No that's fine. If you had said 'our original pick 28 was traded for hombsch/neade', instead of 29 I was with you.
Mega Thread 2013: Trade Hypotheticals
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No that's fine. If you had said 'our original pick 28 was traded for hombsch/neade', instead of 29 I was with you.
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Trading in or trading out?
Both
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The Suns seem quite happy to sit back and relax mostly this trade period, and I don't really blame them. By entering the draft with solid picks they continue to spread their age bracket, and there really aren't any gaping holes in their list. They're heading in the right direction and I don't really see much need to go after big name players or make explosive trades or anything. Can't remember exactly who it was but someone from the club was on trade radio the other day expressing similar thoughts, so I can't imagine they'll be too active.
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What do other Essendon supporters think of this as a potential end to trades/drafts/free agency.
Carlisle for pick #1-Boyd
Chapman as a free agent
Rookie Ben Duscher
Crameri for pick #22 (plus maybe some pick upgrades, not sure how highly Crameris valued)
Use #22 to draft Zac Merrett or Nathan freeman if he slides that far (a man can dream)
Use pick #44 to draft Garlett
Hurley goes back to make up for losing Carlisle, our forward structure might not be great with Daniher and Boyd being so young but I figure it can't get any worse then it already is.
Also trade Gumby, Colyer and Jetta if we can, they are not going to be successful on our list, other players are just better and they could use a fresh start.
Carlisle for pick #1-Boyd
Chapman as a free agent
Rookie Ben Duscher
Crameri for pick #22 (plus maybe some pick upgrades, not sure how highly Crameris valued)
Use #22 to draft Zac Merrett or Nathan freeman if he slides that far (a man can dream)
Use pick #44 to draft Garlett
Hurley goes back to make up for losing Carlisle, our forward structure might not be great with Daniher and Boyd being so young but I figure it can't get any worse then it already is.
Also trade Gumby, Colyer and Jetta if we can, they are not going to be successful on our list, other players are just better and they could use a fresh start.
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I realise you were asking Essendon supporters but thought I'd comment as a neutral anyway.
It's not looking too bad but I think you're confusing short-term and long-term a little. If you're bringing Chapman in you're planning on winning a premiership in the next two years - most likely next year as I'm not sure he has two in him - but if you're trading out Carlisle (huge call - was easily AA full back midway through the year) for Boyd and taking Hurley, Crameri and Gumbleton out of your forward structure, you're not looking for immediate success.
The skeleton of it is quite good but think you need to decide between the two a little bit more. Just my opinion though.
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I was thinking of chapman more for the leadership and culture which I still think we are lacking. But you have a point there, also I think crameri and Gumby are gone and Boyd can probably do a better job up forward then Hurley. I'm happy to get responds from opposition supporters too 
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didn't McKenna say that they needed a mature half back flanker?
how about Clancee Pearce for a swap of round 2 picks?
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I think if you want to go down that path though you need to keep some of your more mature players in there. For example, if we keep the basic structure but remove the Carlisle/Boyd trade, you could field something like this (bear in mind I'm not an Essendon supporter so might be missing a few players/have some out of position etc):I was thinking of chapman more for the leadership and culture which I still think we are lacking. But you have a point there, also I think crameri and Gumby are gone and Boyd can probably do a better job up forward then Hurley. I'm happy to get responds from opposition supporters too
Hibberd Carlisle Hooker
Goddard Fletcher Baguley
Heppell Watson Duscher
Chapman Daniher Melksham
Kommer Bellchambers Hurley
Ryder Hocking Stanton
Zaharakis Howlett Myers
Garlett
Just as an example. It's a pretty solid team and I don't really think you need to sell the farm for Boyd playing something like this.
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U will probably find that we will hopefully bundle picks to upgrade them.. We are pretty keen on aish so if pick 2 is available we will hopefully be able to trade for it, I don't think we will go after players unless shaw somehow wants to come to the suns
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If I see anyone, let alone another ****ing Essendon supporter, suggest we should trade Carlisle for pick 1 so we can recruit Boyd...I will ****ing scream.
You think pick 1 assures you of a picking up a elite player? It helps, but it is still a massive lottery. How many number 1 draft picks end up being the best player from their draft?
Why would we trade a bloke who has already proven he can produce football that ranks has some of the best key defensive play in the competition for the chance at a number 1 pick that might end up doing his knee each of his first 3 seasons and end up on the scrap heap before he's played a single game.
Hell we are almost living that ****ing nightmare with Gumbleton.
Yes Boyd might end up being a gun power forward and one of the best players in the competition...gues what Carslile is already well on his way to be a gun key back and one of the best players in the competition.
Why would we get rid of pretty much a sure thing, in the hope of getting a bloke who might end up being a slightly better player but who we have no idea whether he will be able to take the step up that is required at AFL level.
If I see anyone, let alone another ****ing Essendon supporter, suggest we should trade Carlisle for pick 1 so we can recruit Boyd...I will ****ing scream.
You think pick 1 assures you of a picking up a elite player? It helps, but it is still a massive lottery. How many number 1 draft picks end up being the best player from their draft?
Why would we trade a bloke who has already proven he can produce football that ranks has some of the best key defensive play in the competition for the chance at a number 1 pick that might end up doing his knee each of his first 3 seasons and end up on the scrap heap before he's played a single game.
Hell we are almost living that ****ing nightmare with Gumbleton.
Yes Boyd might end up being a gun power forward and one of the best players in the competition...gues what Carslile is already well on his way to be a gun key back and one of the best players in the competition.
Why would we get rid of pretty much a sure thing, in the hope of getting a bloke who might end up being a slightly better player but who we have no idea whether he will be able to take the step up that is required at AFL level.
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Hypothetically (assuming players are ok with their destination):
Hawthorn Out: Savage & 1st Rounder (Pick 18ish), In: Longer
Brisbane Out: Longer, In: Hampson & 1st Rounder (Pick 18ish)
Carlton Out: Hampson, In: Savage
Hawthorn might think that's overs? Possibly Brisbane could send back their 3rd rounder (or Ports 2nd if they get that in a Polec deal)? Hampson originally from QLD, but settled in Melbourne with Megan? Does Savage want to move to the Lions, so Brisbane could organise a straight trade?
Hawthorn Out: Savage & 1st Rounder (Pick 18ish), In: Longer
Brisbane Out: Longer, In: Hampson & 1st Rounder (Pick 18ish)
Carlton Out: Hampson, In: Savage
Hawthorn might think that's overs? Possibly Brisbane could send back their 3rd rounder (or Ports 2nd if they get that in a Polec deal)? Hampson originally from QLD, but settled in Melbourne with Megan? Does Savage want to move to the Lions, so Brisbane could organise a straight trade?
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No thanks.
I think Savage wants to stay in Victoria although that's his only preference. Carlton, Saints and Dees are interested and if I had to guess it would be Carlton's 29 or Saint's 26 to ge the deal done. Melbourne's 20 would probably be too much and anything they have below that would be too little. Or maybe an exhange of picks such as Carlton's 12 and 3rd rounder for Savage and Buddy compo (18)
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Bad move, while Mzungu and Suban are handy it would be more of what Melbourne already have, versus Hogan who assuming all goes well will be a star for the Dees
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To be honest, 28 is probably around the mark, if not a little high for my liking. He's an ok player, but if he was setting the world on fire, he'd be in your 22.
If this draft is as shallow as they are reporting, 12 for 18 would be a kick in the pants, and we would keep 12 unless we could get a great deal. Could see us going for Docherty instead of Savage,
Not sure what the Hawks would accept tbh. We have a lack of young mids and the if the draft is shall I definitely can't seeing us trading him for anymore less than a pick in the 20's. I reckon the Saints pick 26 would be about right
while a strong 22 might hinder a player getting lots of opportunity it nevers denies all opportunity.
if savage was good enough he would be running around in hawthorns 22. they have a very good team , but dont have elite talent all the way out to spots 22-25. not to mention the hawks need run in their side and a supposed running player cant hold his spot.
the problem is that savage isnt outright a midfielder at afl level , nor a dangerous small forward. kind of in-between. decent player who should get more opportunity at another club and hopefully be some part of that clubs 22.
a club like saints/ melb etc would do very well to nab him, but they would be silly to part with a 20's pick for him. only my opinion but a pick anywhere in the 30's should suffice.
if savage was good enough he would be running around in hawthorns 22. they have a very good team , but dont have elite talent all the way out to spots 22-25. not to mention the hawks need run in their side and a supposed running player cant hold his spot.
the problem is that savage isnt outright a midfielder at afl level , nor a dangerous small forward. kind of in-between. decent player who should get more opportunity at another club and hopefully be some part of that clubs 22.
a club like saints/ melb etc would do very well to nab him, but they would be silly to part with a 20's pick for him. only my opinion but a pick anywhere in the 30's should suffice.
Docherty would cost more than Savage. Depends on how much your club would ideally like to give up for a player who plays those roles.
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Uncontracted, wants to leave. Pick 28 and Laidler. Still a risk at his age, and surplus to our needs in the short term.
Doubt we'd do that. Shown some promise at AFL level. Laider is surplus to our needs and probably will be for 3-4 years. Laidler is probably worth about pick 65 plus.
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Dont think you would want it, but he can walk - ala Jacobs, Tippett etc.
Depend how hard your club wants him. If he were to leave he'd get picked up in the PSD by the dogs. There is some interest from Carlton, North, Essendon and the Dogs. So I think we could get something better than what you have suggested.
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