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Yes, assuming there will not be rookie elevations and keeping a spare for the PSD.
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2012 Trade Discussion
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chopperduck
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3 draft picks plus McKeever upgraded leaves 1 spot left.
For certain. Nutty Neeld has put them back a couple of years in my view. Has delisted a couple of very early picks out of a lack of patience. It will bite him on the arse when they mature and play good football at other clubs.
A PSD selection or an upgrade of Crisp maybe, depending what happens with Tippett or if their is a smokie they like the look of.
Why do people want to keep a spot open for PSD? Unless there is a delistee we like through there - otherwise, it is those who didn't get called at the ND. Why on Earth would be budget for PSD?
We had 6 spots, we've recruited 2, from here, Huddo is most likely retiring, so call it 5 spots left. We have 3 live picks (ignoring those in the 5th round onwards) in the ND, and then another 2, either for rookie elevations (I don't think it should be McKeever - hasn't shown enough to warrant a spot on the senior list), PSD or Delisted Free Agents.
I would not be surprised to see us go after a delisted free agent, just because this seems to be the year everyone is cutting people, so if Kerr believes one delistee wasn't developed to their potential and is young enough, he could certainly go for him.
We had 6 spots, we've recruited 2, from here, Huddo is most likely retiring, so call it 5 spots left. We have 3 live picks (ignoring those in the 5th round onwards) in the ND, and then another 2, either for rookie elevations (I don't think it should be McKeever - hasn't shown enough to warrant a spot on the senior list), PSD or Delisted Free Agents.
I would not be surprised to see us go after a delisted free agent, just because this seems to be the year everyone is cutting people, so if Kerr believes one delistee wasn't developed to their potential and is young enough, he could certainly go for him.
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We got Rockliff from the PSD.
We did. And I'm not saying you can't find talent in the PSD - every year there is talent that slips through the draft, and some get picked up PSD, and some get picked up RD, and some don't get picked up at all... All I'm saying is, if you're budgeting on taking a pick in the PSD - you may as well take your 4th pick in the 90s (or whenever our 5th round pick is) - unless we're looking at a delistee who nominates for PSD, picking them up in R5 of the ND is a few picks earlier overall - less chance of them getting taken... You just don't budget for the PSD this far out.
Unless we're keeping our options open with regards to Tippett- if he nominates for the PSD we at least are in the running (unless he puts too high a price on his head). If GWS/GS/Bulldogs snaffle him before us we would probably just use the pick on a likely rookie draft pick.
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Im still holding out hope we get Retz back on the roundabout for a bit. However, that dream is fading...
If we are going to go a delisted free agent, Vossy has to be thinking Matthew Bate
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Really? IMO, even with a big boost in his formline, Bate doesn't fill a need for us at all.
2 former Dees in a year is enough.
Sorry would have been better if I knew how to cut and paste images. The Hair, the hair.
Still wouldn't mind Lucas Cook as a delisted FA. Think he'd make a better defender better than a forward though, good reader of the ball, from what I've seen of him anyway.
Bate, Bennell, Cook, Petterd... C'mon!!! They are all garbage.
Enough of raiding Melbourne please. I agree they can't develop players but none of the above would be of any use to us at all. Cook can hardly get a game for Casey and weighs above 45 kg, Bate is the definition of a list clogger, Bennell has shown nothing, and if Petterd wasn't a Qlder he wouldn't get a mention. Butchers the ball like no one else.
Gee that super batch of '06 Queensland draftees have had a mixed run.
Enough of raiding Melbourne please. I agree they can't develop players but none of the above would be of any use to us at all. Cook can hardly get a game for Casey and weighs above 45 kg, Bate is the definition of a list clogger, Bennell has shown nothing, and if Petterd wasn't a Qlder he wouldn't get a mention. Butchers the ball like no one else.
Gee that super batch of '06 Queensland draftees have had a mixed run.
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The only good thing about Bates is his surname and we get to give him the personal title 'Master".....and thus the nick name 'w***er'!
mINORITY
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I'm happy with our trades - they may be superstar recruits, but I think both Moloney and Martin will fill needs for us. And we still have our first three draft picks intact - win win.
Last year we had a trade week that started out on day one with the expected trades, and finished with a rush and a big story.
This year the trade period lasted so much longer, and it started with the expected trades and finished with a rush and a big story.
Last year we had a trade week that started out on day one with the expected trades, and finished with a rush and a big story.
This year the trade period lasted so much longer, and it started with the expected trades and finished with a rush and a big story.
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They guy has played a total of 57 games in 5 seasons and you want him to have an action packed highlight package for you...come on you can't be serious..Martin has kicked 23 goals playing as a ruckman for Melbourne our own Matthew Leunberger has only kicked 11 and has played 69 games.. In 2012 again playing as a ruckman when he replaced Jaimar he played 7 games and kicked 7 goals...He averages more disposals and Marks than Leunberger aswell. He will be in the best 22 once he cements his spot which will be ruck/forward role he will surprise a lot of people!! Let's not forget that he is a former basketball player so it might take him a few more games to hone his skills but that didn't stop him finishing 8th in Melbourne's Best and fairest in 2011. Plenty of upside I say!!
Harry Haller
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I would say the difference, keeping in mind that I am no expert, is as follows. In the ND there is a great deal of focus put into getting the early picks right. We are picking two of them in the mid 20's -30's. The shear amount of work that would go into heaps of players that we don't pick up because someone got them first can not be disregarded. nearly all clubs would be in a similar situation and therefore the picks towards the end would get more speculative.
Saving a pick for the PSD allows you to go back and focus solely on what is left and put a hell of a lot more work into those prospects. You may loose out on the last 20 kids of the ND, however of all the ones that are left you get to focus on what you really want.
chopperduck
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McKeever needs to be elevated or cut, he can't stay on the rookie list IIRC. That's why people are saying he will be upgraded. From there, we might not even use that 1 pick in the PSD, if there isn't anyone we like we might just pass altogether and keep that spot free and save some money.
We might go for another FA, but I think we will keep 1 pick in the PSD for Tippett, just in case.
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I tend to agree with STD about Martin. If we're really honest, he's not a very inspiring pickup. I see him first and foremost as a backup to Leuenberger. He'll get a chance to push himself into that forward/ruck role that Lisle is uneasily occupying at the moment, but he's not someone who's likely to make a huge difference to the team. We've given two picks below the lowest pick we used last year, so it's hard to argue that we've traded away anything of value.
If it's true that McKeever is contracted for another year, then I guess we'll see him elevated at the ND. I'm probably one of the few people on this board that wouldn't mind if we cut him. I get that he's relatively new to the game, but his positioning and confidence are big impediments for him and personally I haven't seen a lot of improvement in those areas over the past couple of years, or at least enough improvement to make me think he'll ever be able to become a really good one-on-one defender.
If it's true that McKeever is contracted for another year, then I guess we'll see him elevated at the ND. I'm probably one of the few people on this board that wouldn't mind if we cut him. I get that he's relatively new to the game, but his positioning and confidence are big impediments for him and personally I haven't seen a lot of improvement in those areas over the past couple of years, or at least enough improvement to make me think he'll ever be able to become a really good one-on-one defender.
Didn't say I wanted I action packed highlights package (would've hoped he had at least as good a highlights package as the average draftee, but oh well). Didn't say I wanted more goals. Didn't question avg disposals or anything. He's an average ruckman, I can take that - we didn't pay much, no real loss. If you read what I wrote, you'd see my complaint wasn't any of the above, but that he is a crap user of the ball. I also provided a balanced opinion in the first paragraph, specifically pointing out that his age, versatility and marking ability were assets for us. However, I see him as below Longer, Leuey, and cutting into Lisle's time (who i view as a similar quality player, but with a LOT more development to come than Stefan).
I thought under the Irish recruit rules we could keep him there for a while extra? Maybe - as with most, I'm no expert on list rules. Regardless, I'm not budgeting it simply because I don't know that he's earned a senior list spot. Wouldn't be dismayed to see him go. That said, the Irish do take some development, and I thought we should cut Hanley up til about 2 years ago (still not as sold as many, but agree that he's best 22 now).
May well keep a PSD pick for Tippett, but I wouldn't count on them budgeting it at this stage. I would give us <10% chance of getting Tippo.
Also agree with Harry Haller (though not quoting it just to save space) about PSD allowing us to re-examine our views before continuing with speculative picks... You would think though that most clubs would have a pretty organised system when they reach the draft. As an absolute basic, if it were me, I would have every player I'd be willing to draft columned by position/role, ranked by preference. As the draft continues, a little highlighting on what you've got, and crossing out what gets taken, and it'd be pretty easy to see whether there was any exceptional value left, or what roles you have vs what you need. I reckon I could design a pretty workable system if I had the scouts, and I'm a geek in front of a PC. These guys are professionals who are prepping for this all year. Still agree that there is value in the PSD from a preparation point of view, but I'd assume they'd be 90% sure when they pass on a pick who their next preference would be.
As for our lovely delisted free agent conversation, my favoured option at the moment would be Gillies. Good age/position for us. Perhaps not good enough on the monster forwards, but he's young, and if not, he'd be a good support taking the 2nd behind whoever we get to replace Merrett in a few years. That said, I haven't seen Lucas Cook, but a KPP recently drafted at 12 - if our recruiters think he's any chance for developing away from the Demons, I'd be happy to see us get him. Haven't seen enough to have an informed opinion on him though.
Grimreepah
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I was figuring Tippett might nominate for the PSD.
But maybe the PSD is now redundant. With delisted players becoming automatic free agents, it would seem that there is no need for a PSD.
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