Preview 2015 Grand Final: Hawthorn v West Coast Eagles - Gunston IN, Hartung OUT

[smeltitdeltit]

To be fair, The Age did run with a very similar story the other way around yesterday. It's all just clickbait.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...gles-wont-win-the-premiership-20150927-gjvz2s

Robert walls 3 points:
1.Bang
2.Bang
3.Bang

Brendan Foster.
1.blah blah blah blah blah
2.blah blah blah blah blah
3.blah blah blah blah blah
4.blah blah blah blah blah
5.blah blah blah blah blah

seriously, is he trying to convince us or himself?

 

[Brishawk]

Robert walls 3 points:
1.Bang
2.Bang
3.Bang

Brendan Foster.
1.blah blah blah blah blah
2.blah blah blah blah blah
3.blah blah blah blah blah
4.blah blah blah blah blah
5.blah blah blah blah blah

seriously, is he trying to convince us or himself?

Both articles were shit. Lets move on

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

Typical article out of the West today. Impassioned reasons maybe - but by **** they are tenuously supported by real facts - stretched to be truths.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/west-c...will-win-the-premiership-20150928-gjwtmi.html

1. Frawley can match Kennedy for speed easily.
2. Using stats from 2005 to back up his point? They have played one game there this year.
3. Using our 2008 performance as merit in beating us? Again, how is this relevant to this Saturday?
4. He says Frawley has looked lost in finals. Funny, he looked lost in the first half of the QF, moved down back, stopped Kennedy. Demolished Tex in the semi and beat Pavlich easily in the Prelim. Do these guys do any research or just make up shit?
5. If West Coast had a better attack wouldn't they have a higher percentage than us? I am pretty sure we have averaged the most goalkickers this year.

Honestly, all of these points are false or favour Hawthorn. Brendan Foster, you are an idiot.

 

[butchy]

Players miss training all the time. Head out for the warm up, move around a bit and then head inside.
Went to a session about 8 weeks back where all of Hodge, Birch, Poppy, Roughy and Mitch all walked in after about 15 minutes.
Its all about management, nothing to be worried about. If they skip the final run on thursday, then thats when they are under a cloud.
Re Hodge, he was sore in that last quarter, but he was sent back out there and had no issues.
Im sure he is probably sore, and thats why no training until later in the week. pretty regular occurrence id say.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

What I don't get with this "It is Eagles Defence vs Hawthorn Attack" argument is that we had the least amount of points against us in the competition. That is, we have the best defence in the competition during the H&A season. They go on as if our defence is awful after one bad game where best defender was played forward.

 

[Gold Member]

Shaun Burgoyne's been pretty quiet lately...

 

[bigton08]

hope hodge is ok..don't want players under a cloud going in...hes had a strange season nothing would surprise me...

 

[Brant]

The WCE forwards exposed us in the QF predominantly because of how we matched up. We literally couldn't have lined up much worse. Frawley at CHF & Lake on Kennedy is just crazy amounts of dumb... We had very little run from defence, but we were also defending from quite deep. We usually defend at Half Back & use the Full Back line for switching the ball & rebounding out the other way (why we always appear to give up cheap goals out the back). WCE dominated the mid-3rd of the ground & their Half-Forward (our HB) & had us defending at FB, leaving us to bomb long to clear the ball, which they owned.

In the QF, Kennedy had 26 disposals, 3.2 & 9 marks. He was also hugely effective in marking the ball 45m-60m from goal & delivering to Hill (3.0), LeCras (2.1) & Cripps (2.1). He ran Lake around & literally did what he wanted to. He was their match winner (others were contributors).

In the PF, Kennedy had 20 disposals, 2.3 & 9 marks. He was the player that kept them in it for Q1 - his work & his determination & run up the ground were brilliant. He dominated Scott Thompson in brain power & strength & just not being a dic**ead (sorry, can't stand Thompson...)! Again, he marked & scored from 45m-55m whilst also hitting up overlap runners for cheapies over the top.

IMO, we need to stop Kennedy marking the ball 45m-60m from goal. But wait... Where on Earth do we get a defender who can match Kennedy for pace & physical strength? The kind of defender who can play a lock-down, one-on-one role that keeps the league's best forwards to the following numbers:

- Tex Walker to 1.3, 10 disposals & 6 marks (SF);
- Buddy Franklin to 0.0, 7 disposals & 3 marks (Rnd 8); &,
- Combined to keep Hungry29, Maine & Taberner to 2 goals in the Prelim Final.

If only we could use our Chip Frawley - our QF CHF (just so dumb) on the best forward in the AFL to whom he's perfectly matched????

Jack Darling has played 14 games for 25 goals in 2015 - Gibbo can well & truly handle him & he's not nearly as damaging a high half-forward as Roughy or Gunston are. Stratton to LeCras & Doc/Burgoyne to Hill. This forces WCE's hand.

WCE usually prefer to rest a ruckman on the bench, allowing them to drift forward during regular play whilst also having an extra runner around the ball, but they'll not be able to leave Lake unattended as he'll chop off every high ball without contest. So they'll have to play/rest a ruckman at FF. This makes them top-heavy, or, clogs up free space that Cripps, LeCras, Hill et al would usually overlap run into when Kennedy has marked, 55m from goal. WCE's Forward 50m just got cramped, quick.

If Chip can force a contest on Kennedy at Half-Back or the flanks & force the ball to ground rather than giving up marks within 60m, we run a very good chance of clearing the ball quickly & hitting up our mobile Half-Forwards in Gunston, Breust & Roughy, or setting Smitty/Hill into space, rather than being constricted by the net or web or whatever they've renamed the Cluster; we'll also get to keep Popeye & Cyril near the F50m for when Hale/Schoey bring the ball to ground instead of having them at HB/Wing trying to run the ball forward. Alternately, if they win the disputed ball then they'll likely go inside F50m under pressure, which is how Lake wins Normies!


If we:

- pressure or restrict Kennedy;
- defend at HB, giving us room at FB to switch;
- use the width of the 'G well when heading forward; &,
- at least bring the ball to ground in our F50m if we can't mark.

We'll win.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

The Hodge stuff is just a media beat up, players have light weeks on the track and or miss training all the time at this time of year..... Anyways 96 hours to go wowser.

 

[The Kipster]

From the prelim it would seem a substantiated opinion when one looks at the Ballantyne decision that umpires have been instructed to assert control early on the game. Hopefully this applies to the GF too.

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Yep, Eddie Muster showed again why he is such a bell-end. Once he decided to niggle in front of the umpires, they were going to look at what he was doing off the ball, admittedly he didn't do much but by that stage the umpires were watching him...dumb arse!

 

[Buckemenico]

I am waiting for the annual week before the GF:

"Alastair Clarkson has signed on to coach an interstate team for several years regardless of the result of the Grand Final......"

Maybe Adelaide again....

 

[bigton08]

I am waiting for the annual week before the GF:

"Alastair Clarkson has signed on to coach an interstate team for several years regardless of the result of the Grand Final......"

Maybe Adelaide again....

this time it'll be Brisbane!

 

[Lithium]

Attention! -
For anyone who plans on parking at Yarra Park, make sure you have a back up option or get there very early as the car park size has been severely reduced to under a 1000 car spots as there is an event on.

 

[The Lemon]

Attention! -
For anyone who plans on parking at Yarra Park, make sure you have a back up option or get there very early as the car park size has been severely reduced to under a 1000 car spots as there is an event on.

Get rid of Princes Park they said...not enough carparks they said...

 

[Alex_au]

1. Frawley can match Kennedy for speed easily.
Honestly, all of these points are false or favour Hawthorn. Brendan Foster, you are an idiot.

Yes he can definately match Kennedy for speed if he is able to keep up with Lewis Jetta.

Check out :37 seconds in. Apologies for the Bruce fapfest...

 

[killerspud]

What are the odds of Hale being dropped to make way for Gunston and Roughy pinch hitting in the ruck with McEvoy. Rough hasnt been doing a lot up front in recent weeks and is doing most of his good work on the ball so I dont see this as a problem. Plus neither he, Hale or Mcevoy are going to beat Naitanui in the ruck that way we get Shoey Gunston Rough as 3 tall towers up fwd with Shoey able to play back in a "break glass in case of emergency" role. We also get to keep all three of our gazelles running through the midfield with Billy coming on as sub. Thoughts?

I think people forget that the Eagles second ruckman Callum Sinclair is actually a really really good player - Might not have the flair of Nic Nat (who does?) but can be really damaging around the ground and is a solid mark. I'd be worried taking in only one ruckman

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Big deal.

Best team on the day will win regardless of the umpires.

No way?!!

 

[Bikefreak]

1. Frawley can match Kennedy for speed easily.
2. Using stats from 2005 to back up his point? They have played one game there this year.
3. Using our 2008 performance as merit in beating us? Again, how is this relevant to this Saturday?
4. He says Frawley has looked lost in finals. Funny, he looked lost in the first half of the QF, moved down back, stopped Kennedy. Demolished Tex in the semi and beat Pavlich easily in the Prelim. Do these guys do any research or just make up shit?
5. If West Coast had a better attack wouldn't they have a higher percentage than us? I am pretty sure we have averaged the most goalkickers this year.

Honestly, all of these points are false or favour Hawthorn. Brendan Foster, you are an idiot.

Nothing like bias to cause a warped view of reality for these twits.

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[Bikefreak]

Players miss training all the time. Head out for the warm up, move around a bit and then head inside.
Went to a session about 8 weeks back where all of Hodge, Birch, Poppy, Roughy and Mitch all walked in after about 15 minutes.
Its all about management, nothing to be worried about. If they skip the final run on thursday, then thats when they are under a cloud.
Re Hodge, he was sore in that last quarter, but he was sent back out there and had no issues.
Im sure he is probably sore, and thats why no training until later in the week. pretty regular occurrence id say.

Surely he still has a cracking headache......tough bugger.

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[bfish]

The Hodge stuff is just a media beat up, players have light weeks on the track and or miss training all the time at this time of year..... Anyways 96 hours to go wowser.

Hodgey had that fall in the last quarter that left him very sore. He limped to the bench. Spent a fair bit of time off. He came back out and was fine. The man has won a Norm Smith with broken ribs. Bit of general soreness will not stop him.

 

[Argy]

Nothing like bias to cause a warped view of reality for these twits.

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Clickbait

 

[Hawkk]

Adam Simpson and the Eagles have been very low key so far this week - a major departure from the purple haze shit 2 years ago

Very understated, very Hawthorn. Hopefully our experienced heads will come to the fore because I really like what the Eagles are building

 

[Bikefreak]

Clickbait

Yeah I dont even bother clicking on the link.
Biased trash.

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[Lithium]

Typical article out of the West today. Impassioned reasons maybe - but by **** they are tenuously supported by real facts - stretched to be truths.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/west-c...will-win-the-premiership-20150928-gjwtmi.html

Lol. This is a classic case of over correction, he knows the Eagles are up against it but is trying to convince himself and everyone else they're not.
This era we are having has been fantastic to watch as you can just see how much others hurting because of it.

We are on the verge of history, everyone else cries while we all laugh. I love it!

 

[pantskyle]

No way?!!