick (tied to Port Adelaide), 2023 third-round pick (tied to Port Adelaide)

It’s widely accepted that 2 was traded for 8 and 12 leaving the remainder was the Rioli deal which we stupidly bundled into it. The future picks became 2023 pick 40 (traded) and 49 (Johnston).

So essentially we traded Rioli and pick 40 for F2 (40) and Johnston.

We then traded 40 and F3 (2024 pick 41) for 38 (Hall). So the net result is Rioli, 2022 pick 40 and 2024 pick 41 for Hall and Johnston.

It was a terrible deal, we essentially gave him away after the ensuing deals.

couldn't believe this shit at the time. still gets me mad thinking about it.

 

[Convocation]

Something to make some supporters REALLY happy....

"While foxfooty.com.au understands Josh Rotham looks highly unlikely to receive an extension after 72 games across six seasons at the club."

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I’m surprised how high a value people are placing on Barrass. When Hawks were sitting on pick 8 or 9, it felt about right. Now that it is pick 13, I believe a little sweetener is needed.

What is that sweetener?

Talk of 2 x R1 feels over rated.

The R1 pick has lost 4 or 5 places so the idea about Hawks F1 for our F2 would see us improve from 2 to 10 spots at end of 2025 first round. It comes with risk but probably more upside than downside. Worse case with any priority picks and FA compo would be an upgrade of 5 spots. Who can see Tigers not collecting a pair of wooden spoons!

Alternatively it is pick 30.

Either of those I’m ok with

All boards will be very different this year and provided we use it wisely, great then we accelerate the rebuild. Whether St Blunder get band 1 or 2, I expect there will be good options at 13. If it was 16, it gets less likely. And I do not include Allan as a target I want at 13.

In terms of Hawks, I expect they will be keen to offer their F2 so that they can stay in this years draft. Big preference on current R2 and not F2

 

[TOA.]

couldn't believe this shit at the time. still gets me mad thinking about it.
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We had a stinker but Willie really screwed us over and he as a good chance to walk to PSD for nothing. In hindsight we could have just played hard ball and let that happen as what we ended up getting back was SFA.

The blokes at Port (Cripps and others) are very sharp hard ball operators and far too good for our blokes at the time.