List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency - Fred 11

What Picks Will Richmond Get For Baker Bolton & Rioli

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Roos I reckon want Tauru, but not at pick-2.

So I’d love to do 6 and 18 for 2. Locks away Lalor and FOS, and gives us half a dozen elite picks in total.

1, 2, 10, 11, 20, 24.

So what’s better?? FOS (2) or Smillie (6) and Lindsay (18)?

Even if we need to give 6 and 11 for 2, I reckon we do it. And I hope we do it.



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docko911 said:
Brisbane shouldn’t have had a choice but to trade their future first or multiple players.

If we bid on Ashcroft at pick 1 it would cost them 2400 points. If Marshall gets a bid around 20 it would cost them over 700 points. That’s 3100 points they need to match the 2 bids.

Brisbane will only have 4-5 list spots (I’m assuming 5 because they were keen on multiple picks in the 40s).

Let’s say they get 6 picks to be generous. Find me a way they get 6 picks worth 3100 points without trading their future first. If they don’t have enough points they go into deficit and that first pick drops further down the order in a draft where picks will be worth less points.

The best Melbourne could do in 5 picks was 1703 points. The Carlton pick was only worth another 584 points. That’s not even enough to match a pick 1 bid.

We should have worked pick 20 and Brisbanes F1 into our trades with GC and Freo, and sent them back picks 29, 30, 31, 42 and 43.

We could’ve ended up with picks 6, 10, 11, 13 & 20. Instead we’ll be lucky to have 3 of them.
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Sometimes I'm amazed that posters on here think they have thought of draft deals and options than people who are paid to do so and spend the entire years planning, did not think of.

IF that was an option, don't you think we would have done it? Clearly none of that was an option. At this point I'm just not sure why you don't have a job at Richmond. Over 5 minutes while taking a shit you've thought of a trade idea that gets us multiple first rounders for nothing more!

At some point some of you surely have to understand that these guys know more than you and that every explored trade option IS NOT REPORTED in the media. Just because you didn't hear about it, doesn't mean it wasn't thought of or that there wasn't any conversations with other teams about it.
 
tigs2010 said:
Thought Matty Clarke would be better list manager than recruiter. I could be wrong 😂😂
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never trust a man with a permanent smile
 
tigerisland said:
Calls for 10,11 and 18 at Freo for Shai and Baker is a bad deal for us. Baker is worth more than 18 and 10,11 is bare minimum for Shai. They would need to add a future second round as a minimum.
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baker doesnt want freo, shite club that doesnt win flags
 
Mr Magic said:
he did not deliver a dynasty.

We got Dusty on the back of plough the year before when he departed. Cotch, JR and Rance where earlier not to mention others.


would we have won regardless of Blair?? quite possibly in a different way, Dimma was more important than Blair

Francis and the draft recruiting can lay more claim to the dynasty than Blair
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Yeah, Blair had nothing to do with the list build. I mean we were such a force in the competition when he took over our list management.
Like I said, you know nada about trading and drafting strategies Mate.
Over and out now, pointless having a discussion with you and your mad thoughts.
 
tigerisland said:
Calls for 10,11 and 18 at Freo for Shai and Baker is a bad deal for us. Baker is worth more than 18 and 10,11 is bare minimum for Shai. They would need to add a future second round as a minimum.
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It could be better, but it also could be worse. In an even draft those are 2 great picks and 1 good one.

Potentially blowing up that to get a future second is a bit silly. Freo should push 2 4 with those guys, so you're talking about a pick in the early to mid 40s...in a weaker draft. Basically what we just gave 3 away of + 32 just for pick 20.

Would be insane to die on that hill and risk those picks for something of so little value
 
Where is the information linking Carlton to picks 2/3?

Carlton now has picks 12 and 14 and is content to use them both in the national draft.

To trade the future first and second rounders the Blues gave up their No.36 pick and No.66 pick and secured the Lions future second-rounder and this year’s pick 73.

It allowed the Blues under league rules to trade both picks because they still had a future second rounder.

The Camporeale brothers are still likely to land at Carlton. Picture: Keryn Stevens

The Camporeale brothers are still likely to land at Carlton. Picture: Keryn Stevens

The Blues have not had recent discussions with Houston and believe he is still Collingwood-bound if the Pies, Gold Coast and Port Adelaide can agree on a three-club deal.

But if the Houston deal falls over _ and there are still five days to run on the trade period _ then the Blues would offer pick 12 for the dual All Australian.

They have traded out pick 36 and must retain their future second-rounder linked to Brisbane, so have little more left to give.

They would use pick 12 and one of Matt Kennedy or Lewis Young but the Power seems uninterested in either of those two players.

 

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tigerisland said:
Calls for 10,11 and 18 at Freo for Shai and Baker is a bad deal for us. Baker is worth more than 18 and 10,11 is bare minimum for Shai. They would need to add a future second round as a minimum.
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Yeah but now Blooze have #14 West Coast have nothing to trade for Baker. 10,11,18 is good for Baker and Bolton to Freo imo.
 
austyn08 said:
Refreshing to read a balanced article for once.
Bolton is their massive point of difference, especially after watching Brisbane smalls tear it up in the GF.
Blair will get our picks.
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Balanced? He tells us that Bolton is a star and could be the difference for Freo then says:

and it is right to say the Tigers' demands of pick No.10 and 11 in a first-round that clubs are desperate to climb into is over the top.
Thats' flipping bullsh*t. He's worth 2 x first rounders every day of the week and one of them should be a single digit number.
He's a Freo fan isn't he.
 
THE THIN MAN said:
Where is the information linking Carlton to picks 2/3?

Carlton now has picks 12 and 14 and is content to use them both in the national draft.

To trade the future first and second rounders the Blues gave up their No.36 pick and No.66 pick and secured the Lions future second-rounder and this year’s pick 73.

It allowed the Blues under league rules to trade both picks because they still had a future second rounder.

The Camporeale brothers are still likely to land at Carlton. Picture: Keryn Stevens

The Camporeale brothers are still likely to land at Carlton. Picture: Keryn Stevens

The Blues have not had recent discussions with Houston and believe he is still Collingwood-bound if the Pies, Gold Coast and Port Adelaide can agree on a three-club deal.

But if the Houston deal falls over _ and there are still five days to run on the trade period _ then the Blues would offer pick 12 for the dual All Australian.

They have traded out pick 36 and must retain their future second-rounder linked to Brisbane, so have little more left to give.

They would use pick 12 and one of Matt Kennedy or Lewis Young but the Power seems uninterested in either of those two players.

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tigerfan1961 said:
Yeah, Blair had nothing to do with the list build. I mean we were such a force in the competition when he took over our list management.
Like I said, you know nada about trading and drafting strategies Mate.
Over and out now, pointless having a discussion with you and your mad thoughts.
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I love Mr Magic ’s takes. He’s an original thinker who’s not a hater.
 
TiggerMan22 said:
Sometimes I'm amazed that posters on here think they have thought of draft deals and options than people who are paid to do so and spend the entire years planning, did not think of.

IF that was an option, don't you think we would have done it? Clearly none of that was an option. At this point I'm just not sure why you don't have a job at Richmond. Over 5 minutes while taking a shit you've thought of a trade idea that gets us multiple first rounders for nothing more!

At some point some of you surely have to understand that these guys know more than you and that every explored trade option IS NOT REPORTED in the media. Just because you didn't hear about it, doesn't mean it wasn't thought of or that there wasn't any conversations with other teams about it.
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There’s plenty of people on these boards that would be as skilled as the paid recruiters/list managers. Most of them got their jobs because of who they know or who they are.

A lot of the trades posted on here have been considered in depth and are quite logical. The main reason these trades don’t happen is because list managers spend too much time posturing and holding out for a better deal.

I could be wrong but I’d be surprised if GC would’ve knocked back a deal for pick 6, 13 & 29 that landed them Brisbanes future first, Rioli and picks worth more points than 29.

So now we’ve traded all those picks away because we demanded 6 & 13 for Rioli, we probably won’t get 13 (unless we give up 20, 24 or our future 2nd).

I know which pick I would prefer!
 
It’s weird reading some of the Freo posters. They seem more determined to ‘win’ one trade than look at the big picture. They’re close list wise, I reckon they need to push their chips into the middle of the table. Bolton seems perfect for them if they are genuinely wanting to go for a flag…
 
SunshineBoy said:
That speech by o’rourke maybe a hinderance
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Nothing that can't be repaired.

In the end if Baker nominates for the PSD we have a choice of either picking some delisted reject or picking Baker who is a proven quality and quantity.

Unless if another player of similar or better quality also nominates for the PSD, there is no real loss in picking Baker. There is only upside and no downside.

It's either Baker deciding to stay and play with us or he decides to just walk away which pretty much the same outcome in not selecting him. It would be a pretty ballsy move to walk away and give up a $800k+ per year contract though.
 
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They are the AFL’s real-life “Jerry Maguires” – the player agents behind the game’s biggest stars, who are charged with negotiating major contracts and helping broker blockbuster trades.

Love them or hate them, none of the likes of Dan Houston, Bailey Smith, Daniel Rioli, Liam Baker or Tom Barrass will find a new home by deadline night next Wednesday without their agents. Let’s look at who they are and how the dealing works.

Prominent player agent Paul Connors at last year’s AFL draft with his client Nick Watson, who was picked up by Hawthorn.

Prominent player agent Paul Connors at last year’s AFL draft with his client Nick Watson, who was picked up by Hawthorn.

Who are the most prominent agents?​

There are 103 accredited agents across 52 companies, with TGI Sport – formerly known as TLA – boasting the most AFL clients (12 per cent of the league’s players), from Connors Sports (11 per cent) and Hemisphere (seven per cent).

Tom Petroro is the main man at TGI Sport and sits on the AFLPA agent accreditation board.

Matt Bain, Jason Dover and Michael Doughty are among Petroro’s TGI colleagues. Their clients include Patrick Cripps, Marcus Bontempelli, Zach Merrett, Lachie Neale, Jesse Hogan, Andrew Brayshaw, Nat Fyfe, Jordan Dawson and Taylor Walker.

Tom Petroro is another leading player agent.

Tom Petroro is another leading player agent.Credit:Getty Images

This trade period Bain is trying to find a new home for Carlton’s Matt Owies.
They also look after coaches Sam Mitchell and Craig McRae.

Connors Sports, including Paul Connors, Robbie D’Orazio and Nick Gieschen, celebrated the company’s 25-year anniversary in September and are heavy hitters in the industry.

As usual, they are in the thick of the action this trade period, from Houston to Smith, Barrass, Jake Stringer and the still-simmering Clayton Oliver saga. Connors Sports also represents the likes of Charlie Curnow, the Daicos brothers, Nick and Josh, Patrick Dangerfield, Tom Lynch, and the King twins, Max and Ben.

Hemisphere continues to emerge as an AFL management powerhouse, led by Alex McDonald, David Trotter and Perth-based Tom Seccull.

The company has its share of star power, with Jeremy Cameron, Scott Pendlebury, Steven May, Jake Lever, Will and Levi Ashcroft, Hugh McCluggage, Max Holmes, Harry Himmelberg, Harry McKay and Jack Steele.

How do they sign players?​

The player managers operate under strict rules and regulations set by the AFL Players’ Association – they cannot approach, speak to, or even “follow” a prospect on social media before October 1 in their 16th year – but the highly competitive atmosphere means pushing the limits is a necessary risk.

Every major agency has copped a fine for a minor indiscretion in recent years, from contacting players too early to running camps with ineligible players.

“It’s very competitive during the year – the recruiting is ruthless,” a leading agent, who was granted anonymity to speak more candidly, told this masthead. “If we had a trade period for the draftees, we’d need the clubs to come and mediate.”

It does not end there, with agents sometimes switching between companies, which triggers a scramble from both parties to retain talent, Jerry Maguire-style.

Julian Petracca, the brother of Melbourne superstar Christian, made the move from Hemisphere to Connors Sports this year, while Connors Sports stablemate Nick Gieschen crossed from TLA a few years back. Mark “Maxy” Kleiman also joined Kapital Sports Group from TLA a couple of years ago.

It is more common for players to switch management groups, but they must follow a process to terminate agreements, including notifying their agent, and there may be fees owing, depending on the timing and circumstances.
Accredited agents’ initial approach to a talent pathway player must be through a letter of introduction via the agent portal, after which they need to wait three days or more to contact that player or their parents or legal guardians.

Players can use the same portal to indicate whether they are happy for agents to contact them.
Even once 16-year-old footballers are eligible to be contacted, the AFLPA also adds in a further period before they can sign a standard player agent agreement (SPAA), so they have time to weigh up their options.

Meanwhile, agents cannot offer, or provide, any incentives, such as money, goods, training or other benefits, to convince a player to sign with them.

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What cut do agents take?​

The SPAA, which is signed by the player and agent, outlines the specific services – from marketing to professional development and even their transition out of the sport – the manager will provide, as well as the fee, which is typically about four per cent.

That fee is negotiable, and can be less or sometimes closer to 10 in certain cases, depending on the services involved, the company and the individual agent.

The complexities involved in this entire process are why the AFLPA take agent conduct so seriously.
“It’s an important role that requires intricate knowledge and understanding of AFL and CBA rules, the programs and services that are available to players, as well as the agent regulations,” the AFLPA’s general manager of legal, Megan Comerford, told this masthead.

“As our football landscape continues to develop, the ongoing education and development of all accredited agents is critical, and the AFLPA is strongly committed to this.

“We also value accredited agents as a source of understanding and information about what issues players are facing, and as a support mechanism for our members.”

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How have the big moves played out?​

Agents have various key roles during the AFL’s annual swap-fest, from keeping their nervous clients calm, finding a new club for unsigned, unwanted or undervalued players, and serving as mediators between warring list bosses.

Take Petroro, for instance, the instigator behind the so-called “mega deal” from the 2018 trade period, with help from colleagues Bain and Gieschen, when he was still at TLA.

With negotiations at a standstill, Fremantle – who were trying to secure Hogan and Rory Lobb – turned to Petroro for help, and he went to work to concoct an extraordinary and complicated arrangement that eventually involved eight clubs.

Melbourne, Brisbane, Port Adelaide, Fremantle, Hawthorn, Gold Coast, GWS and North Melbourne all played a part in the series of swaps.

Petroro was the obvious choice to play deal-maker, given six of the players who switched clubs were TLA clients: Hogan, Lobb, Chad Wingard, Lachie Neale, Sam Mayes and Jack Hombsch.

Dylan Shiel, Steven May and Kade Kolodjashnij were the other footballers to move.

In that same year, in the Wingard deal, another agent, Marty Pask, of Kapital Sports Group, had to pick up the pieces after then-Hawks coach Alastair Clarkson rang Pask’s client Ryan Burton – who was in Las Vegas – to effectively tell him he was on the trade table.

Burton was blindsided and understandably emotional, but Clarkson wanted Wingard badly.

Pask had to negotiate different time zones to get Burton’s head around the situation and sell to him a move to the Power, the club he supported after growing up in South Australia.

Former AFL footballer-turned-agent Liam Pickering also famously brokered Lance “Buddy” Franklin’s secret nine-year, $10 million deal with Sydney that shocked the industry – and in particular, the Giants, who thought they were set to secure the game’s biggest name from Hawthorn.

These are the types of situations that managers must be ready to tackle and find a solution for.
 
mctiger33 said:
It’s weird reading some of the Freo posters. They seem more determined to ‘win’ one trade than look at the big picture. They’re close list wise, I reckon they need to push their chips into the middle of the table. Bolton seems perfect for them if they are genuinely wanting to go for a flag…
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Yeah if they go to the draft with 10,11 & 18 and recruit 2 players who in 5 years are as good as Bolton and Baker are now they'd call that a success.
 

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