List Mgmt. 2015 Trade & Free Agency Hellscape Discussion Thread (PG546: Anderson PG732: Bastinac)

[Rooboy 96]

Jed Anderson is not worth our first round pick. Full Stop. Exclamation Mark! Some of you need to stop sniffing Mr Juicy's Anus. :stern look

come on Zondor the Anderson train is filling up and there are only a few empty seats.

 

[NMFCARSENAL98]

Highly reccomend watching this.
Inspiring stuff. Gotta say, I'm warming to idea of getting this kid to the Shinboners

 

[Rooboy 96]

It sounds like umpiring to me, a clusterf&^% of ridiculousness!

the fact you get the same points for 29 and 30 as you do for 12 is crazy, just watch when clubs get there heads around this and some of the crazy deals that will happen, I am amazed the Academy clubs aren't all over this and trading out the early picks for multiple second rounders.

 

[Deadeyeroo]

That thing where you risk your sanity in the trade thread and Show Ignored Content because you have to know who LuvtheKangas is calling a Stupid Muppet.





And then not being very surprised.

Another volunteer for the muppet show.

 

[The Maestro]

Gee we are gettibg desperate now. First round pick for a kid who cant get a game, albeit at hawthorn.

Hawks will be laughing offloading a reserves player for 15. If Anderson is worth 15, Bastinac is worth top 10.

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[kangaspurs]

This football club is downright IRRESPONSIBLE......Sacrificing our first round draft pick for an unproven player who has been in the system for 3 years is ridiculous....

Generally first round draft picks are reserved for proven talent.........

If Hawthorn want our first pick, I want more than just Anderson, otherwise we move onto the National Draft.

When we traded Gibson to the Dawks, we got their 2nd & 3rd (picks 25 & 41) round picks for our fourth selection (No. 69 - Taylor Duryea).
Mind you, he finished in our top 5 in the best & fairest in his final year at the club.

ANDERSON has only shown promise, and that's all........

Another example, the Hawks traded Josh Kennedy and Ben McGlynn to Sydney in exchange for picks 39 (Sam Grimley), 46 (Ben Stratton) and 70 (Matt Suckling, who got a rookie promotion).

Our football club needs to grow some BALLS, and get more for pick 15. ANDERSON on his own is worth a 3rd round selection at best.

This is a ridiculous argument, the kid we would draft has shown nothing but promise and are less proven than Anderson. Whereas Anderson has shown promise and has dominated games at VFL level while still only being 21. The points already been made, but if Anderson was in the draft he is exactly the type of player that we would draft at 15 anyway and we would be delighted to get him. It's just that with Anderson, he's already had a couple of years development at the best club in the league.

Forget the draft pick, we're effectively getting a jet who can make an immediate impact, offers everything we're lacking and will be a 10 year player in return for an 18 year old kid who may have a first three years that mirrors Brad McKenzie so far.

I have a couple of Hawthorn supporting mates who are very disappointed they are losing Anderson as they rate him that highly and it's clear this is mirrored on BF with many Hawthorn fans waxing lyrical about him. Almost all Hawthorn fans believe he will be an absolute gun and 15 may prove to be a bargain in the future.

 

[Roosurgence]

After watching some highlight videos of Jed, I can see why most Hawk supporters are disappointed to see him go.
Quick, hits the contest hard and tackles like Kayne Turner.
He comes across as a very humble, switched on kid too.
I am really warming to him now.

Can someone remind me what Kayne Turner cost?

Oh that's right Rookie Pick, yet for a similar player we are ready to cough up Pick 15 to help the Hawks land their fish?

Seems like madness, someone at Hawthorn must be a snake oil salesman and our list managers are drinking it up.

Unproven and injury prone, but rips it up in the VFL. Sounds like a sound investment.

Dumonts numbers are probably better in the VFL and I'm sure we wouldn't get a first rounder for him.

 

[Deadeyeroo]

It would be about time Hawthorn paid us back at the trade table.

And the pies too. We just keep getting bent over, who is doing these deals f****** Kermit.

 

[Roosurgence]

This is a ridiculous argument, the kid we would draft has shown nothing but promise and are less proven than Anderson. Whereas Anderson has shown promise and has dominated games at VFL level while still only being 21. The points already been made, but if Anderson was in the draft he is exactly the type of player that we would draft at 15 anyway and we would be delighted to get him. It's just that with Anderson, he's already had a couple of years development at the best club in the league.

Forget the draft pick, we're effectively getting a jet who can make an immediate impact, offers everything we're lacking and will be a 10 year player in return for an 18 year old kid who may have a first three years that mirrors Brad McKenzie so far.

I have a couple of Hawthorn supporting mates who are very disappointed they are losing Anderson as they rate him that highly and it's clear this is mirrored on BF with many Hawthorn fans waxing lyrical about him. Almost all Hawthorn fans believe he will be an absolute gun and 15 may prove to be a bargain in the future.

VFL form is not even worth talking about, we have guys in our best 22 that dominate in the VFL and I hardly see us getting first rounders for them.

Sounds like we are sick of missing out on targets so we will just overpay to get one in the door?

 

[Daz]

I'd rather not hand over pick 15 but if we end up with Jed we'll ****ing love him. The combination of Jed, Garner and Turner will end campaigners lives.

 

[Roosurgence]

I'd rather not hand over pick 15 but if we end up with Jed we'll ******* love him. The combination of Jed, Garner and Turner will end campaigners lives.

Werribee will loves us. There is no guarantees that he walks into our 22.

 

[kangaspurs]

Not true. If you look at how many players drafted in the top 20 over the last 10 years. Only about 10% of those players are not on an AFL list at the moment. I'd have to go through the drafts to say how many of those are regular players but I reckon it would be about 75%.

I'm not sure how those statistics - which I'm not even sure are accurate - are an indicator that any player we draft at 15 will make a more immediate impact than Anderson. Absolutely ridiculous that anyone would call this deal a disgrace. It may be very slightly overs, although if we receive a pick in return it's fair, but it's certainly not a disgrace; that would be trading out our first for a 27-30 year old, not a kid that has bucketloads of potential with the ability to immediately make our team better.

 

[nelroo]

This is a ridiculous argument, the kid we would draft has shown nothing but promise and are less proven than Anderson. Whereas Anderson has shown promise and has dominated games at VFL level while still only being 21. The points already been made, but if Anderson was in the draft he is exactly the type of player that we would draft at 15 anyway and we would be delighted to get him. It's just that with Anderson, he's already had a couple of years development at the best club in the league.

Forget the draft pick, we're effectively getting a jet who can make an immediate impact, offers everything we're lacking and will be a 10 year player in return for an 18 year old kid who may have a first three years that mirrors Brad McKenzie so far.

I have a couple of Hawthorn supporting mates who are very disappointed they are losing Anderson as they rate him that highly and it's clear this is mirrored on BF with many Hawthorn fans waxing lyrical about him. Almost all Hawthorn fans believe he will be an absolute gun and 15 may prove to be a bargain in the future.

Very well replied.

I read the post and laughed. So much wrong with it I didnt know where to start.

 

[Roosurgence]

I'm not sure how those statistics - which I'm not even sure are accurate - are an indicator that any player we draft at 15 will make a more immediate impact than Anderson. Absolutely ridiculous that anyone would call this deal a disgrace. It may be very slightly overs, although if we receive a pick in return it's fair, but it's certainly not a disgrace; that would be trading out our first for a 27-30 year old, not a kid that has bucketloads of potential with the ability to immediately make our team better.

On what evidence does he make our team better? Don't tell me VFL form because Bastinac is a gun in the VFL and he can't even get a game.

Over 3 years there is very little AFL form to even judge him on. But since he was injured and on the Hawks list he has suddenly turned into the answer.

Just because he is on Hawthorns list, it doesn't mean he is magically a gun.

 

[nelroo]

Can someone remind me what Kayne Turner cost?

Oh that's right Rookie Pick, yet for a similar player we are ready to cough up Pick 15 to help the Hawks land their fish?

Seems like madness, someone at Hawthorn must be a snake oil salesman and our list managers are drinking it up.

Unproven and injury prone, but rips it up in the VFL. Sounds like a sound investment.

Dumonts numbers are probably better in the VFL and I'm sure we wouldn't get a first rounder for him.

Another stupid post.

You do realise that an 18 year old drafted at pick 15 would be "unproven" too ?

 

[john198071]

last few years we havent traded our first three picks this year there willing anderson must be really special or we know from 16 your rolling the dice on average to z grade players

 

[True North]

On what evidence does he make our team better? Don't tell me VFL form because Bastinac is a gun in the VFL and he can't even get a game.

Over 3 years there is very little AFL form to even judge him on. But since he was injured and on the Hawks list he has suddenly turned into the answer.

Just because he is on Hawthorns list, it doesn't mean he is magically a gun.

When did Basti kick 6 sausage rolls in the magoo's?

 

[Rooboy 96]

I'm only in if we get 25 or two late second rounders as well

 

[Roosurgence]

Another stupid post.

You do realise that an 18 year old drafted at pick 15 would be "unproven" too ?

So by your logic clubs shouldn't draft anyone because they are unproven.

Better tell SOS to give us Pick 1 for Gibson, because Weitering is unproven.

What a stupid response. Anderson has been in the system for three years and is still a VFL player. When do clubs shell out first rounders on VFL players? Only at North because we have become desperate to get someone.

If Anderson was on our list Hawthorn would laugh at us if we asked for Pick 18.

 

[King Hansen]

Let's load up in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Trust Bryce to pick out the next Dumont, Brown or Turner.

 

[archereleven]

Rather amusing to see everyone fap over an injury prone, unproven player from a team who regularly bends us over at the trade table.

We should just be calling them the poos instead of poos an wees as they just keep shitting on us in the off season.

If Jed wasnt off the park more than on it, i could warm to a deal for him. 2nd rounder at the most for them campaigners.

 

[kangaspurs]

VFL form is not even worth talking about, we have guys in our best 22 that dominate in the VFL and I hardly see us getting first rounders for them.

Sounds like we are sick of missing out on targets so we will just overpay to get one in the door?

It's certainly worth talking about when a 21 year old outside mid is consistently kicking goals, earning rave reviews and was just about his teams best player in the VFL grand final.

Who? Basti? He's 24 with 100 AFL games and has shown himself to be massively inconsistent and a bit flakey. Nahas is late 20s and coming off the rookie list. Turner hasn't played to anywhere near Anderson in the VFL and nor has Garner (although Garner would definitely be worth a first rounder).

We're not overpaying; I think it likely that the club has their rankings of players in the draft this year and they rate Anderson higher than a majority of kids they are likely to pick up in the late first round. It also must be remembered that a large part of why he hasn't been selected (as described by Hawthorn fans in this thread) is because he's had injuries that have occurred at inopportune times as well as suffering a serious illness that affected him for over a year. He was also his states captain (as a bottom age I'm pretty sure) and was preselected by the GWS otherwise he likely would have been top 10 and that's why he's still worth a first rounder as a 21 year old.

If we had guys that had Anderson's skillset - quick, great tackler, good skills, kicks goals - performing to his level in the VFL they would have been picked this year. In fact, we picked Garner and Turner off poorer performances that that. With that considered, it's fairly easy to see how he makes us better next year: his skill set is one we are in desperate need of and he's been performing at a good enough level to be selected. It's really not hard to see how he improves us.

 

[Roosurgence]

Another stupid post.

You do realise that an 18 year old drafted at pick 15 would be "unproven" too ?

Let's give Pick 15 three years in the system and see if they can crack 10 AFL games.

Surely if they aren't in our best 22 we can always trade them to a club for a first rounder

 

[Deadeyeroo]

I'm not sure how those statistics - which I'm not even sure are accurate - are an indicator that any player we draft at 15 will make a more immediate impact than Anderson. Absolutely ridiculous that anyone would call this deal a disgrace. It may be very slightly overs, although if we receive a pick in return it's fair, but it's certainly not a disgrace; that would be trading out our first for a 27-30 year old, not a kid that has bucketloads of potential with the ability to immediately make our team better.

Those numbers are accurate, go through the drafts yourself from 2006 onwards.

It is a f****** disgrace that we'd even consider handing over a 1st round pick for him. Dont get me wrong he sounds like a nice kid and is a star in the VFL and I'd be happy for him to come over but for pick 15, no f****** way. Even if we get pick 41 who gives a shit, what use will that be in a supposed weak draft. I just dont get how people can say he would have an immediate impact when he was given a chance early in the year and couldn't hold a spot. GWS didnt want him now Hawthorn dont want him, and we're willing to give up a 1st round pick, incompetent.

 

[Rooboy 96]

When did Basti kick 6 sausage rolls in the magoo's?

Nahas kicked 7 only a few weeks ago. Basti got 42 touches a few weeks before that.

is Anderson going to be better then



he kicked 46 goals in one game for Endeavour Hills so legend has it.