1st Test Border Gavaskar Trophy November 22-26 1350hrs @ Perth Stadium

[kickazz]

On Marnus:

Yes he is out of sorts for a good while now, and his early Test career had a fair share of luck.

But at least he has gone and played some red ball cricket in England - do many players do that now? And I didn't follow closely, but did he play well?

 

[Gough]

Fact is imposing players are bigger guys.
Imposing players withdraw confidence from opposition players.
There's been very few skinny dominant Australian openers, or batsman at all.

Put it this way I would take the imposing bigger guy over the skinny guy, even if the bigger guy wasn't scoring quite as many runs.

Most of the batsmen ever have been little guys.

 

[kickazz]

Fact is imposing players are bigger guys.
Imposing players withdraw confidence from opposition players.
There's been very few skinny dominant Australian openers, or batsman at all.

Put it this way I would take the imposing bigger guy over the skinny guy, even if the bigger guy wasn't scoring quite as many runs. Simply because of the psych influence.

Yeah call be old fashioned but I'm a results kinda guy and like it when players make runs.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I explained my reason for that. You're asking for more trouble having a newbie at no.3.

150k+ km bowlers rarely try to bowl 150k every ball. Watched him last night, the bounce he gets at his pace is troubling. More interested in Jyhe's bowling than his throwing.

Anyway, this is the situation we find ourselves in as we let our players just get old in the side rather than develop players. Rather these others play now rather than be newbies for the Ashes.

He doesn’t bowl 150kmph he’s more like a 142 ish. Richardson is a talent but he’s still throwing underarm which is ridiculous very hard to hide players

McSweeney is a natural 3 anyway rather go that way. An AR is a luxury not a need Inglis at 6, the bowlers can do a job.

 

[Jimthegreat]

On Marnus:

Yes he is out of sorts for a good while now, and his early Test career had a fair share of luck.

But at least he has gone and played some red ball cricket in England - do many players do that now? And I didn't follow closely, but did he play well?

Drop him. He will come back. In the period of the 90s/2000s every batter was dropped and come back as stars. Marnus needs to be dropped now to get back his form.

 

[kickazz]

Most of the batsmen ever have been little guys.

Yeah.

Bradman
Tendulkar
Lara
Ponting
Gavaskar


that's just a start.

There are notable exceptions like Hayden, Gower.

But overall I think being small helps you move and react quicker.

 

[Jimthegreat]

He doesn’t bowl 150kmph he’s more like a 142 ish. Richardson is a talent but he’s still throwing underarm which is ridiculous very hard to hide players

McSweeney is a natural 3 anyway rather go that way. An AR is a luxury not a need Inglis at 6, the bowlers can do a job.

He does. 143 is his stock ball. Mitch Johnson generally bowled lower 140s as his stock bowl. Then bursts at high 140s, low 150s. Thought you would have known that.

 

[Foxx]

Most of the batsmen ever have been little guys.

Not skinny.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

He does. 143 is his stock ball. Mitch Johnson generally bowled lower 140s as his stock bowl. Then bursts at high 140s, low 150s. Thought you would have known that.

Highly overrating his speed he bowls fast spells so does Starc, he’s not going to be test standard anyway. Just play Buckingham who is a significantly better talent

 

[sherb]

Fact is imposing players are bigger guys.
Imposing players withdraw confidence from opposition players.
There's been very few skinny dominant Australian openers, or batsman at all.

Put it this way I would take the imposing bigger guy over the skinny guy, even if the bigger guy wasn't scoring quite as many runs. Simply because of the psych influence.

Bradman was, according to my brief research, 1.7m and 80kg. And he was pretty imposing........

 

[Foxx]

Yeah.

Bradman
Tendulkar
Lara
Ponting
Gavaskar


that's just a start.

There are notable exceptions like Hayden, Gower.

But overall I think being small helps you move and react quicker.

None of those guys are skinny small guys.

 

[sabso]

On Marnus:

Yes he is out of sorts for a good while now, and his early Test career had a fair share of luck.

But at least he has gone and played some red ball cricket in England - do many players do that now? And I didn't follow closely, but did he play well?

Australians mostly play county cricket and dominate, at least recently. A few Aus batsmen did have county stints, but South Africans and (surprisingly) English players were top of the Division 1 batting averages. The top nominally Australian plaer was Matt Renshaw as far as I could tell - 7 games for Somerset average 37 with no century and 3 50s.

Marnus did a good shift in div2, averaging 58 about the same as Beau Webster. However one Aus player beat them both out.

Bring back Peter Handscomb.

 

[Foxx]

Bradman was, according to my brief research, 1.7m and 80kg. And he was pretty imposing........

He wasn't small and skinny looking. We are a much more imposing side when we've got the Hayden, Warner type opening.

 

[PhatBoy]

Not skinny.

Chanderpaul
Younis
Laxman
Jayawardene

All either short or skinny or both.

You’re full of shit mate.

 

[sherb]

He wasn't small and skinny looking.

You said this -
"Fact is imposing players are bigger guys."

That's not true.

 

[Foxx]

Chanderpaul
Younis
Laxman
Jayawardene

All either short or skinny or both.

You’re full of shit mate.

Name a small skinny Australian opener in a dominant batting side.

 

[western royboy]

This performance shows the Aus public care about test cricket. Silver linings lol.

Doesn’t matter if what is happening is ignored by those in CA and unfortunately those of us who were once some part if the system have been pushed to the margins by the “new thinkers”.

Times have changed but we have dismantled the system that made cricket strong and what is in its place is clearly a failure

 

[sabso]

Name a small skinny Australian opener in a dominant batting side.

You'll deny he's small (or skinny) but Justin Langer.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Yeah call be old fashioned but I'm a results kinda guy and like it when players make runs.

David Boon, Justin Langer spring to mind. Michael Slater wasn't overly big, neither is Ricky Ponting.

The only one that I can think of recently that fits that bill would be Matthew Hayden.

I'll take lots of runs over being built like a brick outhouse thanks...

 

[greatwhiteshark]

As long as Jake Fraser-McGurk is getting $1.64m for an IPL season, we won't have enough young batsmen prioritising red ball cricket

Thats awesome for him but it comes at an expense that no one will know who he is or was at the end of his career. Only Test players are remembered or admired.

 

[Foxx]

You'll deny he's smakll (or skinny) but Justin Langer.

Too right he's not. He was a small nuggety imposing opener.

 

[Carn The Berries]

You said this -
"Fact is imposing players are bigger guys."

That's not true.

Surely you jest... Sachin Tendulkar and BC Lara were giants

 

[Redline]

Reckon the selectors use this as an excuse "there is no one performing in the shield atm so we can't make changes"

its a smokescreen excuse ...they should be doing there bloody job

I agree, they also know that eventually you get a flat wicket, poor opposition or an innings where the game in won and a player can make some runs.

 

[eltrain]

Barry Hall to open for Australia in the next test then?

 

[western royboy]

Barry Hall to open for Australia in the next test then?

Is the Honey Badger available?