List Mgmt. 2016 Draft, Trading and Free Agency Thread

[nurries]

Have a look at Sam in this video. He is not the same build as Sonny Walters. Sam is stronger in the body and the legs. And he is only 18.

Moves like Cyril a bit in traffic, not quite explosive but lateral movement

 

[PurpleEyes]

Did you even read my post? I don't think Redden is worth pick 17 on current form, so continuing to bring him up is pointless.

The fact that you feel the trade for Redden was a massive overpay, should also mean that a similar pick for Barlow is a massive over pay. Their stats are similar (see my link), and value should also be similar when allowing for the fact that Barlow slight better stats are offset by him being 3 years older.

Again, I do not think Redden (based on current form) is worth what we paid, nor do I think Barlow is worth what you are suggesting. I am not sure what the eagles traded for Redden has to do with the value of Barlow? Everyone would agree that the Redden trade so far has not provided value. And based on the stats provided and taking into account their age, I cant see how you can value Barlow substantially more than Redden.

But I digress, that's your opinion, and you are entitled to it, but I would not be holding hope that Barlow will return you anywhere near pick 17, or an early second rounder. The proof will be in the pudding.

The club should either sign him, or let him go where he wants for some nominal draft pick.

So if I understand this correctly ... you think my estimate for Barlow is unreasonable and what your team paid for Redden was unreasonable and from what I therefore deduce, Rosa for pick #31 was unreasonable.
... I think I now get it ... anything other than your opinion is unreasonable.

 

[purpleman]

In R13 vs PA, Barlow had 43 disposals. That was the equal 8th highest in the AFL for 2016. Even Matt Rosa was traded for pick#31 last year.
Once again, I notice the articles about Barlow are doing their best to present him as a washed up has been. Plenty of talk about him struggling with form and injuries ... no mention of him being in Freo's best 2 players in all of his last 5 full games of the season.

i hope you're right, in fact i hope we keep him as i rate him and we still need mature players to help out with the rebuild

 

[JohnW]

So if I understand this correctly ... you think my estimate for Barlow is unreasonable and what your team paid for Redden was unreasonable and from what I therefore deduce, Rosa for pick #31 was unreasonable.
... I think I now get it ... anything other than your opinion is unreasonable.

No I think what you suggested in relation to Barlow's trade value made no sense. And I am sure by the lack of support from the other dockers fans that they must agree.

You then brought up previous eagles trades as way of validating what you said, even though you consider those trades to be an overpay from the eagles point of view.

Let's just wait and see what the return is, if he is traded. or if you want to continue the back and forth, you can try to explain why Barlow's value is the same as Redden.

 

[Freeeoo]

Out of all the players touted as leaving, Barlow is the one that I would like to see stay. Sadly it looks like that won't be the case.

 

[marc81]

Essendon and gold Coast front runners for barlow.

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[rgauci]

I'd take pick 30. Does two things. Gives us more cap space to secure someone big next year. Wink wink nudge nudge. And opens more spots in the 22 for youngsters. Allow Blakeley to grow.

 

[Van_Dyke]

If Mickey B goes, his new club will become my 2nd team.


I see no negative for him staying. We still need contested ball winners.

 

[PurpleEyes]

No I think what you suggested in relation to Barlow's trade value made no sense. And I am sure by the lack of support from the other dockers fans that they must agree.

You then brought up previous eagles trades as way of validating what you said, even though you consider those trades to be an overpay from the eagles point of view.

Let's just wait and see what the return is, if he is traded. or if you want to continue the back and forth, you can try to explain why Barlow's value is the same as Redden.

Nowhere have I said that pick#17 was overs for Redden. Prior to making my original post about me believing Barlow was worth a late 1st or early 2nd pick, I went and did some research to look for recent similar trades. The first two I found were in the 2015 draft for Redden pick#17 and Rosa for pick#31. That was enough evidence for me to feel comfortably justified in posting my belief of a late 1st round/early 2nd round pick for Barlow. I also checked the stats for Barlow, Redden and Rosa to ensure that I was not being too Freo biased in my assessment of Barlow and my belief that he is a better player than those other two. Feeling justified I then made my post.

If you have a different opinion, then fine, but a dismissive response which states Barlow is worth only a token pick appears a little arrogant or at the very least ignorant to me. Not wanting to have too spell out all the details and logic that I used prior to making my educated post, I referred you to the Redden pick#17 as some justification for my Barlow late 1st pick/early 2nd pick worth. But, you then conveniently decided that your club paid overs for Redden, in order to support your argument. So far, the only valid point you have made is that Redden is 3 years younger ... which I was fully aware of. I had already taken that in to account. In any case, Rosa of similar age and lesser quality went for pick#31. Also, quality midfielders will play a few years longer than midfielders of lesser quality. I still believe Redden is a lesser quality midfielder, supported by many facts including ones such as in less career games Barlow has had 5 games with disposals higher than Redden's best game of 33 disposals. One of those Barlow game highs was a 43 disposal game only a couple of months ago.

So, either you provide me with examples of recent trades involving quality inside midfielders who have been traded for "a token pick" ... whatever that is, otherwise, I too can play the dismissive game and simply put you in the ... just another arrogant Eagles poster basket.

 

[pavslovechild]

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...d2=9&type=A&pid1=3131&pid2=3389&fid1=C&fid2=C

Pretty similar career stats, and Redden is 3 years younger.

Are either of them worth a 1st or 2nd rounder on current form...hell no.

Does Redden have time on his side, yes...well at least more so than Barlow.

Anyway not sure why you brought Redden up, But if you thought West Coast overpaid for him, then surely you can see the flaws in suggesting a similar pick for Barlow?

Except you guys traded a guy in to be best 22

 

[Deveraux]

Can you two give it a rest...

Would love Barlow to stay but if the best thing for the team (in my opinion, unlikely) is that he goes then it would be nice to get a 2nd rounder for him.

A club currently in 'the window' would see worth in that I think.

 

[JohnW]

In your opinion was that an over pay?

For Redden? Absolutely, but you're insane if you're including Barlow in the same breath as Redden

I thought you posted this, sorry. But did you "like" it is disagreement?

I am not suggesting Barlow is worth a token pick, I was pointing out that if freo don't value him enough to give him a contract, then it is unlikely that any other club will trade a late first or early second for him. And that after his time at the club the owe him a level of respect to just trade him where ever he wishes to go (for some token pick).

Keep in mind this is only being discussed because Freo have chosen not to contract him! I actually rate him and think he has value but his age/injuries offsets some of that.

After his time at the club, and the fact that he is out of contract, I feel they should trade him where ever he decides.

In the interest of not derailing the thread we can agree to disagree.

 

[ChimpaWompa]

I'll light a candle for you Barlow

 

[TheMcManusNose]

GC makes too much sense for Barlow.

They'll have picks galore after the Prestia/O'Meara trades, and will need someone with experience in the middle with those two gone plus Ablett older and Rischitelli's ACL popped. Plus you couldn't really ask for a better role model.

And we'd be a chance to snag a higher pick given they'll have so many and the trade back for academy points loophole is half closed.

 

[JohnW]

Except you guys traded a guy in to be best 22

It's hard to break into a finals side

 

[apuchar]

SPS wants to go play in Melbourne (a mate of mine knows him).

Yes I heard he would like to experience playing footy in Melbourne. Wouldn't stop Freo recruiting him though, I wouldn't think. Haz said the same thing in his draft year

 

[hoss]

He's said himself on 6pr apparently

Not getting a contract

I haven't read the whole thread but I thought you said Twitter? Did he say it on Twitter and the radio? Surprising.

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[salim malik]

It's hard to break into a finals side

Its hard to break into any side if you're shit

 

[Clems Knee]

we can agree to disagree.

I would just like to say that every time I see a poster writing these words, I read them as "I lost the argument, I have no points left after you've dismantled them all, but I refuse to back down and admit I was wrong so I'll just write this glib statement."
In real life; probably unfair, but on a discussion board where you've joined the discussion on another team's board, I reckon it's spot on, every time.

 

[Clems Knee]

SPS wants to go play in Melbourne (a mate of mine knows him).

Did he say he wants to play in Brisbane?

 

[hoss]

Barlow is still a class player. In his last 5 full games for Freo (Rounds 10-14, averaged 29.4 disposals per game) he was listed in the match reports as Freo's best twice and 2nd best 3 times.
It does seem to appear that Freo want to use him as trade bait ... which I hate ... Freo are a much better side with him in the starting 22.
Freo's midfield has been a major key to our success in recent years (2013-2015).
I still see Fyfe, Neale, Mundy & Barlow as elite midfielders, classes ahead of Freo's next best inside contested possession midfielders. Connor Blakely arguably shows the most promise, but he is still a fair distance behind those four listed above.

If Barlow does get traded, then Freo need to be rewarded with a late 1st round pick or very early 2nd round pick. Anything less is (for me) an obvious loss by Freo.

This. Couldn't believe how more effective the young guys and Neale were with Barlow in there. Crying out for some leadership.

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[Cobbler]

Barlow to GC makes sense to everyone but if another team like Essendon go all cray cray and offer pick 19 and 3 years in Victoria, well then we have ourselves a good old fashioned bidding war!

For what it's worth I think he'll go to GC with pretty much guaranteed game time and for pick 27 at worst.

 

[hoss]

As others have mentioned, Barlow is a one trick pony as an inside mid.

How many inside Mids do we need? If we were challenging for a flag, Blakely wouldn't have gotten as many games and we would have seen more of Barlow.

We won't be challenging for the flag next year either, so we will put even more time into blakely who should be cherry ripe in 2-3 years. If only Barlow could do some effective work elsewhere on the ground, he'd already have his contract renewed methinks. It's better for barlow to go where he can get a game, also giving us some picks to let us build a better team while he has currency, otherwise we will be spending a lot of coin for Peel's benefit

You conveniently forgot to mention that we don't have a inside mid with a defensive side to their game as yet.

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[Arcassius]

You just finished near the bottom of the ladder, no one you guys choose not to keep will have any currency.

I can see where such an uneducated view originates.

Just because a team performs poorly, doesn't mean the players have suddenly lost value. To illustrate my point - lets look back at 2012/2013 where GWS won the wooden spoon twice. By your logic, none of their players had currency as they finished bottom of the ladder. Crazy view when you look at it that way right?

Regarding Barlow over the last 2 seasons - he's been mostly played either out of position as a half forward, or been out of the team to facilitate the development of our kids. Whenever he's played in his original role with as as a midfield accumulator, he's been great. Any recruiter would recognise this, and look past our ladder position to assess the value of our players. The teams that would value him the most are those that are closer to premiership contention and need more class.

Whether he's worth a round 1 or 2 pick is contentious - but his value isn't related to our ladder position.

 

[Arcassius]

I don't think Redden is worth pick 17 on current form, so continuing to bring him up is pointless

Whether he's worth pick 17 on current form is irrelevant. What is relevant is what WCE were prepared to pay, and what Brisbane valued him at, at the time of the trade. Which is obviously pick 17.

If either club felt there was any inequity in the deal, they'd have traded late picks to even it up, or found another way to balance out value.