List Mgmt. 2015 LIST Discussion - trades, free agency etc

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Red Bull said:
Any support for your proposed Kruezer/Yarran deal over your way mate ?
Can imagine the natives are getting restless after Sunday's result .
Your time is now , you can't afford to sit on your hands like last year ...
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Mate i was all for that deal, But with whats being said about MK's medical issue's its looking like a massive risk for any club to take
4 years at 600k is alot to carry on your books for a player thats supposedly ready to break down.

Hope he does a Stevie J' and proves them wrong though, MK is a good player and deserves some luck
 

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Windhover said:
No, my "logic" says nothing about what might be rightly done at other clubs at other times. But let's take each of the players you nominated.

Miles at age 21 was taken by Richmond with pick 27 in the 2013 rookie draft. Ok, Plowman and Bugge (not Phillips) I am happy to consider at a similar stage in the rookie draft. Not happy to trade for or use a National draft pick on either.

Bruce was aged 21, had played 11 games for GWS in 2013 and is 196cm. Was traded for pick 48. Obviously with the benefit of hindsight St Kilda have done well in the deal and have found for themselves (this year) a potential Coleman medalist. So, ask yourself this. What blue sky does Lachie Plowman have? At 192 cm/90 kg he is not going to be a key position player. Maybe he can become a gun midfielder, just that he has not been tried in that position, presumably based on training form and aptitude. He only had 2 games in 2015.

Sure, if the club thinks they see something in him go with our second round rookie draft pick. Otherwise we are potentially wasting a pick on a player that might be an A-grader for a player (Plowman) that is at best a useful member of the best 22. At this stage of our rebuild we need as many opportunities to "get lucky" with picks for A-graders. Once we have sufficient A-graders for our game plan, then and only then would I be interested in recruiting filler players on a "for needs" basis.

In the case of Sam Jacobs it was obvious he could ruck at AFL level (he thrashed Hale in the VFL final of his final year with us). Any Club that needed an AFL quality ruckman would have been mad not to consider him. But you had to need an AFL quality ruckman. Jacobs went to the Crows as a 22 year old ruckman who couldn't get a regular game because of the logjam of ruckmen we had. Phillips is 24 and the reason he can't get a game (4 this year) is because he is sodding useless. Now ruckmen can come good even after the age of 24 (i.e. Jamar (at age 26), Maric (26), Gawn (23)) but the odds are dead against it. And Phillips suggests less than any of those players that he is an exception. At best he is likely to be a B grade ruckman, capable of competing with most but being beaten by the best. Give me Korcheck any day.
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well we can agree on Phillips, personally i see a lot of upside in players like Plowman, Bugg, Hampton and anyone similar and will just have to disagree on their trade worth.
 
Blue__Balls said:
Here are the number 1 PSD picks since 2000.

Not seeing many "big fish" amongst that lot.
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You left off two big ones though, Nick Stevens and Kurt Tippet were big fish. How in hell did so many clubs let Tippet slide to the Swans, all weak as piss
 
JasRulz63 said:
Out of interest regarding Tippett, the price on his head was so large that Brisbane and GWS were told they didn't have the cap space to get him (and apparently weren't close to having enough either), and therefore could not see the contract details. So he got to Sydney because no one could match the deal.
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I find this hard to believe, i hear the Tippett is on around $750-$800K surely a few sides could have afforded this for a season to on trade him
 
dangerousdane said:
I find this hard to believe, i hear the Tippett is on around $750-$800K surely a few sides could have afforded this for a season to on trade him
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http://theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tippett-gets-his-sydney-wish-20121210-2b5q6.html

The Lions and Giants both had significant room in their total player payments, but were still some distance from the amount for 2013 that would have to be included if they met Tippett's four-year fee, which was to be about $3.55m before Tippett received his 11-match suspension for draft and salary cap offences. If Tippett's 2013 fee has been lowered after his suspension, it remains hefty enough to be beyond the reach of Sydney's competitors.
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But while Brisbane conceivably could have come close to matching Tippett's fee for 2013, perhaps $800,000-900,000 - by combining the two forms of capped payments - Tippett is believed to have set out terms that put all, or nearly all, of his contract in the salary cap. This appears to be a clever tactic of his management and the Swans to ensure he gets to his club of choice.
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HARKER said:
slashin_velvet There's been nowhere near enough love for this post.

Whichever way it could be set out, the principle is flawless. Don't let it die here...............Please. Well done. :thumbsu:
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Only issue is the new equalisation measures and the limited high end # of games played for the more recently added teams but it's a good format to keep the F/S tradition alive.
 
HARKER said:
slashin_velvet There's been nowhere near enough love for this post.

Whichever way it could be set out, the principle is flawless. Don't let it die here...............Please. Well done. :thumbsu:
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It was a really interesting idea from the slash, but no way that a team will just be gifted a player at the extreme end.

I get the feeling that any further changes to f/s will stay linked to academy bidding process. And there are bound to be plenty more academy kids coming through each year compared to f/s, especially at the top end.
 
Heres Waite said:
Lol!! Mitch Robinson just won the best and fairest for the Lions!! He was worth a second rounder that we wanted! Except we didnt play our cards right and Brisbane knew we would delist him.
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The Lions are like a junior footy club. Everyone gets an award.
 
mediumsizered said:
Should always be wary of someone who has a surname as a christian name.
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HARKER said:
slashin_velvet There's been nowhere near enough love for this post.

Whichever way it could be set out, the principle is flawless. Don't let it die here...............Please. Well done. :thumbsu:
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I took it to the brisbane board....they knocked it on the head pretty quickly as being "fanciful".

Dont have any other contacts, to spread the idea to, and personally dont see the afl biting.
 
slashin_velvet said:
I took it to the brisbane board....they knocked it on the head pretty quickly as being "fanciful".

Dont have any other contacts, to spread the idea to, and personally dont see the afl biting.
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Not fanciful at all.

The principle is great in that the longer the 'father' had played with said club the better the compensation.
That whole 100 games stuff is silly. A player may have played 99 games in the 1st and 201 in the 2's for a club........A whole football lifetime yet be denied the ability for son to be picked up.

We now have a points system so why not have the scale attached to games the father has played? It's not hard yet very fair.
 
I have been in the 'keep Kruezer at Carlton' camp through out this drama and even with the 'failed' medicals, I still believe that the offer tabled is a good one. One that probably favors the club more than Matty. I hope that he stays. However he has to look after his family first not our club.
 
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ew-kreuzer-20150915-gjngh7.html#ixzz3lqhBjcNW

Matthew Kreuzer's failure to satisfy Collingwood's medical team that his body would justify the massive four-year contract the Magpies had put on the table appears to have had a domino effect across the forthcoming trade period. The Magpies have withdrawn the reported $2.4 million deal put forward to the Carlton ruckman,

Carlton have made two offers to Kreuzer this season and insist they want to keep their previously highly prized ruckman. The second, improved contract offer put to him was a highly conditional three-year agreement in late August. That guaranteed the 26-year-old about $1 million, but was worth significantly more should he play the majority of games over the next three seasons.

The Blues believe Kreuzer was also tested by the Western Bulldogs and was unable to satisfy that club of his full fitness.
 
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