1st Test Border Gavaskar Trophy November 22-26 1350hrs @ Perth Stadium

[Gough]

I am probably dipping my oar into a discussion, where I haven't followed all the nuances as closely as I should, so I apologise for any lack of context in my multi quotes.


I loved fielding too. I was a developing leg spinner in the late 70s. Made it to the firsts in mid high school.

But I gave playing cricket away.

Took a 5fer one game. Next game, bowled a single maiden over, and was taken off.

The rest of the season, I would literally sit and watch the "clique" first bat, and then bowl themselves for the whole game.

Got utterly sick of doing nothing except fielding for entire games. Game after game.

Played squash the next summer and never went back.

I probably would have appreciated some kind of quota.

I was a pre Warne leggie too, coaches didn't know what to do with you and captains couldn't set fields.

 

[Lunchtime]

I was a pre Warne leggie too, coaches didn't know what to do with you and captains couldn't set fields.

This is something Warnie used to talk about a lot for junior cricketers bowling wrist spin - a lot of coaches and captains don't know how to....what's the word......"handle" wrist spinners in training and in games. Wrist spinners need to be encouraged and backed in.

 

[Bletch]

I was a pre Warne leggie too, coaches didn't know what to do with you and captains couldn't set fields.

Had one captain in junior cricket who castigated me "stop spinning it so much!" He justified it by saying it wasn't getting edges, but he was also the wicket keeper...

Also, typical situation to bring in the spinner was at 1-120 when seven other kids bowling seam up had already bowled.

 

[4Seasons]

Sorry for backing in our lads who I think could the job

if you have an issue with that thats your problem

"Our lads" lmfao.
We are Australian, why can't WA freaks get that.
If we put the players you mention in the squad, you'd go on a WA freaks rampage that they should be back in the State team if not in the first XI.

 

[Westend]

"Our lads" lmfao.
We are Australian, why can't WA freaks get that.
If we put the players you mention in the squad, you'd go on a WA freaks rampage that they should be back in the State team if not in the first XI.

Umm no

Happy for boland as he has been backup for ages

I stated jhye and Morris are back playing for wa

And that Paris is a legitimate option especially over abbot with the pink ball

Not hard

 

[Andronicus]

We are Australian, why can't WA freaks get that.

Really showing some of that unified spirit here.

 

[kenneje]

Are Richardson and Morris underdone? Had assumed if they were back bowling they'd be next in line with Boland.

 

[jannissary]

Here’s the thing.

It’s already a sport that unlike every other sport there is, even if you are getting a go, your day can be over in a heartbeat.

Play AFL? You could be the worst player out there, but as long as you aren’t on the bench the entire game, and you won’t be, really, because no coach is going to do that, you will be in the game. Whether you are chasing the ball, trying to lay a tackle, trying to take a mark, whatever. You’re in the game.

The other codes are the same in whatever capacity. Tennis and golf etc are individual sports and no matter how bad a kid is at them, they get to play them to the maximum capacity.

You get a kid that plays cricket and tell him on a Saturday at club level that he has to pay full fees and train (or his parents do with the fees part) and spend 3 hours fielding which literally no one likes, and then won’t get a go because he’s not deemed worthy and the kids above him are all going to get to bat for as long as they want, you see how many of them bother sticking around. Soon enough you won’t have a comp.

On the other hand if you start telling them ‘mate, we are going to give you a job, you can open the batting or bat 3’ they might get out after a few balls anyway, and barely even disrupt the good kids. Hardly get in their way. But they get a taste of responsibility and they get some motivation to improve. The kids who retire can usually come back out to bat anyway.

And then as we’ve all mentioned those kids that are good enough who have a genuine appetite for it, go to the next level and play rep cricket where they can bat to their heart’s content for 40-50 overs if they’re good enough.

bang on the head. it's hard to balance. when i played juniors (much more recently than a lot of you i'd wager) we'd bat for 6~ overs before "retiring" if we didn't go out. once everyone had a go it was first come first serve, up until u14/u15s when i'd moved and it was just batting until you got out. junior levels should prioritise fostering a genuine love of cricket, even for the players deemed bad. i kept playing until i pulled a back muscle a few years back trying to slog sweep someone bowling pies. i genuinely loved (and still do) playing cricket, no matter the weather, no matter the conditions of the ground, no matter my own performance. i'd grown up watching my step dad play in the 3rd division with his mates, dominating and having a laugh, not taking it too seriously but genuinely creating a positive environment to play in.

a stark contrast was my football "career". i was "decent" at football when i played in the backline, but from ages 15-18 i was only played as a forward pocket (except for a single game where i played exceptionally well) and otherwise just languished on the bench for 2.5 quarters a game. i stopped playing because i just couldn't give a shit about what happened the moment i rocked up on the field, it was a social event, sure, but sitting on the bench on a cold winters day for almost 1 and a half hours kills any reasonable enjoyment you can take out of it as a junior.

 

[Cleavy]

Are Richardson and Morris underdone? Had assumed if they were back bowling they'd be next in line with Boland.

they played 1 Shield game and were both apparently on bowling restrictions

 

[Rich]

‘We were told he had to play’: State selector says Blues were forced to pick Adam Zampa

The decision to parachute Adam Zampa in for a Sheffield Shield match has caused a major stir, with fingers being pointed at Cricket Australia.

www.smh.com.au

Reading this makes you wonder what else goes on behind closed doors..

 

[onthehill24]

‘We were told he had to play’: State selector says Blues were forced to pick Adam Zampa

The decision to parachute Adam Zampa in for a Sheffield Shield match has caused a major stir, with fingers being pointed at Cricket Australia.

www.smh.com.au

Reading this makes you wonder what else goes on behind closed doors..

Zampa not good enough for tests

 

[King Elvis]

‘We were told he had to play’: State selector says Blues were forced to pick Adam Zampa

The decision to parachute Adam Zampa in for a Sheffield Shield match has caused a major stir, with fingers being pointed at Cricket Australia.

www.smh.com.au

Reading this makes you wonder what else goes on behind closed doors..

The Aus setup is suddenly seeming extremely cliquey.

 

[Gough]

I can see a three day Test coming up. It's warm and muggy with more of the same forecast and the pitch will be sweating under the covers which combined with batting under lights against a pink ball doesn't make a long Test likely in my eyes.

 

[jannissary]

The Aus setup is suddenly seeming extremely cliquey.

has been for a long time.

 

[sabso]

has been for a long time.

goes back to Bradman v Fingleton and probably further back too.

 

[Westend]

I can see a three day Test coming up. It's warm and muggy with more of the same forecast and the pitch will be sweating under the covers which combined with batting under lights against a pink ball doesn't make a long Test likely in my eyes.

Well with our batting line up 3 days looks most likely goughie

 

[JackOutback]

I can see a three day Test coming up. It's warm and muggy with more of the same forecast and the pitch will be sweating under the covers which combined with batting under lights against a pink ball doesn't make a long Test likely in my eyes.

Winning the toss becomes even more vital.

 

[King Elvis]

has been for a long time.

I know, but I thought that was meant to change under the Cummins approach.

Seems like the opposite - more than ever, if you're IN or AROUND the group, you're in contention for selection.

If you're not part of the setup, you'll barely get a look in.

 

[Trojan90]

I know, but I thought that was meant to change under the Cummins approach.

Seems like the opposite - more than ever, if you're IN or AROUND the group, you're in contention for selection.

If you're not part of the setup, you'll barely get a look in.

Can’t see it ever changing. It’s deeply ingrained.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Winning the toss becomes even more vital.

Haven’t we sucked at tosses lately

 

[The hands of stone]

goes back to Bradman v Fingleton and probably further back too.

Yep , Spofforth v Blackham

 

[Nuggetz]

I can see a three day Test coming up. It's warm and muggy with more of the same forecast and the pitch will be sweating under the covers which combined with batting under lights against a pink ball doesn't make a long Test likely in my eyes.

37c for thursday & 35c with storms on friday. Then drops down to 25c for the rest of the test. I wonder how long theyll cover it knowing the conditions. Tricky.

 

[jannissary]

I know, but I thought that was meant to change under the Cummins approach.

Seems like the opposite - more than ever, if you're IN or AROUND the group, you're in contention for selection.

If you're not part of the setup, you'll barely get a look in.

i’d have liked to think so, but the selectors have their favourites. think about how long warner played with his shockingly consistently poor performances. george bailey cant make the tough calls

 

[Iceman!]

i’d have liked to think so, but the selectors have their favourites. think about how long warner played with his shockingly consistently poor performances. george bailey cant make the tough calls

He would have only been replaced by Bancroft, Harris or Renshaw who would have all been equally as bad. Dropping Warner is not a tough call if someone good was waiting in the wings, it is a tough call because you either back in one of our best test batsmen in modern history or 3 players who are most likely not test standard batsmen.

 

[jannissary]

He would have only been replaced by Bancroft, Harris or Renshaw who would have all been equally as bad. Dropping Warner is not a tough call if someone good was waiting in the wings, it is a tough call because you either back in one of our best test batsmen in modern history or 3 players who are most likely not test standard batsmen.

ultimately it showed that he was more interested in playing favourites as opposed to making the best decision for a team. should you realistically let someone who's consistently not performing in an important role keep their spot in the side, or should you take the chance with someone who may be decent enough to have a go.

just my 2 cents, obviously.