List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Draft, Rookie Draft and FA Megathread

[Feerits Elf]

Why are we so sure he has stated he would choose to be traded to the Hawks rather than walk to St Kilda via PSD?

 

[Billy Connolly]

Can you show me the quote?

Never said it Dildoro said it

 

[Feerits Elf]

So Dodoro's verballing Carlisle now?

Bit slanderous isn't it?

 

[Verdun66]

Well that sounds positive .....but as I said..lets get away from Carlisle and discuss these three mids we are chasing ..
there are only half a dozen people on the board at this time so it will be our secret and you can always delete .. like brian does

love your avatar.....appropriate at the moment!

 

[RoundCubic]

Never said it Dildoro said it

Interestingly didn't say that from memory said I'm sure he would prefer the Hawks to the PSD so who knows

 

[saintbondy]

So Dodoro's verballing Carlisle now?

Bit slanderous isn't it?

That's what i'm figuring.. I know for sure I have seen nothing from jake other than the joint statement from stkfc and his manager.

People glazed over the gutter rag (news) and decided it was true I guess..

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Both are important for building a team to take you deep into finals.

2004: Milne, Gehrig, Hamill, Powell, Guerra, Black, Penny, Knobel best 22 (Murray, Stone)
2005: Milne, Gehrig, Hamill, Powell, Guerra, Ackland, Fiora best 22 (McGough, Penny, Brooks (for pick 6 plus steak knives!) Murray, Stone) - Penny would have been best 22 but for injury
2008: Milne, Schneider, Dempster, M Gardiner, King best 22 (Gehrig, Fiora, Birss, C Gardiner) - Gehrig would have been best 22 but for injury
2009: Milne, Schneider, Dempster, M Gardiner, Dawson, Ray, King best 22 (Begley)
2010: Milne, Schneider, Dempster, M Gardiner, Dawson, Ray, Peake best 22 (Pattison, King)

I'd rather trade in a bloke who'll help us win one flag than draft a bloke who wins 10 best-and-fairests.

Milne is one of ours ... We rookie listed him from Essendon reserves he played his first and last game for St Kilda...
The point I make about creating our own champion players are the core of our club yes traded in players help us and are important but not at the expense of us bringing in a future star from the draft

ill back us getting a star at pick 5 that in 2 years time will have us asking "Jake who?!?!"

 

[CursingFijian]

The one day I jump in the truck, this thread jumps a lazy 1300 posts excluding those moved out by the mods. Apologies if the following has already been wrote, but I skipped the last 300 posts to put this up.

As I see it. JC and Melksham both stated very early in the piece that they wouldn't walk to the PSD and I respect them for that, so I agree with Dave that option was never really on the table.

Jake Carlisle fits our premiership puzzle perfectly, bringing in high quality in a position where we expect to lose high quality in the short term.

Pick 5 is overs for Carlisle. When you look at the quality player that Pick 5 produces I don't really want to give that up. A hard nosed clearance specialist is not to be sneezed at in todays congested contested game. By logic you could say that a Matheison effectively reduces the overall stress that a defence has to endure.

The Hawks interest is sensational, but when you look a little closer it doesn't twinkle as much as you first thought. As others have rightly pointed out it would be a disastrous trade for North. And there will be more Hawks fringe players who are becoming more dissatisfied with this recruit from without philosophy.

But most importantly Dodoro has unknowingly created a moment of truth that works for us. If JC stands by the Saints every one of us will release those lingering doubts and welcome him to the fold. And if he chooses the glory we will also find it easier to throw him back in the shark pool.

We may not get Carlisle in the end. But the bombers won't get Matheison either.

 

[Strahany]

I believe there are two ways to interpret what Dodo-brains is saying:

• He is being completely truthful when he says the deal is with the Hawks, even if we offer pick 5
• He is continuing his immature, posturing ways and using Hawthorn to try to make us panic

If the first is true, then we need to make sure we 100% lock Carlisle down to coming to us, and not to Hawthorn. If the second is true, then Essendon can GAGF and deserve nothing on the trade table with such dirty tactics. Either way, they both spell out one thing; PSD.
We either force Carlisle to the PSD with a HUGE contract (to prevent him from defecting to Hawthorn), or we force him to the PSD to shove it up Dodidgeridildo for throwing tantrums like a three year old.

 

[Billy Connolly]

The one day I jump in the truck, this thread jumps a lazy 1300 posts excluding those moved out by the mods. Apologies if the following has already been wrote, but I skipped the last 300 posts to put this up.

As I see it. JC and Melksham both stated very early in the piece that they wouldn't walk to the PSD and I respect them for that, so I agree with Dave that option was never really on the table.

Jake Carlisle fits our premiership puzzle perfectly, bringing in high quality in a position where we expect to lose high quality in the short term.

Pick 5 is overs for Carlisle. When you look at the quality player that Pick 5 produces I don't really want to give that up. A hard nosed clearance specialist is not to be sneezed at in todays congested contested game. By logic you could say that a Matheison effectively reduces the overall stress that a defence has to endure.

The Hawks interest is sensational, but when you look a little closer it doesn't twinkle as much as you first thought. As others have rightly pointed out it would be a disastrous trade for North. And there will be more Hawks fringe players who are becoming more dissatisfied with this recruit from without philosophy.

But most importantly Dodoro has unknowingly created a moment of truth that works for us. If JC stands by the Saints every one of us will release those lingering doubts and welcome him to the fold. And if he chooses the glory we will also find it easier to throw him back in the shark pool.

We may not get Carlisle in the end. But the bombers won't get Matheison either.

they have pick 4

 

[Mat Mann]

A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

5 is overs, but it's a known quantity, it completes and complements our structure, at ~200cm, he is ready to go, and makes a big difference to our team tomorrow, not in 2-4 years.

On the other hand, we need elite midfielders, a few of them.
Does getting Carlisle leseen our chance of top 5 pick next year? I think not ( can't see GC being so bad again, and I'd expect Essendon to do better as well )
That will give us 6-9 yrs with our spine intact. So still a year or 2 in top 10 picks to come.

Tough choice imo, Dodo won't let us get away with anything less than 5 now, **** him.....

 

[Nutsngum]

Here is what confuses me about this all.

If North really ARE that into Anderson then whats stopping the Hawks from simply dealing with North individually and keeping one of pick 15 or 18 for themselves and telling Essendon to go shove it and accept their offer? Or North taking 15 and making an offer for Carlisle themselves?

Its a trade that seems to hurt North who could be pursuing a LOT of better players then Anderson with pick 15.

 

[saintscott]

Long time reader? Bro, you signed up this month.

you can read without having an account setup. I did for months

 

[CanadianSaint]

That's what i'm figuring.. I know for sure I have seen nothing from jake other than the joint statement from stkfc and his manager.

People glazed over the gutter rag (news) and decided it was true I guess..

This is similar to my take on events. Im on the other side of the world and slept through most of this, so when I got up this morning and saw the meltdown, I fast tracked looking for an official statement. Carlisle and his manger have reinforced there commitment to coming to St Kilda for next year and that is that. The offer may be true, and may remain on the table, but this is a Car salesmen move by the injectors. The equivalent would be GWS saying to Collingwood (regarding Trelour); "oh we have offers from St Kilda and the Tigers that are worth so much more, now jack up your price". The problem for the injectors is that regardless of the offer from the Hawks, as long as St Kilda up their offer (say a mid to late first round pick) they have done due diligence by all parties. Meaning Carlisle knows St Kilda is committed (there renumeration package is better) and Essendon have their first round pick and a poor position in mediation. Deal done...

Oh and proof that Carlisle has not lied and this is an Essendon sales tactic (and a lie itself) their statement that Carlisle has agreed to this trade has been refuted by his manager as he is "committed to getting to the Saints"... Nice bluff Dodo, but Im raising you... two fingers!

 

[Nutsngum]

Also if North coming through with this deal is the key then they can easily demand more remuneration from Hawthorn such as their second pick. If they dont agree then no pick 15 and no Carlisle to the Hawks.

 

[Feerits Elf]

JC and Melksham both stated very early in the piece that they wouldn't walk to the PSD

Where was this said?

 

[sauce_head]

A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

5 is overs, but it's a known quantity, it completes and complements our structure, at ~200cm, he is ready to go, and makes a big difference to our team tomorrow, not in 2-4 years.

On the other hand, we need elite midfielders, a few of them.
Does getting Carlisle leseen our chance of top 5 pick next year? I think not ( can't see GC being so bad again, and I'd expect Essendon to do better as well )
That will give us 6-9 yrs with our spine intact. So still a year or 2 in top 10 picks to come.

Tough choice imo, Dodo won't let us get away with anything less than 5 now, **** him.....

I get the feeling something has to give and I don't think it will be us. It'll have to be Carlisle or Essendon.

 

[Punter!]

The Carlisle saga is fascinating and I honestly can't wait to see how it unfolds. Hopefully pick 5......in the PSD!

Essendon and Dodildoro will look like spuds if Carlisle ends up at the saints after mediation and pick 5 isn't involved.

And if Carlisle ends up anywhere but Stkilda his reputation is shattered. Those words he spoke about coming to Stkilda will be replayed for years to come.

Interesting no one has mentioned how much Jake will earn at the hawks? Surely not $750k pa..

 

[Verdun66]

Another factor in what Essendon are doing is to stop the exodus of their players. So be as difficult to Carlisle as possible as a warning to others on their list contemplating bailing out. They perhaps realise they face a mass walk out. Look who they have lost in the last 2,3 years. And you would think others must want to do the same.

So, make their players think twice before they ask to be traded. Melksham got away with it for some reason, but they are playing hard ball with Carlisle.

 

[sverik25]

The main reason I'm so upset about today's news is that Carlisle will most likely end up at Hawthorn. Any other club and I would be fine with it.

We may have the best game in the world, but right now the showpiece competition is turning into rubbish.

 

[_Maximus_12]

If I were Bains, I'd be adding whatever amount we have next year to Carlisle's first year to ensure no club can match it and walk him to the PSD. **** Dodoro.

 

[Kildonan]

Dodoro has acted to remove the bargaining power of St Kilda FC by removing the threat of going to the draft. Hawthorn are being opportunistic but cannot act without Carlisle's say so. If St Kilda ignore all the theatrics from Essendon, the media representing them, and the clubs hovering like seagulls waiting for chips, then they will put together a fair package. The Hawthorn offer may well be off the table by then and the threat of the PSD will become a bargaining chip once more. I am glad the club are professional enough not to fall for Dodoro's bluff. I was disappointed at the headless chooks response by Saints fans in general on this forum.

I would like to make a special mention of the enormous amount of work the moderators have been forced to do during this draft period - the lion's share of that burden has been carried by Squizz (Thank you) and also Amitage2Riewoldt (Thank you too).

I would like to ask posters to help reduce the workload by:

• reporting a troll or offensive post (but have a thick enough skin to allow opposing views)
• do not quote the offending post (as we then have to delete your post as well)
• please try and refrain from swear filter evasion or using offensive images
• also thoughts of revenge raids of Essendon's list are fanciful at best - SKFC are professionals - we will simply omit Essendon from most future trade calculations (as should most other clubs).

 

[Nutsngum]

I still think there is truth to us using 5 in a package deal that will net a pick for Carlisle. Dodoro and Essendon being impatient, dont want to wait for other club's deals to fall into place and instead want to thrash around in the kiddy pool until they get what they want.

Tommorrow shall be an interesting time. Does anyone know if meeting still take place on the weekend?

 

[Sainter93]

Surely this is the most frustrating trade negotiation that St Kilda has ever been apart of.

Had to serve 2 Essendon fans at work tonight who know I support the Saints. For the sake of my job I had to keep my trap shut, wanted to ask why they support such a campaigner, morally bankrupt, pathetic, lying, scummy club.

 

[saber_32au]

I wonder if there is any truth in the rumour that Carlisle will be traded in a 3 way deal which will result in Carlisle moving to Hawthorn?
No idea if the deal is legit, or if it’s a BF rumour which has no basis?

I was reading the main thread in the drafting section today.
First, there was a rumour that Hawthorn were inserted, then bang! A 3 way trade has been organised in a blink in an eye.
Makes me a tad suspicious the rumour is nothing more than a rumour, but then again, the Lyon deal with Freo can out of the blue…

Guess we’ll have to see how this all plays out!