1st Test Border Gavaskar Trophy November 22-26 1350hrs @ Perth Stadium

[LukeParkerno1]

On form Cummins is the bowler that would miss for Boland but obviously captain so he won't go out, don't think Starc bowled that bad but 5 tests I would be rotating them Boland in for Adelaide but it won't happen.

If Marsh fails again surely you consider dropping him , he has come off virtually no cricket at all of late. Play the extra seam bowler if you need to.

Somehow I doubt we are reducing our batsmen lol

 

[ABAB]

What happened in the other two tests…it should have been 4-0 leading into the last but we played abysmal cricket.

Should have won it 3-1 without that change of ball.

 

[kickazz]

And Kawaja not even taking the first ball with 25 mins to survive is a ****in embarrassment for him. Should be ashamed.

This is being overplayed IMO.

Maybe he wants to give the kid the honour/experience.

And at the end of the day there is every possibility you get a single off the first ball. If protecting the new kid is what you want to do, then put him in at 5 or 6.

 

[sherb]

I just looked up Jaiswal's career stats - this is his 31st first-class match, of which 15 have been Tests. So he has played just 16 first-class games outside of Test matches.

Australia used to be the nation that picked players based on that sort of thinking.......eg Lillee was picked after playing 20 f-c games (which was only a season and a half, plus a "b" tour to NZ), Thommo just 6, McCosker 11, Cosier 16, Warne 7, etc.........

 

[Bucking Beads]

It feels like Australia just haven't prepared for life after the stars of the 2010s, the Smiths, Khawajas, Warners etc. Which is why it feels our top order just ain't great anymore.

I know Bancroft's current form isn't great but it feels like he's been passed over way too much, he'd probably be doing better than some of our top order right now.

I would have thought Bancroft's technical difficult would be even more found out by a guy like Bumrah TBH.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Should have won it 3-1 without that change of ball.

It shouldn't have even come down to a ball, this was a terrible English side.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I just looked up Jaiswal's career stats - this is his 31st first-class match, of which 15 have been Tests. So he has played just 16 first-class games outside of Test matches.

Australia used to be the nation that picked players based on that sort of thinking.......eg Lillee was picked after playing 20 f-c games (which was only a season and a half, plus a "b" tour to NZ), Thommo just 6, McCosker 11, Cosier 16, Warne 7, etc.........

Go through our young talent coming through and pick a few blokes with 10-20 first class matches that have decent records. Would be very slim pickings particularly with the bat.

 

[sherb]

On form Cummins is the bowler that would miss for Boland but obviously captain so he won't go out, don't think Starc bowled that bad but 5 tests I would be rotating them Boland in for Adelaide but it won't happen.

If Marsh fails again surely you consider dropping him , he has come off virtually no cricket at all of late. Play the extra seam bowler if you need to.

That seems to be part of the current problem to me, the next fast bowler in line (if we replace one of the current three) is 35 years old...........

 

[BGman]

I just looked up Jaiswal's career stats - this is his 31st first-class match, of which 15 have been Tests. So he has played just 16 first-class games outside of Test matches.

Australia used to be the nation that picked players based on that sort of thinking.......eg Lillee was picked after playing 20 f-c games (which was only a season and a half, plus a "b" tour to NZ), Thommo just 6, McCosker 11, Cosier 16, Warne 7, etc.........

Konstas after only 6 FC came close before CA had a second think. How bout blooding him on the short Sri Lanka tour. Reckon he could cope mentally debuting there plus his spin play is sufficiently competent. Why mess bout with him as he is the best prospect we have had since the emergence of Will Pucovski.

 

[ABAB]

It shouldn't have even come down to a ball, this was a terrible English side.

We looked comfortable chasing that score until the ball was changed. They might be a terrible England side but they've always been able to swing the ball under certain condition with a brand new ball and cloudy condition.

 

[sherb]

Go through our young talent coming through and pick a few blokes with 10-20 first class matches that have decent records. Would be very slim pickings particularly with the bat.

True. I was just highlighting how times have changed.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We looked comfortable chasing that score until the ball was changed. They might be a terrible England side but they've always been able to swing the ball under certain condition with a brand new ball and cloudy condition.

It showed the fragility of our batting especially, and why this is an okay to good side rather than anything more that's the whole point. It's no more than a good Australian side. Least if they get smoked we can not hear how great they are for a while, never know they might actually play more Shield cricket rather than resting for every reason known to man

 

[Foxx]

If Warner didn't score a double century at MCG he would have been cooked then and there. That double Tonn spared him a year or so and got him a ticket to ashes where he was shocking.

he was cooked.

It didn't make any difference how many runs he scored, or how on field imposing he was to opposition teams. Most people wanted him out for most of his career simply because they didn't like him.
Now they get their wish, and can watch a 70kg soaking wet opener give the opposition bowlers an extra pep in their step.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

That seems to be part of the current problem to me, the next fast bowler in line (if we replace one of the current three) is 35 years old...........

Less concerned about the bowling Buckingham looks a talent, the Victorian swing bowler could be very good in England, and you have a couple out of the U19 that look high quality. More concerned on the batting, adding more 30 plus year olds isn't the answer, and furthermore taking 30 plus year olds as reserve bats overseas makes it worse. It's time to give these new guys a go, we won't know till we do.

Henry Hunt is one to keep an eye on, started the season really well this year after the second year syndrome year last year. Could he be the option? Well lets see there but one to keep an eye on

 

[The hands of stone]

Lol some fool on SEN demanding that Trevor Hohns gets sacked immediately.

Stock standard

 

[Gavin Excell]

I just looked up Jaiswal's career stats - this is his 31st first-class match, of which 15 have been Tests. So he has played just 16 first-class games outside of Test matches.

Australia used to be the nation that picked players based on that sort of thinking.......eg Lillee was picked after playing 20 f-c games (which was only a season and a half, plus a "b" tour to NZ), Thommo just 6, McCosker 11, Cosier 16, Warne 7, etc.........

Steve Waugh too was identified and backed in by selectors as a young bloke and had a pretty poor start to his test career

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It didn't make any difference how many runs he scored, or how on field imposing he was to opposition teams. Most people wanted him out most of his career, simply because they didn't like him.
Now they get their wish, and can watch a 70kg soaking wet opener give the opposition bowlers an extra pep in their step.

He did though waste everyone's time last summer. What did it actually achieve him playing last summer? If McSweeney was an option he should have played last summer against a weaker side

 

[ABAB]

It showed the fragility of our batting especially, and why this is an okay to good side rather than anything more that's the whole point. It's no more than a good Australian side. Least if they get smoked we can not hear how great they are for a while, never know they might actually play more Shield cricket rather than resting for every reason known to man

Playing swing is always difficult for any side and England always had bowlers to do this under ideal condition. Who said this Australian side was great even when we had the best 2 batsmen in the world and Warner ranked in the top 5, best fast bowling attack in the world and best spinner?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Steve Waugh too was identified and backed in by selectors as a young bloke and had a pretty poor start to his test career

Pat Cummins was too, basically picked off a final for NSW thrown into that tour of SA then had all those issues with his back

 

[Nicho50]

Somehow I doubt we are reducing our batsmen lol

You have to take 20 wickets, if our batsman had form you shouldn't be relying on Marsh at 6 as a lock. India do it well all the time essentially playing 5 bats and having Jadeja or Ashwin , an all rounder and the pace attack.

This is where Greens bowling was handy but in a 5 test series sometimes you need help.

India have just demolished us with a makeshift opener in KL who was going to be batting at 6 at best, a number 3 and 6 that looked all at sea.

Watching Marnus and Marsh throw down some of the slowest pies at International level ever seen only highlights the need for us to have a 4th seam option even more.

 

[Foxx]

He did though waste everyone's time last summer. What did it actually achieve him playing last summer? If McSweeney was an option he should have played last summer against a weaker side

Yes he was done, but that's not the point I'm making.
He was a flog, but an imposing one. He was a big reason we won games - psych.

 

[Marstermind]

In a pink ball Test in Adelaide, none of Hazlewood, Starc and Cummins will miss.

Calls for Hazlewood's head are moronic. He's currently the only player in the XI who had truly hold his head up. 5/57 of 34 overs is outstanding match figures given the pasting we've been handed. And he batted OK too.
Cummins has had a shocker although I respect him walking towards the fire as nightwatchman. They aren't dropping the captain.
Starc was very Starc. Looks awesome on Friday morning, awful on Sunday afternoon. His pink ball record is excellent so he'll be backed in.

After that though, the last four Tests are over in 5 weeks and we should see some rotations. Especially if the Indians keep Australia out in the field like they did yesterday.

The only change that should happen is Labuschagne out for Inglis. Marnus batted (and bowled) like even he can't trust his game anymore. He's almost better off dropped.

 

[Retzlaff]

As long as Jake Fraser-McGurk is getting $1.64m for an IPL season, we won't have enough young batsmen prioritising red ball cricket

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Playing swing is always difficult for any side and England always had bowlers to do this under ideal condition. Who said this Australian side was great even when we had the best 2 batsmen in the world and Warner ranked in the top 5, best fast bowling attack in the world and best spinner?

It's only a fair side that's all it's been, we have one A+ grade bowler in Cummins, one A grader in Haze, neither are near Bumrah but they are good fast bowlers. Batting has been a problem for a decade and until we get more that are test specialists it will continue. If iI hear about strike rates and what not I'll puke, give me 5 bats plus Head, Head being the aggressive one. The other 5 are normal test bats that know how to bat time. We have zero of them, what I'd give to have a Pujara type in this batting side

 

[PhatBoy]

It didn't make any difference how many runs he scored, or how on field imposing he was to opposition teams. Most people wanted him out most of his career, simply because they didn't like him.
Now they get their wish, and can watch a 70kg soaking wet opener give the opposition bowlers an extra pep in their step.

Not really sure what your last sentence is supposed to mean, after a 65kg soaking wet opener just lathered 1500 wickets worth of bowlers around Optus stadium for his fourth consecutive century of 150+ to start his career as a test opener.