Bring in B.Hill, McCarthy, Hamling and Kersten with Bennell and Fyfe back and the team looks VERY different to what it did this year....
-
AFLW 2024 - Round 10 - Chat, game threads, injury lists, team lineups and more.
List Mgmt. 2016 Post Season Draft, Trading & Free Agency
- Thread starter Allikat
- Start date
- Tagged users None
- Status
If true, we seem to be targeting 21-24 year olds this year, assuming the 1-3rd years on our list come on, and we are competing for a top 4 in 4 years time, these guys will be playing in their prime by then.
Plus A Pearce
MJ?
Spot on mate. We'd have to rely on Essendon and Brisbane not taking him, though likely given an ill family member is involved, both those clubs need defenders so there is an element of risk involved.
Cheers. You describe him a fair bit like Dawson (light frame and likely to stay that way, long arms good for a spoil or intercept the play) but with the ability to kick unlike Dawson. Would love him to replace Dawson in our side and combine with Alex Pearce and Collins going forward. MJ is nearly done, Dawson not up to the modern game. If a deal for Hamling is done it could mean uncertainty for Silvagni though. Always rated SNOS above Dawson but RTB wasn't giving him many chances or he was injured when Dawson was until this year when he really played well for us in the second half. Silvagni can rebound way way better than Dawson (although not MJ level) and is stronger against the big bodied forwards like Hawkins. Wonder if you would be interested in getting Silvagni as part of that deal - would give you a very experienced KPD replacement ready to go for 2017 with Adams coming back from injury and Morris getting on a bit.
Am I missing something with Hamling? Another back man who can't kick? Not exactly what we are after.. Prefer to keep the pick.
- Feb 17, 2016
- 3,227
- 6,744
- AFL Club
- Fremantle
age upgrade on silvagni
Really
Kept Kennedy quiet in an elimination final and Buddy quiet in a GF
Can't ask for much more than that to be honest. Screw his kicking
Both those forwards kicked massive bags on us this year. We had no one that could do it
My thoughts exactly.
I'm not pretending to know better, but we need backmen who distribute the ball. Dawson is a lock down who can't kick.. or Collins..
- May 16, 2014
- 12,163
- 15,984
- AFL Club
- Carlton
Hey guys, I like looking at other teams lists this time of year so hope I'm welcome here to provide my thoughts
I've done a (very rough) mock-up of what I think Freos list could look like in 2016. I've gone for a big 'clean-out', so the confirmed delistings/retirements already (6 senior, 4 rookie) plus Mayne, Barlow, Ballantyne and Suban out gives 10 spots to fill.
I did an estimate of possible trades:
Chris Mayne (FA) – pick 23
Michael Barlow (trade) – pick 28 - GC
Hayden Ballantyne (trade) – pick 49
Nick Suban (trade) – pick 60
In:
Pick 40 for Hamling
Pick 23 for Hill
Future 2nd rounder for McCarthy
Not sure on the details but that's an outsiders perspective.
So in I think will be Hamling, Hill and McCarthy, plus picks 3, 28, 49, 58, 60ish. This leaves two spots to fill - I've heard good things about Uebergang so maybe rookie elevate him with pick 76 (can't see it being used as a proper pick) and pick up a delisted FA?
Here's what I think your team would look like in round 1 2017:
(Age, games played total, games played for Fremantle in 2016)
B: Lee Spurr (29, 104, 22), Joel Hamling (23, 23, 0), Garrick Ibbotson (28, 167, 16)
HB: Tom Sheridan (23, 59, 21), Alex Pearce (21, 21, 8), Cam Sutcliffe (24, 87, 19)
C: Brad Hill (23, 95, 0), Nat Fyfe (25, 117, 5), Stephen Hill (26, 172, 21)
HF: Michael Walters (25, 94, 22), Michael Apeness (21, 7, 5), Harley Bennell (24, 81, 0)
F: Cam McCarthy (21, 21, 0), Matt Taberner (23, 45, 17), Shane Yarran (27, 6, 6)
Foll: Aaron Sandilands (33, 244, 5), David Mundy (31, 251, 18), Lachie Neale (23, 92, 22)
Bench: Lachie Weller (20, 25, 22), Hayden Crozier (22, 50, 16), Connor Blakeley (20, 16, 15), Harley Balic (19, 0, 0)
Good depth: Sam Collins (22, 12, 12), Jon Griffin (30, 90, 13), Ethan Hughes (21, 6, 5), Darcy Tucker (19, 12, 12), Ed Langdon (20, 15, 13), Zac Clarke (26, 101, 13), Michael Johnson (32, 209, 4)
Picks, 3, 27, 49, 58, 60
Two more spots to fill
List-clogging: Zac Dawson (30, 164, 18), Danyle Pearce (30, 248, 22), Alex Silvagni (29, 53, 5)
I'm definitely harsh on Dawson, Pearce and Silvagni but I think they will be only saved in 2017 because 10 is a lot of spots to fill, and I don't think Dawson/Silvagni will be preferred over Pearce/Collins/Hamling, and Pearce not over Hill x2/Walters/Bennell, so at 30+ they can be considered to be list clogging (think that's a reasonable definition).
Johnson and Griffin have a lot to offer still I think but only on an injury basis. Keep them for leadership/experience/back-up but I think they'll get games when necessary, rather than be best 22.
My most interesting take from this is if this were how you lined up in round 1, the 'average games played for Freo in 2016' would only be 15.75 games. That's pretty low, indicates there's significant possibility of jumping up the ladder with additions of Fyfe, Sandilands, B.Hill, McCarthy, Bennell, Balic (9 games) and additional improvement of Pearce, Yarran, Blakeley, Apeness (34 games).
The average age of the side right now (not at the start of 2017) would be about 24.5 which is also pretty young.
Looking further down the track, Sandilands, Mundy as well as the depth guys (Johnson, Griffin, Dawson, Pearce, Silvagni) are the only likely retirements, with Spurr also pushing on in age. I think looking at your list of depth players, Clarke could come in for Sandi, there's a few mids to come in for Mundy and the depth is there for defenders (Collins in for Dawson/Silvagni) and outside mids (Hills x2, Bennell, Weller for Pearce).
So have at it - what do you guys think of that best 22? Does Johnson still have a place in the side? Are the guys named as such actually list cloggers or do you think there's value? If it's close enough, where do you see the gaps in your list? How would you fix up the two missing spots - maybe take 2 later picks instead of pick 28 for Barlow? Is there better value for the trades? Do you agree with my assessment that the addition of new players as well as injured players returning potentially could see a return to the top 8 for Freo in 2017 or do you expect Lyon to go full rebuild? And what would you do about the Sandilands situation - a big loss after 2017 I expect.
I've done a (very rough) mock-up of what I think Freos list could look like in 2016. I've gone for a big 'clean-out', so the confirmed delistings/retirements already (6 senior, 4 rookie) plus Mayne, Barlow, Ballantyne and Suban out gives 10 spots to fill.
I did an estimate of possible trades:
Chris Mayne (FA) – pick 23
Michael Barlow (trade) – pick 28 - GC
Hayden Ballantyne (trade) – pick 49
Nick Suban (trade) – pick 60
In:
Pick 40 for Hamling
Pick 23 for Hill
Future 2nd rounder for McCarthy
Not sure on the details but that's an outsiders perspective.
So in I think will be Hamling, Hill and McCarthy, plus picks 3, 28, 49, 58, 60ish. This leaves two spots to fill - I've heard good things about Uebergang so maybe rookie elevate him with pick 76 (can't see it being used as a proper pick) and pick up a delisted FA?
Here's what I think your team would look like in round 1 2017:
(Age, games played total, games played for Fremantle in 2016)
B: Lee Spurr (29, 104, 22), Joel Hamling (23, 23, 0), Garrick Ibbotson (28, 167, 16)
HB: Tom Sheridan (23, 59, 21), Alex Pearce (21, 21, 8), Cam Sutcliffe (24, 87, 19)
C: Brad Hill (23, 95, 0), Nat Fyfe (25, 117, 5), Stephen Hill (26, 172, 21)
HF: Michael Walters (25, 94, 22), Michael Apeness (21, 7, 5), Harley Bennell (24, 81, 0)
F: Cam McCarthy (21, 21, 0), Matt Taberner (23, 45, 17), Shane Yarran (27, 6, 6)
Foll: Aaron Sandilands (33, 244, 5), David Mundy (31, 251, 18), Lachie Neale (23, 92, 22)
Bench: Lachie Weller (20, 25, 22), Hayden Crozier (22, 50, 16), Connor Blakeley (20, 16, 15), Harley Balic (19, 0, 0)
Good depth: Sam Collins (22, 12, 12), Jon Griffin (30, 90, 13), Ethan Hughes (21, 6, 5), Darcy Tucker (19, 12, 12), Ed Langdon (20, 15, 13), Zac Clarke (26, 101, 13), Michael Johnson (32, 209, 4)
Picks, 3, 27, 49, 58, 60
Two more spots to fill
List-clogging: Zac Dawson (30, 164, 18), Danyle Pearce (30, 248, 22), Alex Silvagni (29, 53, 5)
I'm definitely harsh on Dawson, Pearce and Silvagni but I think they will be only saved in 2017 because 10 is a lot of spots to fill, and I don't think Dawson/Silvagni will be preferred over Pearce/Collins/Hamling, and Pearce not over Hill x2/Walters/Bennell, so at 30+ they can be considered to be list clogging (think that's a reasonable definition).
Johnson and Griffin have a lot to offer still I think but only on an injury basis. Keep them for leadership/experience/back-up but I think they'll get games when necessary, rather than be best 22.
My most interesting take from this is if this were how you lined up in round 1, the 'average games played for Freo in 2016' would only be 15.75 games. That's pretty low, indicates there's significant possibility of jumping up the ladder with additions of Fyfe, Sandilands, B.Hill, McCarthy, Bennell, Balic (9 games) and additional improvement of Pearce, Yarran, Blakeley, Apeness (34 games).
The average age of the side right now (not at the start of 2017) would be about 24.5 which is also pretty young.
Looking further down the track, Sandilands, Mundy as well as the depth guys (Johnson, Griffin, Dawson, Pearce, Silvagni) are the only likely retirements, with Spurr also pushing on in age. I think looking at your list of depth players, Clarke could come in for Sandi, there's a few mids to come in for Mundy and the depth is there for defenders (Collins in for Dawson/Silvagni) and outside mids (Hills x2, Bennell, Weller for Pearce).
So have at it - what do you guys think of that best 22? Does Johnson still have a place in the side? Are the guys named as such actually list cloggers or do you think there's value? If it's close enough, where do you see the gaps in your list? How would you fix up the two missing spots - maybe take 2 later picks instead of pick 28 for Barlow? Is there better value for the trades? Do you agree with my assessment that the addition of new players as well as injured players returning potentially could see a return to the top 8 for Freo in 2017 or do you expect Lyon to go full rebuild? And what would you do about the Sandilands situation - a big loss after 2017 I expect.
- Feb 17, 2016
- 3,227
- 6,744
- AFL Club
- Fremantle
Good stuff man, I'd have ed and tucker on the bench weller and croz on the field and sutcliffe and sheridan in the depth. Also Kersten is an almost certainty
Astute analysis. The only thing I'd add is the possibility of getting Kersten, who would also add to our fwd line - not sure who'd get pushed out.
- May 27, 2013
- 2,211
- 5,943
- AFL Club
- Fremantle
Just as devils advocate here, Buddy was clearly struggling with that rolled ankle so Hamling's performance needs to be taken with a grain of salt
Plus we do already have SOS, who has shut down buddy in games in the past. Is Hamling perhaps a younger version of SOS?
- May 16, 2014
- 12,163
- 15,984
- AFL Club
- Carlton
Beat Kennedy in the EF and I asked the Dogs fans on the D&T board and apparently he had Cameron mostly for the prelim who did nothing, so it's more than just the Buddy factor.
Think he did well in the finals plus had some good form leading into it.
Probably Taberner, McCarthy and Kersten fighting for 2 spots? I reckon Apeness is the big brute who should get games to develop him and to clear a path even if not kicking bags, the others are more 2nd-in-commands. I would think with Lyons ethos that it'd be the 2 that can do both forward and defend the transition/rebounding of opposition teams the best.
I'm not sure about Hughes and Tucker position wise? Do Crozier and Weller go to the backline/wing and Hughes/Tucker 2nd tier mids, or would Crozier/Weller be the 2nd tier mids and Hughes/Tucker backline/wing?
Cheers guys.
- Feb 17, 2016
- 3,227
- 6,744
- AFL Club
- Fremantle
Croz and Weller are my tips for attacking defenders, Hughes is more the intercept role, Tucker second tier mid/attacking defender
So I think people are waaaaaaaay to fussy on here. We are a team that finished down the bottom of the ladder and have a shit load of ageing players.
Need to do something
Wally Walpamur
Norm Smith Medallist
- Sep 23, 2016
- 6,150
- 11,930
- AFL Club
- Fremantle
I'd assume a fully fit Johnson would be in there in Ibbo's place. Sheridan, Sutcliffe, Crozier, Hughes and Ibbo fighting for two spots in the backline. Other than that, looks pretty close to how we'll line up. If Spurr played like he did this year, his spot isn't as secure as it once was.
- Status
