Preview 2015 Grand Final: Hawthorn v West Coast Eagles - Gunston IN, Hartung OUT

[The Lemon]

Stumbled into your Harks thread through the search engine , thought i was on the bay13 site about the away strip . Apologies for this

Do it all the time

 

[RIOLIUSTAR]

This times 1,000,000.

We know from the first final that the Eagles game plan is tailored to force a long kick. The hawks have to find a way to combat this, but also have to accept that at times it is going to work. And when the Hawks are forced into a long kick we need someone under it who can compete. Schoe is about the only bloke we have, especially with all the eagles talks Dow the other end keeping Lake/Frawley/Gibson busy

In the QF I can't believe how many hacked blind kicks we did out of contested situations. We won't be doing that again I hope. I suggest we need to flip the ball around with hands more from stoppages/congestion a little more than we did that night.

Can't afford to kick high long bombs in unless they're at the top of the square (15-20 metres out) and we have players at the drop of the ball.

The web works by pressuring the contest and having guys sagging off players up field, where they can numbers to the hacked high ball. By flipping the ball out of the contest, allows an easier hit up as they don't play close checking behind the ball.

I'd be backing our players skill to shred the web

 

[bigton08]

AFL website had it wrong last night too.

Yeah we won through first so why are people writing Wet Toast vs Hawthorn?idiots!!!

 

[boondy]

Do it all the time

Glad i didnt post something really derogatory first up thinking I was in bay 13 . Coulda got a ban . Once again sorry for stumblin in

 

[shurg123]

Unless you play with 2 extra players it ain't working on the G kiddo... Congrats on a great year, nice effort to make the GF.

Subiaco is Eden Park, and we all know what happened earlier this year .

 

[Clarkos_Soldier]

Yeah we won through first so why are people writing Wet Toast vs Hawthorn?idiots!!!

They finished higher on the ladder so it will be West Coast v Hawthorn officially.

 

[bfish]

They finished higher on the ladder so it will be West Coast v Hawthorn officially.

Patrick Keane said winner of 1st prelim is quoted first so it is Hawthorn v West Coast

 

[RIOLIUSTAR]

Patrick Keane said winner of 1st prelim is quoted first so it is Hawthorn v West Coast

Confusing...sportsbet has us as the away team.

Time for Gill to make the call

 

[Clarkos_Soldier]

Patrick Keane said winner of 1st prelim is quoted first so it is Hawthorn v West Coast

I stand corrected:

 

[bigton08]

I stand corrected:

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YAY!!!!!!

 

[Hawkk]

They finished higher on the ladder so it will be West Coast v Hawthorn officially.

Can't get anymore official than Patrick Keane

It's Hawthorn v West Coast according to the MCC website

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Wellingham was mentioned in the best but the amount of hard stuff he shirks is crazy.

Not sure if srs.

Bring it on Hawkers, the two best teams to watch in the comp (with the Dogs for me). Should be a cracker.

 

[grumbleguts]

I dont belt very hard simple . Plus Hawthorns losing margins are small so 20 points was big in the context

That's not witty. Option two for you.

20 points isn't a belting and hasn't been since 1907

 

[grumbleguts]

Stumbled into your Harks thread through the search engine , thought i was on the bay13 site about the away strip . Apologies for this

I did the same thing in a freo thread the other day and some cont named righteo gave me a day off AFTER I typed this exact message.

 

[eldorado]

Stumbled into your Harks thread through the search engine , thought i was on the bay13 site about the away strip . Apologies for this

Fair enough.

 

[Pessimistic]

Not sure if srs.

Bring it on Hawkers, the two best teams to watch in the comp (with the Dogs for me). Should be a cracker.

We have a couple too. Youll have another when jetta arrives

 

[CD Xbow]

Actually it's pretty simple technique that requires great coordination and discipline.

The web is another version of Clarko's cluster but with one difference. Instead of a general zone, you create layers of defence which can dynamically move with the movement of the ball. The idea is to have a line of defence at critical spaces between the ball carrier and the attacking targets. So you setup the layers or web of defence at interval that way you have players to contest no matter what the ball carrier decides to do. Importantly, it also allows the team to have an avenue of attack as soon as the ball is won back. The opposition will likely be caught out and a switch and hard running ensures that you can get them on the counter without them being able to get back in time. IT seems the way to beat the web is to play one on one like Kangaroos did in the first term. Don't allow West Coast to have the counter attack option. But North could not keep it going. It's a very exhaustive way of defending if your players are not as skilled as theirs.

Thanks, that's a good explanation. So manning up seems to be the way to go while in a defensive posture. The individual players match ups in terms of skills, speed and endurance would be important.

In the QF I can't believe how many hacked blind kicks we did out of contested situations. We won't be doing that again I hope. I suggest we need to flip the ball around with hands more from stoppages/congestion a little more than we did that night. The web works by pressuring the contest and having guys sagging off players up field, where they can numbers to the hacked high ball. By flipping the ball out of the contest, allows an easier hit up as they don't play close checking behind the ball.

So you are suggesting we will handball more from congestion, often going backwards & then chipping it around the backline, buying us time to transition to attack, forcing the web to reorientate itself, hopefully enabling a couple of Hawks further up field to make position.

Can't afford to kick high long bombs in unless they're at the top of the square (15-20 metres out) and we have players at the drop of the ball.

I can see that dream of many posters coming true, Cyril one on one in the goal square!

 

[boondy]

I did the same thing in a freo thread the other day and some cont named righteo gave me a day off AFTER I typed this exact message.

Righteo gave me a day off too ,last year , for saying crowley failed an a sample and a b sample of a p ( pee ) sample and the club thought he failed an iq test . Yep righteo is sensitive you really have to tread lightly on freo s board. You summed him up . Unreasonable

 

[grumbleguts]

Righteo gave me a day off too ,last year , for saying crowley failed an a sample and a b sample of a p ( pee ) sample and the club thought he failed an iq test . Yep righteo is sensitive you really have to tread lightly on freo s board

Lesson learned. Their thread had amost the exact same title as this one, and like you I apologised when I learned where I was, I thought, "who are these assholes come onto OUR turf and putting shit on our team?" Hackles rose and I rose to our defense. Turns out I was on their turf. Having apologised, I got my day off. Wouldn't have minded except he didn't believe me. ALl I wanted was a "yeah! easy to do." or something. What I got was "Ha ha nice try! I don't believe you."

 

[RIOLIUSTAR]

So you are suggesting we will handball more from congestion, often going backwards & then chipping it around the backline, buying us time to transition to attack, forcing the web to reorientate itself, hopefully enabling a couple of Hawks further up field to make position.

Yes basically, we need to handball instead of blindly hacking out of congestion, which happened too often in the QF.

Speed of ball movement and low darts rather than high floaters is key for mine. Get it to the fat side of contests as quick as possible, then run and carry using our unrivalled kicking skills.

#shredtheweb

 

[boondy]

Lesson learned. Their thread had amost the exact same title as this one, and like you I apologised when I learned where I was, I thought, "who are these assholes come onto OUR turf and putting shit on our team?" Hackles rose and I rose to our defense. Turns out I was on their turf. Having apologised, I got my day off. Wouldn't have minded except he didn't believe me. ALl I wanted was a "yeah! easy to do." or something. What I got was "Ha ha nice try! I don't believe you."

Thats genuinely funny tho

 

[cryptor]

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Actually it's pretty simple technique that requires great coordination and discipline.

The web is another version of Clarko's cluster but with one difference. Instead of a general zone, you create layers of defence which can dynamically move with the movement of the ball. The idea is to have a line of defence at critical spaces between the ball carrier and the attacking targets. So you setup the layers or web of defence at interval that way you have players to contest no matter what the ball carrier decides to do. Importantly, it also allows the team to have an avenue of attack as soon as the ball is won back. The opposition will likely be caught out and a switch and hard running ensures that you can get them on the counter without them being able to get back in time. IT seems the way to beat the web is to play one on one like Kangaroos did in the first term. Don't allow West Coast to have the counter attack option. But North could not keep it going. It's a very exhaustive way of defending if your players are not as skilled as theirs.

Their outlet attack channel which gives them a great chance to move the ball quickly up the wing can be used against them by a side with quick, precision kicks that goes back and switches the ball and attacks.

If we're switched and in the touch we have been the last couple weeks then we are well placed to make those moves. If we panic and kick it long and high into the web like we did in the QF then we will only see a repeat of that result.

 

[grumbleguts]

Thats genuinely funny tho

Yeah, I saw the humour in it, but thought, "this is why we don't allow children to have positions of authority." You got good natured humour from us when you realised what had happened. Not what you get from freo, but than look at their fans at the ground. Brain dead feral, morons who don't know what country Sri Lanka is in.

 

[MrPremiership]

Sitting M5. Anyone know where the Hawks cheer squad will be?

 

[savagelunchbox]

Sitting M5. Anyone know where the Hawks cheer squad will be?

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