List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Draft, Rookie Draft and FA Megathread

[StKing11]

Ken Oath they do.

If my mail is correct, the club want to push for finals as early as next year.

Which means we are going aggressively at the types of players we want / need. It's a wide net.

Just because we have shown interest in a player doesn't mean that we will sell the farm for him.

we have spoken to just about every potential player that may suit our needs as far as I know.

This has got me thinking..

Watching WB in the finals tonight, do we want to 'do a dogs' and over achieve, flying up the ladder?

Or would we prefer to stay down in the bottom 6 for another couple of years and then start to rise?

Both have pros and cons. If we 'do a dogs' then it's great for membership/sponsors/media coverage and would help us greatly in trying to get players like Carlisle or Aish want to come to our club.

If we hang down the bottom 5-6 for another couple of years, it allows us to stockpile a serious group of elite young talent through early draft picks, which may mean we have a higher ceiling and more longevity when we do rise, rather than climbing quickly and then perhaps plateauing in the 5-8 spots on the ladder due to not having the depth of talent of the top 4 teams.

It's an interesting point of discussion IMO.

 

[SeanMcDon]

If they land Treloar and maybe Aish... I don't see what interest they'd have in Saunders to be honest.

I'd be more than happy to Keep Lee for another year unless he wants out.

to be honest i cant see them having much of a choice considering he is ooc, otherwise im happy for them to just take our 3rd rounder. Also rumours are flying that lee does in fact want more opportunities

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

This has got me thinking..

Watching WB in the finals tonight, do we want to 'do a dogs' and over achieve, flying up the ladder?

Or would we prefer to stay down in the bottom 6 for another couple of years and then start to rise?

Both have pros and cons. If we 'do a dogs' then it's great for membership/sponsors/media coverage and would help us greatly in trying to get players like Carlisle or Aish want to come to our club.

If we hang down the bottom 5-6 for another couple of years, it allows us to stockpile a serious group of elite young talent through early draft picks, which may mean we have a higher ceiling and more longevity when we do rise, rather than climbing quickly and then perhaps plateauing in the 5-8 spots on the ladder due to not having the depth of talent of the top 4 teams.

It's an interesting point of discussion IMO.

The landscape for landing talent is changing, free agency allows teams at the top to get in ready made talent.

I think you go for the wins every time, I'd much rather be the Bulldogs than the demons.

 

[VDS66]

This has got me thinking..

Watching WB in the finals tonight, do we want to 'do a dogs' and over achieve, flying up the ladder?

Or would we prefer to stay down in the bottom 6 for another couple of years and then start to rise?

Both have pros and cons. If we 'do a dogs' then it's great for membership/sponsors/media coverage and would help us greatly in trying to get players like Carlisle or Aish want to come to our club.

If we hang down the bottom 5-6 for another couple of years, it allows us to stockpile a serious group of elite young talent through early draft picks, which may mean we have a higher ceiling and more longevity when we do rise, rather than climbing quickly and then perhaps plateauing in the 5-8 spots on the ladder due to not having the depth of talent of the top 4 teams.

It's an interesting point of discussion IMO.

Not sure you'd want hang down the ladder for so long. There are no guarantees with draft picks, so if players come along, you grab them. If that means you move up then so be it.

If you grab established guns, then why not?

 

[StKing11]

Not sure you'd want hang down the ladder for so long. There are no guarantees with draft picks, so if players come along, you grab them. If that means you move up then so be it.

If you grab established guns, then why not?

This is the ideal scenario really, although it's hard for us to get these players when the likes of Hawthorn/Collingwood/Geelong are circling.

 

[TheJackal]

Freeman is cooked, can't even jog without ripping a string. Crisp is a so so player and I think Sidebottom will be at St Kilda sometime in the next two years.
Darcy Moore will be their star, however, we will get a Voss and a Peckett soon, along with a Rice hopefully.

Hey mate, please don't take this the wrong way because I'm not trying to catch you out but I am just concerned with what I read especially considering we are now heavily linked.

The quoted post was from August 25, was that just an off the cuff remark, or is there some truth to it?

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

This is the ideal scenario really, although it's hard for us to get these players when the likes of Hawthorn/Collingwood/Geelong are circling.

Which re-enforces the theory of get up the top of the ladder quickly

 

[Kilroy]

If you're offering a 3rd round pick we'll send him to Carlton in the PSD.

It's a shallow draft, even 2nd round picks have very low value. 3rd round picks are virtually useless.

Not sure we’d be offering it yet for Freeman. We value that pick.

No wonder he wants to leave.

 

[Nicholas]

People don't seriously think Carlisle will get banned for 2 years do they?

Now that Hird is gone, IF the Essendon players get suspended they will get 3 weeks tops.
But from what I hear they won't get any suspensions.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Not sure you'd want hang down the ladder for so long. There are no guarantees with draft picks, so if players come along, you grab them. If that means you move up then so be it.

If you grab established guns, then why not?

But you can also get stuck. That's why value is incredibly important. If you top up, then you also need to be brave about tipoing others out as well. Makes for an interesting two months.

Where's BS?!!

 

[STK2020]

A 200cm, 105kg AFL quality KPD who has also been good enough to go forward and kick 8 goals in a game. Yep, the bloke is S#$T.

Maybe if he played his role as a GOOD
Defender his 8 goals in that one game
wouldn't be needed .
My opinion is he isnt worth the cash or our
1st round pick .

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

Maybe if he played his role as a GOOD
Defender his 8 goals in that one game
wouldn't be needed .
My opinion is he isnt worth the cash or our
1st round pick .

He is worth what we'd be prepared to pay him. Don't believe any of the figures being used in media. They are either fed misinformation from managers or just make it up.

 

[From 45]

Maybe if he played his role as a GOOD
Defender his 8 goals in that one game
wouldn't be needed .
My opinion is he isnt worth the cash or our
1st round pick .

I believe it demonstrates his versatility.. You also have to understand that Essendon had the flexibility of playing him forward given they could play hooker and Hurley as their key backs.. Doesn't mean he can't play down back

Yes the money is excessive but you have to pay overs these days. I have no issues with it. He's also definitely worth a 1st rounder

 

[STK2020]

I would really like our club to use the draft.
Looking at what our recruiting staff have done
over the last 2 drafts im more than happy to continue the rebuild.
Hugh Goddard has shown so much potential
as a KPD and if we need another defender lets pick a kid and bank the cash and grab a big name
in our window.

 

[TheJackal]

Mega trade hypothetical time. Whilst I would prefer to keep our first pick out of any trade for Carlisle, I read Dodoro has some interest in Bennell.

So who would do pick 5 for Dixon compo and Carlisle?

Port gets Dixon
Saints get pick 10, Carlisle
Suns get pick 5
Dons get Bennell.

Obviously plenty of sweeteners and pick swaps required, but that would be it in essence.

I'd probably stick to our 2nd and change and draft Matho/trade for Kelly to be honest. Would anyone take that hypothetical though?

 

[Joffaboy]

I believe it demonstrates his versatility.. You also have to understand that Essendon had the flexibility of playing him forward given they could play hooker and Hurley as their key backs.. Doesn't mean he can't play down back

Yes the money is excessive but you have to pay overs these days. I have no issues with it. He's also definitely worth a 1st rounder

Might be worth a first rounder, but thats not what will be offered

 

[Joffaboy]

I would really like our club to use the draft.
Looking at what our recruiting staff have done
over the last 2 drafts im more than happy to continue the rebuild.
Hugh Goddard has shown so much potential
as a KPD and if we need another defender lets pick a kid and bank the cash and grab a big name
in our window.

Hugh Goddard was a fluke. Cant expect a FPD of Carlisle's ability to slide to our second rounder.


It just isn't going to happen. We pick up Carlisle, keep #5 for a classy mid and the rebuild is fast tracked.

Also we have oodles of cash to spend. Can't see your reasoning after what everyone has pointed out except stubbornness to review your own position on Carlisle.

 

[From 45]

I would really like our club to use the draft.
Looking at what our recruiting staff have done
over the last 2 drafts im more than happy to continue the rebuild.
Hugh Goddard has shown so much potential
as a KPD and if we need another defender lets pick a kid and bank the cash and grab a big name
in our window.

Why wait 5 years for a young KPD to come on when we can pick up one now in the trade period? At least I know what Carlisle is capable of.

Might be worth a first rounder, but thats not what will be offered

I understand that joff but you know that wasn't my point, right?

 

[TheJackal]

Issu

I would really like our club to use the draft.
Looking at what our recruiting staff have done
over the last 2 drafts im more than happy to continue the rebuild.
Hugh Goddard has shown so much potential
as a KPD and if we need another defender lets pick a kid and bank the cash and grab a big name
in our window.

The issue is that Glass-McCasker (spell?) is the best of the rest after Weitering, Francis and Collins are gone and if it was a deep draft G-M would be lucky to be a rookie pick imo. It's not the draft to look for a def/ruck and M Brown isn't neccessarily the answer if available as a rookie.

The time is now and I'd happily get Carlisle as long as the trade price is right.

 

[STK2020]

Hugh Goddard was a fluke. Cant expect a FPD of Carlisle's ability to slide to our second rounder.


It just isn't going to happen. We pick up Carlisle, keep #5 for a classy mid and the rebuild is fast tracked.

Also we have oodles of cash to spend. Can't see your reasoning after what everyone has pointed out except stubbornness to review your own position on Carlisle.

Give to the end of trade period and WE pass
on Carlisle I fully expect to see everyone's
change of opinion on his abilities.
Yep Stubborn

 

[From 45]

Give to the end of trade period and WE pass
on Carlisle I fully expect to see everyone's
change of opinion on his abilities.
Yep Stubborn

Pot.kettle.black

 

[Kilroy]

The issue is that Glass-McCasker (spell?) is the best of the rest after Weitering, Francis and Collins are gone and if it was a deep draft G-M would be lucky to be a rookie pick imo. It's not the draft to look for a def/ruck and M Brown isn't neccessarily the answer if available as a rookie.

The time is now and I'd happily get Carlisle as long as the trade price is right.

Sam Skinner, Michael Hartley and/or Ben McKay may be around for our third pick and arguably comparable or even better than Glass-McCasker.

Nick Coughlan maybe later and no slouch either.

 

[austinnn]

Could we consider shopping Webster & Wright for some picks ?
I like both of them but I don´t think we would get someone like Freeman without some early picks aquired
through trading a few "potential" players.

Webster??

Ahahaha! Sure buddy! Hahaha! Hoooohooohoo!

Hope Alan Richardson doesn't try eating breakfast and reading your thoughts. He may not survive for next season.

 

[Punter!]

Wright would be too much IMO. Collingwood won't be in a position to demand anything near his worth if Freeman decides to leave. 3rd rounder, or White/Siposs is all i would throw them

Well we won't land him them if that's what we're offering..

 

[Punter!]

Could we consider shopping Webster & Wright for some picks ?
I like both of them but I don´t think we would get someone like Freeman without some early picks aquired
through trading a few "potential" players.

Webster can kick, here to stay