2012 Trade Discussion

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Dan12 said:
Gee, there are a lot of players who have been delisted at one club and succeeded at another. Think of Raines, Patfull, Maguire, Rodan, Kennedy (Swans), Brad Ebert, Danny Stanley, Giles, Leigh Brown and probably a heap more. Those clubs would have considered it long and hard also.

All were given longer than two years to prove their worth, Cook has been given two. He could be something and a lot of people claimed at the time he would be a project player who'd take 3-5 years to develop.
And no one should overestimate Melbourne and its outstanding development program. With their draft picks and talent they should be in the 8, yet can't develop guys with talent like Martin, Petterd, Cook, Blease, Watts and Gysberts.
He fits a need, has potential (#12 pick) and should be at least inquired about.
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And there are many many others who don't. I don't think there is an argument in naming a handful of players that delisted and then go on to become successful unless you consider equally those that don't. The hit rate proves this to be an unlikely success. We have just clean out our list and don't need to be adding players that can't get games for a team that has languished at the bottom of the ladder for so long and shows little likelihood of improvement. It's not as Cook has been competing for a senior berth with the likes of Franklin and Roughead like Lisle was at Hawthorne.
 
Kerry OT said:
And there are many many others who don't. I don't think there is an argument in naming a handful of players that delisted and then go on to become successful unless you consider equally those that don't. The hit rate proves this to be an unlikely success. We have just clean out our list and don't need to be adding players that can't get games for a team that has languished at the bottom of the ladder for so long and shows little likelihood of improvement. It's not as Cook has been competing for a senior berth with the likes of Franklin and Roughead like Lisle was at Hawthorne.
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A little bit harsh there I think. Weather not we have any interest, a KPF who has only played 2 seasons to have not had any game time isn't that surprising, regardless of how good a team has been going. It's also important to note that some good players have been delisted or moved on by Neald, so there's no reason why Cook could have a viable career somewhere else.

I think if you want to look at statistics, look at the number of No.12 picks that have been delisted after 2 seasons and never played again.
 

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jackess said:
Sam Lonergan delisted. If we want a mature, inside mid I'd have a look at him.
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Yes and considering it was an area we fell down badly in last year, he fits the age requirements and is insurance for either Black or Moloney. Maybe be not as good mind you, or maybe better; for who knows what the Weapon did to that poor lad. *shudders* Let's give the birdman a chance to fix him up. :thumbsu:
 
spotthedog1 said:
We can't without delisting another player... and that's not likely... so no. If we were interested, you'd think we would've left Crisp on the rookie list for another year.
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Um, I think we could without delisting a player. I think that a rookie-promotion counts as a draft-pick, so with both McKeever and Crisp elevated, we are only obliged to take one pick in the ND.

Unlikely though, but we could still have a space left if something comes up . . .
 
Ray Button said:
Um, I think we could without delisting a player. I think that a rookie-promotion counts as a draft-pick, so with both McKeever and Crisp elevated, we are only obliged to take one pick in the ND.

Unlikely though, but we could still have a space left if something comes up . . .
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Actually, I think you may be right. My bad. I remember something about them counting as live picks.

Still, without scapping pick 33, which we were eager to keep in the Stefan swap, we can't take an extra.
 

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TheBrownDog said:
Why don't we have a Rob Kerr trade week summary yet :(
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Apologies for the delay - it should be posted over the weekend.

Rob has been in Brisbane for most of this week finalising the list lodgement process.

Plus, even though we only completed two deals, I suspect there will be something in there about Kurt Tippett as well...
 
Lions_Insider said:
Plus, even though we only completed two deals, I suspect there will be something in there about Kurt Tippett as well...
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I'll stock up on popcorn! Stocks have run low.
 
spotthedog1 said:
Actually, I think you may be right. My bad. I remember something about them counting as live picks.

Still, without scapping pick 33, which we were eager to keep in the Stefan swap, we can't take an extra.
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Speaking of rookies, could we rookie him just in case? It would be a 'mature inside mid insurance' if Blacky or Moloney got seriously injured. Just last years lack of clearances still haunts me, some quarters we got hardly any.
 
KeSter said:
Speaking of rookies, could we rookie him just in case? It would be a 'mature inside mid insurance' if Blacky or Moloney got seriously injured. Just last years lack of clearances still haunts me, some quarters we got hardly any.
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I missed something here. Who are we rookieing? We were talking about how we only had 3 spots left and weren't likely to get any additional Delisted Free Agents.

If you're talking about a delisted free agent, I'd assume that we could rookie them IF they made it through the DFA period without being picked up, nominated for drafts, didn't get picked up, and then nominated for rookie drafts. However I'm pretty sure you can't be over 23 and be on a rookie list, so they'd have to be someone like Cook or Gillies.
 
spotthedog1 said:
I missed something here. Who are we rookieing? We were talking about how we only had 3 spots left and weren't likely to get any additional Delisted Free Agents.

If you're talking about a delisted free agent, I'd assume that we could rookie them IF they made it through the DFA period without being picked up, nominated for drafts, didn't get picked up, and then nominated for rookie drafts. However I'm pretty sure you can't be over 23 and be on a rookie list, so they'd have to be someone like Cook or Gillies.
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Ok thanks, I never really understood how that works.
 
Grimreepah said:
What role would Petterd play?

Let's say this is our best team:

B: Adcock, Merrett, Docherty
HB: Golby, Patfull, Maguire
C: Redden, Moloney, Hanley
HF: Rockliff, Brown, Zorko
F: McGrath, Lisle/Martin, Bewick
R: Leuenberger, Black, Rich
I: Beams, Raines, Green
S: Lester

Which players would he be putting pressure on for a spot in the seniors?
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Yes I would have thought Harwood would be our HBF depth guy, though I would have him in front of Docherty ATM.
That lad will end up a solid unit if he keeps growing, just like my fave no.2, CJ.
 

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