List Mgmt. 2016 Trade, Draft and free agency news (no hypothetical trades)

[dipper86]

So you are saying Breust is worth JOM and another very good player but that doesn't make him good enough for Hawthorn?

Its not that it doesn't make him good enough for Hawthorn, its about what another team is willing to pay and what we do with said compensation.
Personally I think netting a Prestia/JOM type with another very good player outweighs the loss of breust.

 

[dipper86]

2 first rounders? I read Pick 4.......somewhere.

I was told 2 first rounders, either way everyone has an amazing story...don't know what to believe.

 

[Great 2008]

I was told 2 first rounders, either way everyone has an amazing story...don't know what to believe.

I definitely read pick 4 from GWS. 2 first rounders is very interesting (and the same result - no thanks from the HFC ).

 

[dipper86]

I definitely read pick 4 from GWS. 2 first rounders is very interesting (and the same result - no thanks from the HFC ).

That was two years ago......2 years is a long time in footy, priorities and list management changes. rebuilds, mini rebuilds vs being bang smack in a Premiership window.

 

[Great 2008]

That was two years ago......2 years is a long time in footy, priorities and list management changes. rebuilds, mini rebuilds vs being bang smack in a Premiership window.

True (would have been a nuts trade smack bang in the middle of the window).

 

[Gralin]

That was two years ago......2 years is a long time in footy, priorities and list management changes. rebuilds, mini rebuilds vs being bang smack in a Premiership window.

Don't see GWS giving up picks for players so much as trading out players for picks to be honest

 

[dipper86]

Don't see GWS giving up picks for players so much as trading out players for picks to be honest

All we know is that they have attempted in the past....maybe not now with all their Academy picks and the need for draft picks.
All i was stating is that if the price is right....Breust IMO is tradeable. Seeing as this a dart throwing thread, I thought it was appropriate.

 

[Gralin]

All we know is that they have attempted in the past....maybe not now with all their Academy picks and the need for draft picks.

I'm interested to see if there is any tweaking of the academy bidding rules/draft pick points system this year. It allowed some very strange behavior from the clubs

 

[dipper86]

I'm interested to see if there is any tweaking of the academy bidding rules/draft pick points system this year. It allowed some very strange behavior from the clubs

Its an absolute rort what they have been given, the talent on ones list is incomprehensible.
The sad part of this is that its never ending. They have so much to play with that it will be nothing short of a revolving door of talent for many years to come.

 

[jegsteam]

I'd like to see us go for another raid of Adelaide. Brad Crouch out of contract at year end or possibly try to lure Matt Crouch.

Neither getting managed well by the club, time to get in their manager's ear.

Both young and have shown they can be clearance kings when fit.

 

[Gralin]

I'd like to see us go for another raid of Adelaide. Brad Crouch out of contract at year end or possibly try to lure Matt Crouch.

Neither getting managed well by the club, time to get in their manager's ear.

Both young and have shown they can be clearance kings when fit.

Why not both?

 

[jegsteam]

Why not both?

 

[Steven Tyler]

I'll come at you. I'm bored and I need some love.

If the price is right, I'd trade him out. By price..... I mean what GWS apparently offered up for him a couple of seasons back, 2 first round rounders.
With that you'd be able to net JOM and another very good player. A 2 for 1 price deal.
Personally I don't think Breust will find his way into a permanent midfield role, that is the elite midfielder we crave, yes he is a 50 a year goal kicker with an elite midfield in front of him, once that well dries up, will his output decrease....I have my money on yes. If Hodge Burgoyne and Mitchell are not replaced with elite quality, then we are up for a world of pain.

Breust is more valuable to us now than he was when GWS offered us pick 4 at the death of trade week 2 years ago

As pointed out it wasn't 2 first rounders, just pick 4

Poppy has 2 years max left

We don't need Breust to become a midfielder, and we cannot afford to lose him from our forward line which has become less powerful as it is (obvious reasons)

Adding midfield class is paramount but not at the expense of one of our best mid-20's players

 

[Boo71]

Breust is more valuable to us now than he was when GWS offered us pick 4 at the death of trade week 2 years ago

As pointed out it wasn't 2 first rounders, just pick 4

Poppy has 2 years max left

We don't need Breust to become a midfielder, and we cannot afford to lose him from our forward line which has become less powerful as it is (obvious reasons)

Adding midfield class is paramount but not at the expense of one of our best mid-20's players

Trade Gunston then, simple.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

Redpath would be a good fit - if we see enough upside. I don't think the dogs have enough salary cap space to keep him (for someone who's not in there best 22) if we went hard - they've got Boyd, crameri, stringer plus all their young mids.

If we could get red path, crouch, Hurley FA and either draft or trade a quality mid or two we'd have killed it.

I'd say hill, lithers, maybe Sicily, Breust, BB, TOB/Shoey could be potential currency.

I'm not sold on JOM - our success has been based on 'team' rather than individual brilliance (although we've had a lot of guns) - for what we have to give up and risks around knee we'd be better off using picks on some young mids.

2013 prelim Burgoyne and mitch heroics in the 4th quarter

2014 prelim hodge tackle late in the game

2015 GF hodge goal

2014 GF Roughy tackle Hodge intercept

Just little moments of individual brilliance from team orientated players. My point is, it's generally the guns that have provided us with moments that have inspired lesser likes to walk taller.

 

[tommyk72]

Would you trade Breust for Hodge?

Silly question, and I personally am in the Breust fan-camp, however remember how much we all hated trading Croad (younger player, I know), but damn that paid off in spades in the long run.

 

[Mitchell54]

Trent Croad

We all remember how that turned out... Mitchell & Hodge say hi.

 

[PhatHQ]

Everyone, the HFC told a certain club to GGF when they offered pick 4 in a recent trade period for Breust. What does that tell you? #BreustBratva

It should have been pick 4 & next years first

 

[cryptor]

Would you trade Breust for Hodge?

Silly question, and I personally am in the Breust fan-camp, however remember how much we all hated trading Croad (younger player, I know), but damn that paid off in spades in the long run.

Could have easily not though. Imagine we got Ball instead! And there's no clear indication that there is a player who could match Hodgey's career impact in this draft - or many other drafts for that matter.

At least we know what we get with Breust. A clever, sharpshooting small-medium forward who can kick 50-odd goals a year. Who most importantly has a good head on his shoulders and will never (touch wood!) end up in the news for the wrong reasons. A great talent and is part of what makes our club culture strong.

 

[tige19]

I get a feeling we are going to have to part with some real quality either way to get a JOM/Neale/Prestia type. All the noise is suggesting it'll be JOM that we go hard at, we will have to offer something better than the picks we have so parting ways a very good player might have to get it done.

I'm not sure id want to consuder Punky, I'm not sure who id be willing to part with. If anyone it'd be Brad Hill, I don't know anyone else id want to consider losing.

 

[Davo23]

Could have easily not though. Imagine we got Ball instead! And there's no clear indication that there is a player who could match Hodgey's career impact in this draft - or many other drafts for that matter.

At least we know what we get with Breust. A clever, sharpshooting small-medium forward who can kick 50-odd goals a year. Who most importantly has a good head on his shoulders and will never (touch wood!) end up in the news for the wrong reasons. A great talent and is part of what makes our club culture strong.

The other thing with the Trent Croad trade is that Croad was going nowhere in this club. He seemed more interested in his red BMW and the investment properties, and was doing nothing on the ground, except turning the ball over.

But his reputation was as a gun, young champion forward, with a huge future, so he was perfect for a new club like Fremantle.

I wasn't happy at the time, but he did SFA at Freo, and turned it around later to be a valuable backman for us. And we got lucky with Hodge & Mitch.

You can't do trades like that any more!

 

[Fluro Boots]

I remember when Clarko and team arrived they thought that picks were undervalued and as such we stocked up on them and did quite well. Then it seemed to swing the other way and again we did well with Hale, Burgoyne, Gibson etc. I'm no Warren Buffett but to me picks are somewhat undervalued again with the points system helping. The northern sides with academies deal in points not picks. This provides options to move up the draft. Future trading of picks may entice sides into trades they'd otherwise bail out of. There is an opportunity to play the market as it were especially when the relative strengths of drafts are somewhat known a couple of years out. In this environment i'd back our club in to make some shrewd deals that are low key at the time but with potential huge benefits long term. Who knows, Anderson-Burton may well have been the first of these.

 

[cryptor]

I remember when Clarko and team arrived they thought that picks were undervalued and as such we stocked up on them and did quite well. Then it seemed to swing the other way and again we did well with Hale, Burgoyne, Gibson etc. I'm no Warren Buffett but to me picks are somewhat undervalued again with the points system helping. The northern sides with academies deal in points not picks. This provides options to move up the draft. Future trading of picks may entice sides into trades they'd otherwise bail out of. There is an opportunity to play the market as it were especially when the relative strengths of drafts are somewhat known a couple of years out. In this environment i'd back our club in to make some shrewd deals that are low key at the time but with potential huge benefits long term. Who knows, Anderson-Burton may well have been the first of these.

I think Graham Wright said in an interview recently that there is a really strong bunch of talent coming through in next years draft. Wouldn't mind seeing us trying to stock up on good picks in preparation for that draft. Because if there's anything more undervalued than draft picks right now it's the following years draft picks which some clubs presently treat like a credit card.

 

[Fluro Boots]

Because if there's anything more undervalued than draft picks right now it's the following years draft picks which some clubs presently treat like a credit card.

yeah thats the way i see it. All of sudden 4 teams first rounders are on the table where they probably wouldn't have been before the academy bidding system. With futures now available to be traded there's so many picks in the market there just has to be bargains there for the astute list manager.

 

[tommyk72]

The other thing with the Trent Croad trade is that Croad was going nowhere in this club. He seemed more interested in his red BMW and the investment properties, and was doing nothing on the ground, except turning the ball over.

But his reputation was as a gun, young champion forward, with a huge future, so he was perfect for a new club like Fremantle.

I wasn't happy at the time, but he did SFA at Freo, and turned it around later to be a valuable backman for us. And we got lucky with Hodge & Mitch.

You can't do trades like that any more!

This is what makes trading for established players a lot better option for me. I'd be prepared to pay slight overs for a well established excellent talent. As good as drafting science is these day, it can still be a lottery.