2016 Draft Thread - The Rebuild Begins

[Deveraux]

Sorry to intrude on the beep test shenanigans but I actually haven't watched the draft before and was curious about how the whole bidding thing works.

My understanding is that if any club bids on someone elses academy prospect the draft organisers then directly ask the academy club, even if that club is still several picks away if they are going to match or not? If they do they get allocated that player for their next available pick. If not then that player goes to the original bidder.. correct?

 

[Lach72]

Sorry to intrude on the beep test shenanigans but I actually haven't watched the draft before and was curious about how the whole bidding thing works.

My understanding is that if any club bids on someone elses academy prospect the draft organisers then directly ask the academy club, even if that club is still several picks away if they are going to match or not? If they do they get allocated that player for their next available pick. If not then that player goes to the original bidder.. correct?

Not quite.
They need to use a pick/picks to the value of the bid that's been made.
That's one reason GWS kept trading upwards but also getting multiple later picks.
They can use pick 2 as Essendon are unlikely to bid on Setterfield.

They can then pick McGrath or McCluggage with pick 2, and when the bids start they use their multiple later picks to meet the bids

 

[mightymouse75]

Do they get a major advantage from the academy's or has the points system evened everything out ?

 

[Lach72]

Do they get a major advantage from the academy's or has the points system evened everything out ?

Yeah they do...they keep getting the best kids and trading the ones they don't want for points for the next batch.

Next year, apparently the best 4 talls are academy kids linked to the northern teams

 

[Lach72]

Yeah they do...they keep getting the best kids and trading the ones they don't want for points for the next batch.

Next year, apparently the best 4 talls are academy kids linked to the northern teams

So in essence they're getting a psuedo "try before you buy system"

They assess which one's are making the grade then trading them out and doing so easily because a former first round pick must have some talent there right?

 

[Deveraux]

Not quite.
They need to use a pick/picks to the value of the bid that's been made.
That's one reason GWS kept trading upwards but also getting multiple later picks.
They can use pick 2 as Essendon are unlikely to bid on Setterfield.

They can then pick McGrath or McCluggage with pick 2, and when the bids start they use their multiple later picks to meet the bids

Righto, thanks for explaining Lach.

So that's why some clubs seemed to collect those lower end picks to package them up to make up the difference?

 

[Taylor]

Do they get a major advantage from the academy's or has the points system evened everything out ?

The thing that evened it out for non academy clubs was that we used to be able to get academy first round picks for a collection of 2nd and 3rd round picks. They stopped that.

This year for example we could have traded pick #40 and next years second for pick #8 (as an example) which I believe is better than two later second round picks this season.

The academy clubs get a 20% discount on the point value so any illusion of them paying value drops off. Pick #2 is worth pick #4, pick #3 is worth #6 to an academy club and they can still use a bunch of later round picks to get those points.

If non academy clubs can't trade a bulk group of later round picks for a first like the academy clubs do when they use the points from multiple picks then it isn't a fair system.

 

[tofushark]

the discount needs to go, access to the player is advantage enough

 

[yyou]

I see that some of your posters are wanting to draft local kids instead of interstaters to avoid the "go home factor", but didn't this trade period show that you can retain the interstaters, while still attract your WA boys back home.
So if you draft interstaters, you just wait a couple of years & get the good WA boys back home as well.
(Joking)

 

[Paracleet]

We've already got Yarran. It would be a waste of a pick in the ND to take Ryan.

So by that logic we shouldn't pick any small or medium small forward in the forthcoming draft then.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Was keen on Ryan until I heard his beep results... Nope.

 

[mightydockers]

Was keen on Ryan until I heard his beep results... Nope.

Who cares about the beep test. Cyril Rioli got sub-10 in the beep test at draft camp IIRC. Look at him now.

Fitness is teachable - it should be one of the last factors recruiters consider for a small forward.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Who cares about the beep test. Cyril Rioli got sub-10 in the beep test at draft camp IIRC. Look at him now.

Fitness is teachable - it should be one of the last factors recruiters consider for a small forward.

Fitness shows dedication, in todays day and age it is a huge factor in whether a player is drafted or not. Colin Sylvia was talented but lazy, Ryan could be the same.

 

[One_Wing]

Fitness shows dedication, in todays day and age it is a huge factor in whether a player is drafted or not. Colin Sylvia was talented but lazy, Ryan could be the same.

Less then a year ago he was playing local footy in Geraldton. So from amature to semi professional and now to professional all in the space of a year. I think we can cut him a little slack if his fitness base isn't elite yet.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

The commando exam is 5km running wearing your pack, 5km running carrying a stretcher, 5km running with two 20kg jugs of water and one other I can't remember.

10.1 is the male applicant minimum for WAPOL.

Barrier test is a little more involved than that, but yeah there is a pack march (more like shuffle) from memory.

Not that it matters but I know a guy who passed barrier, and from memory he was running 2.4km in 7:22. So they are very fit guys.

So by that logic we shouldn't pick any small or medium small forward in the forthcoming draft then.

I'm saying take Ryan in the Rookie.

 

[meima]

Ok take liam ryan as rookie , but if he went to eagles so be it, i think eagles will add deluca and grey to their rookie list if freo dont want them . Two less skillful but hard player still better than lucas , only rookie place not going to cost them much.

 

[Cobbler]

Some people are just naturally predispositioned in a certain way. Liam Ryan is explosive and has short burst efforts in him. To train his endurance would be at the detriment of his explosiveness.

That said his beep wasn't even close to reasonable, but this is what you weigh up.

Now to recruit him and then ask him to work tirelessly on his endurance base would just be poor recruiting and management of players.

No one would recruit Shaquille O'Neal and ask him to work on his outside shooting.

Imagine if Australian Cricket asked Warne to get fit.

I'm all for 'buying in' etc but I think it's time to let guys just do what they do, especially if he's a late draft pick.

If Ryan is drafted and allowed to play inside 50m I can see him being damaging.
If he's drafted asked to apply heaps of pressure, stick to relentless zone defenses and constantly required to fold back... well he'll be lost to AFL before he even begins.

 

[meima]

Not even worry about liam ryan beep , if he drafted by freo he will nees to play for peel before his name even mention in the freo afl team . I still remember yarran nearly did not make it before he even started. Some of the postie even mention delisted him , including me because of some stupid incident.

 

[free at last]

Not quite.
They need to use a pick/picks to the value of the bid that's been made.
That's one reason GWS kept trading upwards but also getting multiple later picks.
They can use pick 2 as Essendon are unlikely to bid on Setterfield.

They can then pick McGrath or McCluggage with pick 2, and when the bids start they use their multiple later picks to meet the bids

When pick 7 comes around and SPS & English are both available,who do you hope we pick?

I'm still massively leaning towards SPS

 

[Wally Walpamur]

Get MDB and Gu into the club to take over as preseason running coaches

 

[Carnthedockers]

If ever a bloke can just look like a gun player, its Sps. He looks like a weapon, reminds me of the Wizz.

 

[Tbonefreo]

How old are you? 10.1 is the minimum requirement for commando entry into the ADF. It's nothing amazing but it's not a walk in the park and if you can stroll up pissed and rip out over 8.5 you're doing well. Some of the absolute best are 16-17 http://www.topendsports.com/testing/records/shuttle-run.htm

I call shenanigans.

How old are you? 10.1 is the minimum requirement for commando entry into the ADF. It's nothing amazing but it's not a walk in the park and if you can stroll up pissed and rip out over 8.5 you're doing well. Some of the absolute best are 16-17 http://www.topendsports.com/testing/records/shuttle-run.htm

I call shenanigans.

Lol good job

 

[Mr Peabody]

If ever a bloke can just look like a gun player, its Sps. He looks like a weapon, reminds me of the Wizz.

That sent me off reminiscing and how I laughed at 1:04 in the video below after the Wizz kicks a goal and the umpire gives him the thumbs up! Never seen that before. Just beautiful. The best goal but is the one at the end. Made my night. Thanks Carnthedockers.

 

[Mr Peabody]

I can't see Freo taking Liam Ryan and SPS unless Ryan gets through to us in the Rookie draft.

Does anyone remember what Lloyd said about what we'd do in the draft? From memory he seemed to suggest we'd take best available.

Lloyd said this morning that the trade outcomes have us reverting to best available but with an eye on needs too. My interpretation was best available with the early pick(s) and needs later but he didn't say so specifically.

 

[Wally Walpamur]

That sent me off reminiscing and how I laughed at 1:04 in the video below after the Wizz kicks a goal and the umpire gives him the thumbs up! Never seen that before. Just beautiful. The best goal but is the one at the end. Made my night. Thanks Carnthedockers.

Thank You!!!! Sir Jeffrey was the greatest wet toast troll. It should be club policy every goal in the derby is celebrated raising the arms staring at the opposition crowd.