List Mgmt. 2016 Trade/Free Agency Part 3

[RichoAtzyG]

youre delusional if u think they wont drop off in coming years

If hawthorn, geelong and sydney don't drop off soon and clubs like richmond, collingwood and carlton continue at the bottom, the system is flawed.

 

[TigermanM2]

You have to wonder why Vickery is, all of a sudden going to become great tap ruckman, who goes forward and kicks goals.
At RFC,

• he was lazy,
• looked disinterested most of the time,
• caught out of position a lot,
• gave no physical presence, bar in one game against WCE, and even then was so distraught he spent most of the second half on the bench,
• Applied zero defensive pressure
• Showed no leadership qualities

I tried really hard to like TV, but in the end he made it impossible. Good luck to him, but I can't see him suddenly improving out of sight. Hawthorn get a lot right, but I think this will be a decision that they will end up regretting.
I know some will think this is harsh and spout statistics, but sometimes stats lie!

Hawks will want him more as a forward than a Ruckman. He probably doesn't even need to improve out of sight to have an impact. Hawks would think they have enough skill, on field leadership, and game plan and coaching nous to cover most of the points you listed. For all of his failings he did kick 107 goals in the last 4 seasons. That's a big plus for any team.

 

[tigs2010]

Yep exacly what they said after the 2012 GF.

Yep agreed. With Ty's defensive pressure and HO to adv. I can see the Hawks as flag faves.

 

[partycorolla]

Think back to late 2015 and the way he played then. He was one of our best players and inexplicably got dropped for the EF. He showed more then than a lot of DH favs have shown since. Again, give him a crack at it when fully fit and he will justify Pick 6. Kid can play.

He wasn't pick 6 was he? I think he was 11 or 12 or something. Needs to develop a tank (sub rule worked against him) and workrate. Great goal sense and ripper hands.... heart? Maybe questionable.

 

[tigs2010]

Would do this deal with Sydney for Nank.

Shane Edwards, 42, 60

FOR

Toby Nankervis, 35, 53

Is he actually any good?

 

[Mall Grab]

I never said we didn't, I was just pointing out a lot of people said the Hawks were cooked after the 2012 GF.

I'm pretty sure there's a board for you to talk up your cooked team and this isn't it

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

I can remember 2 games.

Carlton round 1 this year he was the difference.

 

[partycorolla]

Carlton round 1 this year he was the difference.

Thought Lloyd stood up in that one....

 

[TazHawk15]

Yep agreed. With Ty's defensive pressure and HO to adv. I can see the Hawks as flag faves.

No but if the Hawks snare JOM and Mitchell and get Roughie back and Ty to take some pressure of Gunston we will be in the picture.

I was just pointing out the Hawks are far from cooked.

 

[Danog]

Is he actually any good?

Edwards is garbage in finals, so not like we'd be giving up a ton.

His last 4 games of the year, playing as 2nd ruck:

Round 19: 9 touches, 3 marks, 12 hit-outs, 6 tackles, 1 behind
Round 20: 14 touches, 2 marks, 19 hitouts, 3 tackles
Round 21: 15 touches, 2 marks, 24 hitouts, 3 tackles, 1 goal 1 behind
Semi-final: 15 touches, 1 mark, 16 hitours, 1 tackle

Not bad for a 22 year old ruckman

 

[Slipps]

Haha hartlett is staying now...

 

[Tiger71]

I never said we didn't, I was just pointing out a lot of people said the Hawks were cooked after the 2012 GF.

nobody cares so piss off please

 

[TazHawk15]

I'm pretty sure there's a board for you to talk up your cooked team and this isn't it

No problem.

 

[Punt rd end]

 

[Tiger71]

Awesome

 

[Caveman68]

I don't mind you sticking up for Lennon, but don't be blind to his faults.

Never said he didn't have faults. I just think he is a whipping boy and needs a good run at it.

 

[TigermanM2]

Yes. I remember many times that he has kicked the match winning or match sealing goal.

Not sure about winning goal but take away his 3 in the first game of the season this year and we would have been stuffed.

 

[Slipps]

No one wants the prick

 

[Punt rd end]

Thought Lloyd stood up in that one....

I thought it was Lambert in the 2nd half 28 pos for the game

 

[CDixonthenet]

6 for Steele and 15
15 for Prestia

Happy days

You're welcome

 

[TigermanM2]

This will be reported as Hartlett knocks back Richmond when the truth could be that we knocked him back.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Hawthorn are done.

No Franklin
No Roughead
Possibly no Breust
No Lake
No Hale
No Hill
33 yo Hodge
33 yo Mitchell
33 yo Gibson
31 yo Lewis

Straight sets and chasing Vickery. They're on the way out.

 

[Capitano_Cotch]

Hartlett staying at Port.
Everyone can breathe now.
Although I must admit, I wouldn't have minded seeing him in the Yellow and Black.
I rate him pretty highly.
Will be interesting to see if we pursue someone else now of a higher calibre.
It's looking like Prestia and that's it at this stage of proceedings.

 

[Caveman68]

He wasn't pick 6 was he? I think he was 11 or 12 or something. Needs to develop a tank (sub rule worked against him) and workrate. Great goal sense and ripper hands.... heart? Maybe questionable.

Yep 12. Sorry. Agree about his attributes. Does need to build up a tank. That should come with time and match fitness.

 

[Groupie_]

No but if the Hawks snare JOM and Mitchell and get Roughie back and Ty to take some pressure of Gunston we will be in the picture.

I was just pointing out the Hawks are far from cooked.

JOM will be lucky to get through the 1st week of pre season can't see him playing