2012 Trade Discussion

[Tassie4ever]

Bloody hell, are there 2 Grims?

For mine, Retzlaff had improved considerably in his last few reserves,games, especially with his kicking.

There's no doubt in my tiny mind he'd have gotten an upgrade last season.

Anyway, where was all this negativity when we were carrying eg Banfield and Polkinghorne for large parts of last season.

IMHO, elite running CHF's aren't exactly hanging from the trees looking at some if the far out draft suggestions around here.

 

[whatboutbob]

Retzy's field kicking looked fine to me. More experienced eyes than mine reckoned he just had an epic case of the yips, which he seemed to be working his way through in his last couple of games.

Usually when Lions are delisted I switch off pretty quickly, but Retzy's an exception and I genuinely hope he gets another shot. I don't think he'll ever be a superstar but assuming a full recovery from his knee, I think he has the tools to make it.

 

[irel]

Bloody hell, are there 2 Grims?

For mine, Retzlaff had improved considerably in his last few reserves,games, especially with his kicking.

There's no doubt in my tiny mind he'd have gotten an upgrade last season.

Anyway, where was all this negativity when we were carrying eg Banfield and Polkinghorne for large parts of last season.

IMHO, elite running CHF's aren't exactly hanging from the trees looking at some if the far out draft suggestions around here.

In that case he should not have any trouble finding himself on another AFL club list.
Being the elite running CHF that he is.

 

[Grimreepah]

Bloody hell, are there 2 Grims?

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I think my views have been fairly consistent.

 

[weevil]

You were the one mocking me about my opinion. I laughed it off, but this is a bit of an ordinary comment.

???

You were mocking people who disagreed with you. I provided some rebuttal in-kind. Here is some more.

 

[POBT]

I think Retzlaff could be something reasonable. I've said before that I like his physical attributes and he has a good attitude. He's also done little things at senior level, particularly with his running, to make me think that he might make it.

But the knee is a potential game changer. I don't think he has shown so much that we simply have to retain him in some capacity whilst he recovers from his reco. This isn't backing a highly regarded youngster or someone who has shown a heap of potential. IMO, we're discussing someone who has elements of being a good footballer without showing yet that he is going to be the whole package. He was a punt when drafted and he's shown enough to warrant that punt but he's a long way from being a sure thing.

He'll presumably come back to footy mid season next year. If we put him on the rookie list, we'd probably be giving him 10 games to show that he was worth persevering beyond that. Given the propensity for footballers to take a while to regain their best form following a knee reco, there is some prospect that, fast forward 12 months, and we'll be having exactly the same discussion.

On the flip side, what do we lose by keeping him on the rookie list? The opportunity cost is effectively getting someone who is no more or less a chance at being a success than Retzlaff. But while Retzlaff was a more known quantity, the knee makes it less so.

To be honest, I am pretty ambivalent about this decision and reckon it is 50/50. If I had to make the call, I'd retain him because (a) he is a tall and therefore should be afforded a longer development time and (b) it is a decision that would resonate well with the playing group.

 

[Tassie4ever]

I think Retzlaff could be something reasonable. I've said before that I like his physical attributes and he has a good attitude. He's also done little things at senior level, particularly with his running, to make me think that he might make it.

But the knee is a potential game changer. I don't think he has shown so much that we simply have to retain him in some capacity whilst he recovers from his reco. This isn't backing a highly regarded youngster or someone who has shown a heap of potential. IMO, we're discussing someone who has elements of being a good footballer without showing yet that he is going to be the whole package. He was a punt when drafted and he's shown enough to warrant that punt but he's a long way from being a sure thing.

He'll presumably come back to footy mid season next year. If we put him on the rookie list, we'd probably be giving him 10 games to show that he was worth persevering beyond that. Given the propensity for footballers to take a while to regain their best form following a knee reco, there is some prospect that, fast forward 12 months, and we'll be having exactly the same discussion.

On the flip side, what do we lose by keeping him on the rookie list? The opportunity cost is effectively getting someone who is no more or less a chance at being a success than Retzlaff. But while Retzlaff was a more known quantity, the knee makes it less so.

To be honest, I am pretty ambivalent about this decision and reckon it is 50/50. If I had to make the call, I'd retain him because (a) he is a tall and therefore should be afforded a longer development time and (b) it is a decision that would resonate well with the playing group.

What the hell is a well-argued POV doing around here????

For what very little it's worth, I agree with you 100%.

 

[Nick Lions]

I was upset about Retzlaff being cut. I also felt the knee injury was the final nail in the coffin, unfortunately. It was definitely bad luck for Retzy. However, the Brisbane Lions Football Club is a business, in a cutthroat market to boot. List spots come are at a premium and unfortunately we probably weren't able to carry a guy, who in my opinion, may not get back to the form he was beginning to show towards the end of this year, for close to two seasons. The injury is highly likely to hamper his development. If Retz wants a career playing AFL footy enough, he will return to state league level and work his guts out to get another shot in a few years time. I believe he has the talent, and may well forge an AFL career, but it will be dependent on hard work and determination and may very well be with another club.

 

[lionshine]

Grim stirring the pot better than I have previously. Fantastic to see!

 

[Toffee Lion]

Retzy was a nice bloke but he was at the end of the line and had to be cut.

 

[Ironmonger]

You were mocking people who disagreed with you.

Hm? What's this a reference to?

 

[cmt26]

Got to agree with the sentiments regarding Retzlaff and him not getting picked up by us as a rookie.

Tough calls have to be made, list spots are tight. He had great physical attributes and was a great clubman but at the end of the day, he just didn't have enough tools to make it as a long term AFL CHF. But it would have been a close call. He probably deserved another year if the knee hadn't have gone, but he was out of contract and we don't have the list space to wait two years for him to maybe successfully come back from the injury.

As for Pettard. No thanks, lets not get our QLD blinders on. As a medium forward, I'd rather grab Mayes, Menzel or Garner from the draft. Much better prospects. After 6 seasons, he hasn't shown anything that makes me think he would add to our list. He's shown that he has talent but has been developed poorly by melbourne and hasn't managed to rise above it. He's been a non-factor for Melbourne this year, when realistically he should have been a player trying to drag them out of the shit, similar to what Jones did. It's a different situation from Cook who could just be a late bloomer.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Grim stirring the pot better than I have previously. Fantastic to see!

Grim for mod!

 

[lionshine]

Grim for mod!

Time to start a new thread for Grim I think. "How do I become a mod once again" would be a fitting title

 

[jackess]

Grim is the Kevin Rudd of this board. He used to be our popular leader before IanHaso stabbed him in the back and now he just antagonises the rest of us while still being supported by certain factions on this board.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Grim is the Kevin Rudd of this board. He used to be our popular leader before IanHaso stabbed him in the back

TO be fair, it's not Haso's fault. It was the faceless men (i.e. Weevil).

 

[Grimreepah]

It never occurred to me that providing a list of Retzlaff's strengths and weaknesses would be so controversial.

 

[Grimreepah]

Might do an assessment of Sheldon tomorrow. I'm expecting cheers and tears and plenty more insults from Weevil.

Stay tuned folks.

 

[irel]

Might do an assessment of Sheldon tomorrow. I'm expecting cheers and tears and plenty more insults from Weevil.

Stay tuned folks.

Hawksley's assessment on the cards Grim?

 

[Grimreepah]

Hawksley's assessment on the cards Grim?

Probably not, irel. Was thinking I might share some thoughts on gay marriage.

 

[Grimreepah]

Hawksley's assessment on the cards Grim?

Actually, seeing as he is one of your favourites, I'm curious to see your assessment.

 

[irel]

Probably not, irel. Was thinking I might share some thoughts on gay marriage.

I’d stay away from divisive topics like that. Maybe a less controversial topic. What about an assessment of the political future of Senator Cory Bernardi.

 

[irel]

Actually, seeing as he is one of your favourites, I'm curious to see your assessment.

Ahh Hawksley. It's all Vossy's fault, don't you know that?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Ahh Hawksley. It's all Vossy's fault, don't you know that?

He's no Dalziell.

 

[Loyal Lion]

When I compare Lisle to Retz, I reckon Lisle is quite a fair bit in front of Retz. In his few senior appearances so far, he has shown a lot of upside. Lisle's 3rd qtr & goal & against Adelaide, when he swung around & coolly slotted it from 35 metres out, was pivotal in our win that day. I haven't seen anything from Retz like that to compare with. I believe that Retz dominated in the NEAFL, but didn't Lisle do the same ? I reckon the right bloke got de listed.