List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Discussion (cont in Pt 2)

[StCicatriz]

Without being a smartass, both.

He's far too valuable to be an inside player for them when they have Oliver, Viney, Jones, Tyson all capable of getting the footy.

Now that Watts has left I think he'll play even more as a forward this year especially with Hogan coming off pretty much a year off.

We're moving beyond your initial point but I don't ever see him being a full time mid, his agility is even worse now and his endurance is piss poor.

He's a very dangerous forward who can absolutely smash it in the middle at bursts.

you have to remember that oliver wasnt at the club at that point. tyson was still very green and was pretty damn vanilla. viney also very green but full of promise, needed someone to team up with him. i think you are looking at what the picture is now as opposed to what was happening that saw him drafted.

the commentary at the time wasnt that melbourne needed this guy to be a gun HFF. he was drafted because he was this full time bull of an inside mid who could burst through the stoppage and also be effective forward (based on his champs the year before). he wasnt spending him his time up forward and pinch hitting in the midfield like he had been doing in his underage year. he was a full time mid and was drafted as such. the knock on his endurance was a big talking point that year, hence the LOLs we all had when he did his first time trial at melbourne and looked like he was about to die. if you go back and listen to todd viney during the 2014 draft, it was all about getting the two big bodied inside mids

i think melbourne will be unhappy if petracca finishes his career as a half forward as thats not what theyve drafted him for and its not what they need. they're building a future around oliver, viney and petracca in there. this big bodied midfield that drifts fwd.

remembering that jones is 29, so his midfield minutes/effectiveness should start to fall off from here.

 

[Marlo]

I think we'll take Naughton if none of our top 5 rated mids are left.

If we think the 4-5 mids we give a massive chance (say, 70-75%+) to play 200+ games are gone, and the next lot of mids we see more of a 15-35% probability, we'll happily pick Naughton if we rate him as an 80% chance to make it.

I can't see Freo and Collingwood passing on him. Looks like a stand up kid with a big scope for improvement on top of his seemingly already B+ level AFL ability (in reference to his age of course).

 

[aussierulesrules]

Im not trawling through 3 year old posts but there was very much a split between paddy and petracca. It was the last couple of weeks before draft where this place was on the petracca bandwagon mostly but it certainly shifted back and forth.

Care to produce that herald sun article too?

I'm not talking about what preferences were on here, where most of us have minimal knowledge, I and I'm sure Gringo were talking about the general consensus view amongst the general football community that was being reported in the media, and that was coming from those on BF/draft websites and so-on who follow the U18's really closely and do the mock drafts seriously.

For instance, here is a comment from Terry Wallace about it. I know that he gets bagged and all that, but he follows the U18's far closer than most, worked side-by-side with National Talent manager Shifter Sheahan on their weekly draft show on ch.9 (where they met and interviewed both Paddy and CP) and who would be talking to those who recruit and scout for the clubs:

“I always do phantom drafts and that year I could not believe St Kilda picked him ahead of Christian Petracca,’’ Wallace said. “I could not believe with the power Petracca had, where he sat, I thought comfortably Petracca was the No.1 in the national draft.’’

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...1/news-story/7007c416c97132b0b4a7a44deb27c93a

This sort of view is certainly my memory of what the general consensus pretty much was in the last few months leading up to the draft, until I reckon we leaked that we would draft Paddy a week or so before the draft, just to give everyone a bit of time to digest the idea that we weren't going to take the guy that so many thought was a relative no-brainer to be taken first.

Paddy was seen as the one most widely expected to go at no.1 early in the season, but then he started to get some niggling injuries and by say the time of the champs, mid year, he was unfit, overweight and his performances underwhelmed there, by which time Petracca was killing it consistently in the midfield (after having kicked 40+ goals in his underage year up forward) and from pretty much that point on, CP was the one that most were expecting to go no.1- as he went from strength to strength, while Paddy never really got going again, and by the end of the season his skin-folds were around 80.

In a lot of ways it was similar to the Darcy Fogarty situation this year, where he was widely spoken about as a strong chance to go no.1 early in the year, before starting to really struggle due it seems to injury, and who really underwhelmed at the champs, as a result.

And no, I don't have the 3 year old article on me, but I certainly remember reading it at the time (from memory the day after the draft) and I've seen it referred to numerous times by others online since.

 

[sunny3193]

Of the three delisted players said to be training with us, Sam Collins, Tom Lamb and Will Fordham, All I know is that Lamb is Mini Coopers Grandson. Can anyone give us a run down on these three players? Although I believe it is unlikely we will take one of them going on previous years.

Barry, a question.
Excluding Nicky and the two currently, who are your favourite indigenous Saints?
I always loved watching Mr Smooth: Gilbert McAdam.

 

[gringo2011]

Wasn't billings rated as one of the best small/med fwds?

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I don't think so, he 171 in AFL rankings.

 

[borderbarry]

Of the three delisted players said to be training with us, Sam Collins, Tom Lamb and Will Fordham, All I know is that Lamb is Mini Coopers Grandson. Can anyone give us a run down on these three players? Although I believe it is unlikely we will take one of them going on previous years.

I have checked the three of them out, and none impresses me. I would stick to the draft.

 

[hayes]

Merrett and Crouch are the only misses that bother me. We still have Acres and Dunstan developing though.

I think the unfortunate thing is early on we focused on KPP players when now they're becoming less and less important every year.

I still think we'll be alright though. I'm confident Ross, Billings, Gresh, Steele and Sinclair will all be high level players with maybe Acres and Dunstan to join them. Then there's still pick 7,8 and Freeman as the unknowns if we can get at least two of them going we'll really be in business.

 

[borderbarry]

Barry, a question.
Excluding Nicky and the two currently, who are your favourite indigenous Saints?
I always loved watching Mr Smooth: Gilbert McAdam.

Sunny, Gilbert was brilliant, and so was Mad Dog, and Mad Dog Muir played more games for us, so I would give him the nod. Russell Jeffries was good too.

 

[sunny3193]

Sunny, Gilbert was brilliant, and so was Mad Dog, and Mad Dog Muir played more games for us, so I would give him the nod. Russell Jeffries was good too.

I’d forgotten about Russell, he played off the back flank if I recall correctly?
Mighty fine player, wished he’d had a longer career.
Mad Dog gets the vote based on excitement certainly, skill wise probably on a par with Gilbert.
But Muir was too volatile and unpredictable.
McAdam on the other hand, would just glide over the ground.
Grace and elegance.
Nicky Dal reminded me of him a lot.

 

[lewdogs]

Wouldn't surprise me at all of we take Naughton. He's a fantastic mark already; players like that are increasingly valuable.

 

[Cornish]

Gotta laugh at people with NFI slagging the club.

 

[Stewart66]

I'm not talking about what preferences were on here, where most of us have minimal knowledge, I and I'm sure Gringo were talking about the general consensus view amongst the general football community that was being reported in the media, and that was coming from those on BF/draft websites and so-on who follow the U18's really closely and do the mock drafts seriously.

For instance, here is a comment from Terry Wallace about it. I know that he gets bagged and all that, but he follows the U18's far closer than most, worked side-by-side with National Talent manager Shifter Sheahan on their weekly draft show on ch.9 (where they met and interviewed both Paddy and CP) and who would be talking to those who recruit and scout for the clubs:

“I always do phantom drafts and that year I could not believe St Kilda picked him ahead of Christian Petracca,’’ Wallace said. “I could not believe with the power Petracca had, where he sat, I thought comfortably Petracca was the No.1 in the national draft.’’

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...1/news-story/7007c416c97132b0b4a7a44deb27c93a

This sort of view is certainly my memory of what the general consensus pretty much was in the last few months leading up to the draft, until I reckon we leaked that we would draft Paddy a week or so before the draft, just to give everyone a bit of time to digest the idea that we weren't going to take the guy that so many thought was a relative no-brainer to be taken first.

Paddy was seen as the one most widely expected to go at no.1 early in the season, but then he started to get some niggling injuries and by say the time of the champs, mid year, he was unfit, overweight and his performances underwhelmed there, by which time Petracca was killing it consistently in the midfield (after having kicked 40+ goals in his underage year up forward) and from pretty much that point on, CP was the one that most were expecting to go no.1- as he went from strength to strength, while Paddy never really got going again, and by the end of the season his skin-folds were around 80.

In a lot of ways it was similar to the Darcy Fogarty situation this year, where he was widely spoken about as a strong chance to go no.1 early in the year, before starting to really struggle due it seems to injury, and who really underwhelmed at the champs, as a result.

And no, I don't have the 3 year old article on me, but I certainly remember reading it at the time (from memory the day after the draft) and I've seen it referred to numerous times by others online since.

Was all for Petracca after watching him improve throughout year ...Plough did not have Petracca as no 1
for a long time it was only his last month in TAC that he listed on record on Future Stars

But I was wrong ...think the recruiting team picked the right guy in Paddy , was taken with way this kid
engaged with his teammates both at Sandringham & St.Kilda is all about the “Team”, attitude 1st Class
Infectious demeanour,work ethic ,hope Hugh Goddard gets good run with preseason because he has it too.

 

[triggering bro]

http://m.afl.com.au/draft/draft-machine

Draft machine is finally up. Provides basic stats & bios as well as draft range.

 

[crasha301]

I don't think so, he 171 in AFL rankings.

Lol well thats just ridiculous

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[FlyingSledghamer]

Would not be happy with Naughton. His kicking action looks terrible, really high ball drop and he leans back alot. Hand passes off after marks because he has no confidence in his kicking.
Fair enough i'm a you tube highlights professional but.. ive seen enough.
And its not an urgent position of need.

 

[Verdun66]

Doing a lap of the outside plus Britain, Wales and Scotland.

Old persons tour.

Coming to Edinburgh?

 

[Barrels]

Coming to Edinburgh?

Is that five floor nightclub still going? Loved that place.

 

[Verdun66]

Is that five floor nightclub still going? Loved that place.

The only 5 floor nightclub thing I know of is in Singapore! Only lived here a few weeks although I have visited here plenty of times. Don’t know the nightclub place...,getting too old for that stuff! What is the place?

 

[Barrels]

The only 5 floor nightclub thing I know of is in Singapore! Only lived here a few weeks although I have visited here plenty of times. Don’t know the nightclub place...,getting too old for that stuff! What is the place?

Espionage. Great place.

 

[BrutThough]

The clubs PR machine will be put into overdrive if we take Naughton after publicly stating for months that we need elite, midfield talent.
Particularly because it would mean that we ignored our number one need of elite, midfield talent.

 

[Joffaboy]

Coming to Edinburgh?

Yep. Hoping to party with Renton, Sick Boy, Spud and Begby if he is on parole

 

[Verdun66]

Yep. Hoping to party with Renton, Sick Boy, Spud and Begby if he is on parole

Give me a shout. Don’t get to talk Saints too often!

 

[aussierulesrules]

Was all for Petracca after watching him improve throughout year ...Plough did not have Petracca as no 1
for a long time it was only his last month in TAC that he listed on record on Future Stars

But I was wrong ...think the recruiting team picked the right guy in Paddy , was taken with way this kid
engaged with his teammates both at Sandringham & St.Kilda is all about the “Team”, attitude 1st Class
Infectious demeanour,work ethic ,hope Hugh Goddard gets good run with preseason because he has it too.

Yeah I was massively on Petracca, as I just thought he had serious star potential and for mine there were just too many serious questionmarks and/or red flags re Paddy, to be spending pick 1 on him (the diabetes, the weight, the fact his style of lead-up FF worked well in the 80's and 90's, but is a lot less sure to work these days, etc), but one thing the clubs do have on us by the length of the straight is how they interview and perform in the psyche tests and so-on, and it seems pretty clear that Paddy won us over in a big way in this regard, while CP at a minimum came across as arrogant, and whoever we picked had to be able to handle all the hype and so-on of going pick 1, on top of all the other pressures etc of an AFL career.

So I reckon keen n that came into it a fair bit, just the general attitudes and personalities of the two, plus how much it would cost for us to get a Tom Boyd/Jeremy Cameron type in a trade.

Hopefully Hugh and Paddy get a good run at it from now on tho, as they are both way too talented to not have good AFL careers if they get the opportunity and they've both done it tough so far. If they both come on, we're right in business.

 

[PaddysurDaddy]

I saw petracca in carlton the other day. He was walking down the street just smiling at nothing. Pass.

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

I saw petracca in carlton the other day. He was walking down the street just smiling at nothing. Pass.

I saw paddy today having lunch on high st with some young chick...
I wasnt hiding in the bushes wearing sunglasses and a fake mustache.