People here will also be amazed at how a guy like Curnow's skills, and the skills of our whole team in general, can suddenly drastically improve and look great simply due to a better gameplan and structures that are implemented well, making it easier for our players to hit targets.
List Mgmt. 2015 LIST Discussion - trades, free agency etc
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People here will also be amazed at how a guy like Curnow's skills, and the skills of our whole team in general, can suddenly drastically improve and look great simply due to a better gameplan and structures that are implemented well, making it easier for our players to hit targets.
We are about to finish 17th now with a raft of senior players so I don't think we need worry to much young guys not being able to win games.
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Senior delist: Carrazzo, Judd, Ellard, Tutt, Warnock, Watson (consider re-rookie), Jones (subject to TPP considerations)
Rookie delist: Fields, Wood (if we have a guaranteed elevation written up for him we're idiots), Russell, Johnson
Rookie promote: Byrne, Sheehan
Re-sign: Armfield (1 year), Curnow (2 years), Kreuzer (3 years), Holman (2 years), Giles (1 year with 1 year option), Everitt (2 years with 1 year option)
Trade: White (upgrade our 3rd round pick into 2nd round), Rowe (free to a good home), Henderson (pick 10 and change)
Ideal incomings:
PSD: Carlisle
Trade: Stewart for pick 19
Draft: Weitering, pick 10, Pick 30ish, Rice, SOSOS
Rookie delist: Fields, Wood (if we have a guaranteed elevation written up for him we're idiots), Russell, Johnson
Rookie promote: Byrne, Sheehan
Re-sign: Armfield (1 year), Curnow (2 years), Kreuzer (3 years), Holman (2 years), Giles (1 year with 1 year option), Everitt (2 years with 1 year option)
Trade: White (upgrade our 3rd round pick into 2nd round), Rowe (free to a good home), Henderson (pick 10 and change)
Ideal incomings:
PSD: Carlisle
Trade: Stewart for pick 19
Draft: Weitering, pick 10, Pick 30ish, Rice, SOSOS
For mine, a "suitable trade" is one that immediately improves the list by doing the deal.
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I'd say you'd be very close on the de-listings and I don't mind the notion of rookie-ing Watson.........but I just don't think he'll get that far.
White's not going anywhere. Contracted for another year and he'll see that through.
So we go into 2016 with Kreuzer as our only ruckman?
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Korcheck will be coming in it seems, and then you've got Casboult, Carlisle and Stewart who can pinch hit, that's before we've used any picks in the ND or RD on additional support or talent to develop.
There's plenty better than Wood and Warnock available outside the system, and I really don't see us using a second ruck next year, even with the changes to rotations and a likely 3rd man up rule.
I'd rather White did go somewhere, so that we try and retain as much talent on our list as we can and give up on guys who aren't going to play a role for us by the end of 2016. White could do well at somewhere like the Dogs, who could use a senior body for defensive support over the season.
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You just can't, but that doesn't mean to say we won't be looking out for another ruck-man.........American dude excluded.
Wood is contracted anyway so he's going nowhere....
Refocus your thoughts there Stamos, if Kreuzer was traded (and I genuinely hope he isn't), then the club would be moving heaven & earth to find a replacement.
Just on that, reckon Lobbe from Port Adelaide may be on the market this year.
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What is the nature of this contract? Is it an option in addition to his rookie contract, or have we guaranteed him senior elevation?
Our list is even more cooked if we're gifting Wood an elevation.
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Even if the improvement is only a step-up from "OK" to "kind of good"? Is there much value in trading Casboult for a slightly better player who we then try to offload after another 2 years when a slightly better option comes along? Are we not better off retaining Casboult and improving the structure around him to make the most of his strengths?
Apologies for the tone of my first response to you - definitely came off much more critical than I intended. I just worry that by gutting the list in a very short space of time we may actually make it harder for our next generation of players to reach their potential. It needs to be done, but it needs to be done smart.
I'd actually rather our seniors continued to struggle next season while our reserves pushed up the ladder if it means we're creating a better environment for players to develop. Right now our reserves get knocked from pillar to post, and due to injuries we've got players who are nowhere near the grade being called up to the seniors. That doesn't build confidence nor does it develop skill.
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Wood is moving to the senior list for next season, and frankly he deserves it.
He may not be the most talented big man out there, but one thing you can be sure of is that he gives it everything he's got. We'd have been completely stuffed without him a number of times over the past two seasons.
He may not be the most talented big man out there, but one thing you can be sure of is that he gives it everything he's got. We'd have been completely stuffed without him a number of times over the past two seasons.
I understand where you are coming from now, thanks for the clarification.
I don't disagree with you at all, turning over the list and building one capable of consistently playing finals and hopefully winning flags takes time and normally follows a strategic plan of some sort.
Our recruiting has been spasmodic at best for a very long time and we are paying the penalty for that now. We need to build a foundation from which to launch from with each player brought in possessing some non-negotiables (eg. disposal skills & fighting spirit).
There is no quick fix these days, we have to take the pain to get the gain and I'd like to think that the vast majority of Blues supporters across the country will be patient during this period (keep taking out memberships etc) in the knowledge that the good times will come again.
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Frankly I disagree, and you only need to look at his efforts vs those of Kreuzer. He's not the 2010s version of Barnaby French, he's just an honest battler who's not built for the modern game despite his work ethic and clean hands. Giving him a year when we don't have to would be a mistake and could cost us someone like Armfield or Curnow, who would genuinely support the 22 next year.
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You may wish to re-phrase that.
Options open on Wood. If we retain 38/6 split, then no rush to get him onto a senior list.
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Good point, but I'd still want us to rookie another ruck in addition to Korcheck (assuming we don't pick up one in the national draft).
Yes four rucks are a luxury for established clubs, but Wood is a stop gap and Korcheck is highly speculative.
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Casboult underrated
Assuming he stays.
Sounds familiar to the last few years of trades
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Not sure why you are comparing him to Kreuzer who is obviously significantly superior to Wood, and probably every other player on the list, when it comes to effort.
It is no shame that a player is unable to emulate the effort we see from Kreuzer out on the field, and it is certainly not reason enough to get rid of him.
Wood does not have claims to be the number one ruck at the club but has shown himself to be a very capable replacement should our preferred option be unavailable for whatever reason, be it injury or suspension.
To be going into next year with Kreuzer as our only plausible option in the ruck (if he stays) is inviting disaster. Would be a horrendous error from the club.
I don't follow.
If it's list spots... He's already a nominated rookie, which means we went into the season a player short on our primary list.
If it's salary cap... If we're losing Judd, Carrazzo, Henderson, Warnock, Yarran that's $1-1.5million freed up on those 5 alone.
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With your pick 2 if weitering is still there get him
And if Kirean Collins is still there at your pick 20 get him and us will have a fb and a CHB for the future
If chris yarran goes to Richmond for a second round pick use that on Bailey rice and Henderson for geelongs second round use that for James aish and probably tom bell in that deal because reported that he wants a move back to Queensland
And if Kirean Collins is still there at your pick 20 get him and us will have a fb and a CHB for the future
If chris yarran goes to Richmond for a second round pick use that on Bailey rice and Henderson for geelongs second round use that for James aish and probably tom bell in that deal because reported that he wants a move back to Queensland
List spots will be very tight. I'm hearing of about 5 players coming via trades and you'd want to take at least 5 picks in the national draft.
Say we draft Weitering, Pick 9~ (Henderson), Pick 20~, Rice, SOSOS we also almost definitely have Carlisle coming in and my guess is we'll at least trade in another 3 players on top of that. 9 players in!!!
Who goes out? Judd, Carrazzo, Ellard, Watson, Warnock, Henderson are 6. Most likely Bell makes it 7. We may have to make a touch decision on the likes of Armfield, Dick, Tutt or Jones.
Say we draft Weitering, Pick 9~ (Henderson), Pick 20~, Rice, SOSOS we also almost definitely have Carlisle coming in and my guess is we'll at least trade in another 3 players on top of that. 9 players in!!!
Who goes out? Judd, Carrazzo, Ellard, Watson, Warnock, Henderson are 6. Most likely Bell makes it 7. We may have to make a touch decision on the likes of Armfield, Dick, Tutt or Jones.
Very much on the money with some significant reservations.
1. Curnow is a required player and well ahead of similar players BB, Whiley and Holman who you (not me) see as part of our future.
2. I would put Jaksch, Smith and DVR in the "unknowns" list. None of these 3 have shown they will make it, though they still have time.
3.I wouldn't cry myself to sleep if we said goodbye to Fields.
4. It would be quite beyond expectations to trade Yarran for Alex Pearce.
If we were ton trade Hendo & Yarran for second rounders , SOS should be sacked immediately.
Enough gifting of quality players for peanuts, we've lost to many in the last few years for naught.
I'm sure SOS is well aware of it, if offers are ridiculous Yarran stays contacted and Hendo is delisted.
Ciao
Enough gifting of quality players for peanuts, we've lost to many in the last few years for naught.
I'm sure SOS is well aware of it, if offers are ridiculous Yarran stays contacted and Hendo is delisted.
Ciao
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